Is anybody down to fuck?

Or we could just live things be.  

You're already at a disadvantage with that kind of a mindset, assuming you cant beat someone just because they play 50hz kind of makes you the pussy

@ndrew wrote on 03/29/22 at 16:24:30:


Tuov D. plays 50Hz, just entered the top 10 after playing for only 4 months, and he got both DKM WRs yesterday. Your point is?

Tuov Deez nuts in ur mouth lmao

Each day we stray further from Steve Jobs

What's so ridiculous about getting a time close to your PR on your first attempt? I don't think first try prs are that uncommon especially in the 50th-100th region.

I'm pretty sure that is skill transferring, which is to be expected. You are not going to play like you've just played the game for the first time just because you are on 50Hz. Also, his PR dates from december last year, when he was not yet in the top 100, so he definitely improved at the game since.

Parsimonian wrote on 05/07/22 at 18:50:52:


If you were playing for 30 minutes before its not really a first attempt.  

In 50hz you cant spam the stick like you can in 60hz, you have to hold your mts much longer. That's why you miss those mts.  

Good luck on your 50hz journey tho, you should beat your 60hz prs pretty soon if you continue.  

I just noticed this ridiculous thread... Are you guys for real?

7 of the top 10 players, and 16 of the top 20 (Aron even has a mixed timesheet) were done by 60hz players so the notion that 50hz players would dominate the PP is completely out of the window given that the game is now 18 years old.
It's entirely true that 50hz gives more leeway with racing lines but you guys do not realize the amount of MTs dropped because of misregistration. That's why the "extra MTs" are so hard to add on 50hz.

I will be in the very minority but there is no case against 50hz, unless you want to drive out players, which very much appears to be the underlying reason when reading most of the posts here.

You're literally expressing your opinion, not a fact. People have different opinions which is not what I'm arguing against.

What I'm arguing against is the sudden discontent with how the PP has been handled for over 18 years, now (lol) that people playing 60hz are the majority here.

I have also played both and chose to focus on 50hz because I had neither the time nor the patience to optimize both. Now that I have spent a fuckton of time improving my times, because like it or not, it is hard to PR whatever the Hz you're playing, imagine my surprise coming here reading that 50hz players should be banned from submitting further PRs or disregarding 50hz PRs in world rankings.

Sounds like you guys are trying to mold the PP into something that fits your agenda under the guise of making it "more fair", which is bullshit.

What are you on about lol I didn't say you were the one saying that. For the record here are the quotes I was referring to:

Parsimonian wrote on 01/14/22 at 20:42:41:


Max28 wrote on 02/23/22 at 17:22:32:


Goomba wrote on 02/14/22 at 11:21:08:


Which does not exactly look like an open discussion but more like a plea to get rid of 50hz.

Ultimarkh wrote on 05/10/22 at 09:59:43:


I'm not sure if the registration actually holds true because even though you have less frames per second, you don't need to do the same action you'd do in 60hz within a second of 50hz, so technically, you have the same amount of frames. There'd have to be someone technical looking into the aspects of 50hz and how inputs are registered, but on paper, there should be no difference in registration apart from that it's much easier to accidentally do a miniturbo too fast. I'm thinking of a test myself to look more into this

Also just because 60hz dominated the last years, doesn't mean 50hz can't get it back. That's survivorship bias and also would mean that nothing should be adjusted until it's "too late".

Again, I've said this over and over again, I personally have nothing against people who play 50hz or prefer it. But I do think that currently the combined chart is too dominant in current culture. Ofc I can just look at the 60hz charts, but mkwrs is combined, the news updates are fully in combined apart from when someone gets a hz record, and no one cares about 50/60hz performance until it gets pointed out by someone. So saying "just look at the green chart" makes sense but it's undermining the aspect of the community.

Something simple as a news update with Bobby Bobson #10 (#15) where #10 is hz rank, (#15) is combined (or the other way around, idc) would add a lot. mkwrs i can honestly forgive as it's always been against 50hz, but if 50hz does eventually take over then i'd get sad 60hz WRs would not have a history anymore.

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my god how many times do i have to say i dont want 50hz banned
literally the point of what im saying over and over is that I think combined has too much emphasis, and the reality is that combined should never be considered a fully fair comparison. Hence novelty
but clearly it's still worth a lot, to the community and to me personally as well, and 50hz doesn't realistically affect many people before top level, so comparisons make more sense before that level

So any changes in the players page is almost impossible without hitting the 50hz players. That doesn't mean I can't still argue that I find the comparison to be competitively unfair towards 60hz. That doesn't exclude that I don't want comparisons against 50hz.

I'm sick of having to explain myself over and over so this will be my last post in this thread.

@mf and community, 50Hz has the advantage definitely.

I edited this a few hours later to correct some things as best I could within my understanding.

I have edited this post several times now just to fix mistakes.

While I am NOT sure how big an advantage each 50Hz PR individually has over 60Hz PRs on RR it's about 1second per 2mins and 54seconds IGT difference. 50Hz has the advantage! This is a very rough calculation. I don't know how accurate or inaccurate it is. Appears to be roughly correct.

Shorter PRs to race are 'less' impacted by the hertz used but, any advantage based on playing 50Hz over 60Hz is an advantage and debatibally unfair because of AnyHz/Combined Hz.These are world rankings.

The more I think about it, I don't know what to do with AnyHz category. I would be in favor of scrapping it entirely to please others eventhough I don't mind it myself.

50Hz only mode SHOULD always remain as a competitive database to submit to. 50Hz competitors 'should' be allowed to continue to submit to 50Hz charts. It's 'not' reasonable for people to argue, "No more 50Hz submissions." Stopping 50Hz progress is wrong! The questions are what to do with AnyHz charts and MKDD!! score calculation for All Karts Combined.

I'd guess I am probably 5World Rankings higher because of 50Hz. This is to say, I'm #302 instead of maybe #307. While I don't have any maths to back this up, it would be something like that.

At my level, there's not much difference between 50Hz snd 60Hz on most tracks.

The very best competitors have an ENORMOUS disadvantage playing in 60Hz only. 60Hz only competitors at the very top level maybe top 20, let's say, are champions for besting 50Hz competitors at this very extremely elite level, 50Hz and 60Hz matters A LOT!!! Just because 60Hz WRs have mostly won at this point in time doesn't mean it's close to level playing field. 60Hz legends are simply more skilled/determined even at a HUGE disadvantage!!!

I have no idea what any of their lives look like so cannot speak about who has the most 'spare time' to play MKDD!! competitively but it's relevant that more spare time is an advantage also that cannot be accurately measured as no one knows how much spare time anyone has to compete. In general, 50Hz is heavily advantaged at the elite level. I am NOT in the top 20, nowhere near but understand 31 of my 32 PRs are better because of 50Hz. It's rare that one of my anyHz PRs is better in 60Hz, it was a fluke. 50Hz has a huge advantage at the very top.

I doubt there will be any changes made to the way the sites are run. If there were changes made, I'd recommend whichever Hz you perform better in is how your MKDD!! point score is calculated in All Karts Combined. Beating half the field nets you 0.301 points. It doesn't matter if you have the same rank in both 50Hz and 60Hz because it's based on percentage of domination and would use the hertz you did better in.

Personally, I think 60Hz is the more honorable way to compete eventhough I am very guilty of continuing to play 50Hz myself.

If people play 60Hz only it's a good thing. Competitors do have the right to play 50Hz as it is within the rules. Although 50Hz is a bit unfair, competitors can make suggestions for change or focus only on 60Hz rankings. The other option is to not compete if you really are that upset about it, (people in general).

I find it offensive suggesting no longer accepting 50Hz submissions as there's different categories of hertz to suit your competitive needs. Plus to take away one's right to improve one's PRs in 50Hz is unreasonable!!! In general, I know you never said this. You yourself submit to 50Hz mf.

The only two things I have an issue with are MKWRs website listing 50Hz records as WRs as they should be omitted and All Karts Combined using AnyHz to calculate percentage of domination for MKDD!!

Whether you think the advantage is big, small or somewhere in the middle, competition should be as fair as possible. AnyHz for All Karts Combined and listing 50Hz records as WRs is unfair objectively 'not' subjectively!!!