@max @stephen @andrew:

Personally if someone wants to play 50hz they should have all the right to do so and enjoy it, and be on a leaderboard. My biggest gripe with it is the fact that it gets directly compared to 60hz, and that combined is the only focus as of now.

As to where 50hz really starts impacting the game compared to 60hz, it's a difficult question. I think around the top 50 you can really see some results and especially at WR level. As to Andrew's claims, I think I could gain a lot of consistency / higher skill peaks with 50hz. Because MKDD isn't just solely muscle memory, it's reacting to exactly how your kart is positioned. You can watch any MK64 WR and see that PAL is more daring to stick closer to walls, because you have more time to properly adjust or search for that perfect angle. On top of that, it's obviously more lenient to do certain inputs like r-tech but we discussed this already

Currently we're at an insane position where you realistically can get both records in 60 and in 50, but that doesn't speak of the future where it's likely that 50hz just has more human potential.

I agree with what max said about the advantages of 50hz and how it can create an uneven playing field. It is not so much about being scared that 50hz is going to 'take over', but it's more that 60hz deserves to not have to compete with 50hz. And right now with combined being dominant, and mkwrs not having 60hz, it just doesn't feel like that's the case.

If people ranked lower than #50 or so feel like they're being partly shafted so to speak by being compared to 50hz, then it's a decent discussion to see what people would prefer. Again, unlike any other time 50hz vs 60hz has been discussed, we now know more than anything and are in a better position than ever to make a somewhat radical decision if necessary.

Lastly, I want to emphasize I have absolutely nothing against any 50hz player, be it Stephen, Mattilde, or anyone else. I'm happy to compete against Mattilde for example and see where we go, but I do not enjoy the specific 50hz competition.

Because I didn't read competitor's posts properly it took awhile for me to realise that no one or at least many are NOT trying to get new 50Hz PRs blocked from being updated at the lower levels.

I am sorry if I made it sound like everyone was attacking me. It wasn't my intention. I was trying to avoid naming specific people who were more likely and now have been rude to me, not everyone in this discussion. Sorry to Max28 and Goomba aa well as anyone else I accidentally might have made it sound like had intentions to personally attack me, I never thought either of you did. I misinterpreted other's posts and got scared to have my say.

Specifically I am afraid of some people on the forums NOT Goomba or Max28 plus many competitors are nice or neutral Very sorry to be so unclear about what I meant!

Part of my miscommunication is not reading the posts properly. The other parts are not knowing competitors very well or at all plus my Autism makes communication MUCH MORE difficult eventhough I am smart and speak fluently.

I often misinterpret and explain things inaccurately without realising it and only find out when people tell me or I work it out much later myself from reflecting a lot. By the time I grow my understandings much more accurately from reflection, conversations are truly over. I don't know when I understand and when I misinterpret basic conversation.

I never felt attacked by Max28 or Goomba or most of the community for this matter or ever. Sorry for being unclear!

It's not out of context, but I think my fundamental problem with it is it's very difficult to actually separate the 50 and 60hz records. Paricularly since they are the same exact times, as opposed to a pal/ntsc in mk64 where they have to be converted for example. Especially with how long the combined charts have stood for, this is has been the standard for a long time.

I find it hard to see how people won't compare the 50 and 60hz records, then discrediting the 60hz records if they are slower. But I could be wrong there.

It does sound like a nice idea if people fullly embraced the complete split though.

Max28 wrote on 02/24/22 at 11:41:37:

I find it tough to make a proper decision. On one hand, combined adds some players' incredible old feats and achievements that players can compete with and truly shine. On the other hand, it's technically an unfair fight that shouldn't be fully compared to regardless, no matter that it's the exact same time in the end.

I find everyone's viewpoints very interesting and it has swayed me to think of more alternatives to making 50hz and 60hz co-exist without either one being at a disadvantage. Though a proper flawless solution is tough to find for now


WAZZUPYOSHI wrote on 02/24/22 at 20:26:48:


Idk what you're on about but this 50hz discussion has been going on since the release of the game. The "meta" didn't change at all, it's just that for the first time ever 60hz outnumbered 50hz at top level, which allowed this discussion to even happen at all. I'm not calling for any ban either so while I understand you hate my guts, calm tf down

I'm not going to play 50hz because I think it's better. It's about fun, it's about what I think is how the game is supposed to be played, it's about me trying to compete on an even level playing field. That's why I play 60hz.

Idk how many times I need to say this but I'm solely talking about feeling forced to compete with 50hz because of the aforementioned reasons. To me, because of 50hz' advantages, it doesn't feel right. I'd argue this in mk64, I'd argue this in mkdd, I'd argue this in any game where there's a slower version. This has nothing to do with my position in the game or leaderboard.

LOL @ y'all trying to ban something that's built into the game and has been used by many players for nearly 20 years

mkwrs isn't the PP but it sort of took separate courses on some sites, is that the problem? lol

Also 50hz could use some work, rip best boi!

Also if one more person claims that I all of a sudden want 50hz banned or split or whatever just because Mattilde has beaten my DC flap (and MuC, RR obv), I don't know what to say.

I've made these exact same claims all the way from the beginning. I've not even started this discussion or thread, and yet just for opposing 50hz you guys are making up complete assumptions about my character, and my reasoning. It just deeply hurts me that people think like this and personally I'd like to think I've been very clear in saying that it's not about potentially losing records (especially since this didn't impact me when I joined), it's about the fun in competition to me.

i think having many community leaders in favour of 60hz is a great opportunity to encourage players to care more about system records rather than restructuring the PP and mkwrs.com, in my opinion

seems like the best and simplest way forward, and i think it would actually work as well

Goomba you are the best player in the world and I just don't understand why you're care so much about it when you easily crush the 50hz bitches. Once I was #1 I stopped caring about 50hz because I knew it can still be done in 60hz and that 60hz can still compete with 50hz. Be proud of your 60z superiority, and let the newbs play 50 if they want

You are the best mkdd player and playing in lovely 60hz, that's something to be proud of.  

Can't you just live replay the 50Hz ghosts in 60Hz or will they desync?

ban goomba  

Using comments made in 2010 when someone was 15 to destroy a 27 year olds arguments is peak Goomba. Love the research level, but no one cares dipshit. You're not as smart as you think, get off your high horse

I had a look at Mario Kart World Records website and I agree with many competitors, only 60Hz world records should be acknowledged on that site. Whether or not competitors are saying this, that's my opinion.

On MKDD!!PP I think it's fair to have 50Hz mode WRs and AF, 60Hz mode WRs and AF plus AnyHz WRs and AF.

I think MKDD!!PP has got this completely correct

I think the Mario Kart World Records website SHOULD exclude and discriminate against 50Hz World Records unless they are their own category and banned from comparison with 60Hz World Records on MKWRs website.

I don't think this MKDD!!PP should change a thing as the categories are PERFECT. They already acknowledge everything fairly

60Hz against 60Hz and 50Hz against 50Hz.

Those that don't like AnyHz shouldn't care too much as there's already 50Hz mode and 60Hz mode only charts/leader boards but on MKWRs it's unacceptable to say 50Hz world records count for anything since they have the advantage.

Eventhough it's irrelevant to me, one reason why I stopped 60Hz for awhile is because 50Hz is easier to get slightly better PRs. On MKWRs ONLY 60Hz WRs should count to be fair to 60Hz champions, Gods/Godesses, legends.

On MKDD!!PP It doesn't matter because 50Hz mode and AnyHz can be ignored if a competitor wants to only look at 60Hz only stats.

I think very top competitors SHOULD be allowed to earn 50Hz overall World Records but ONLY on this MKDD!!PP because there's also the option to ignore 50Hz WRs but on MKWRs website as far as I know, there's no option to ignore 50Hz WRs if they unfairly defeat 60Hz WRs.

It's NOT fair as 60Hz is a little harder and at top level, this shouldn't be ignored on the MKWRs website.

Again, different story on MKDD!!PP as there's different categories to look after everyone's competitive needs but on MKWRs it's very unfair to compare 50Hz WRs against 60Hz WRs