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A top player with no videos (Read 2282 times)
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Reply #25 - 05/30/21 at 11:37:42
 
I see your point Logan, and honestly I have to agree that you're right, recently I've probably pushed it a bit too far. The fact is, over the months you've been doing stuff that pisses me off, you don't mean to so I address it to you, and you apologize and promise to move forward, yet you immediately continue to do the same things, and I get even more pissed off. This is why I had to cut you off, and surely a big part of why you were banned from the MKDD server, you have a way of pushing my buttons. So there's my side of the story, but now for yours.

I can imagine you're in a pretty bad place since I cut you off and you were banned from the MKDD server, and you're trying desperately to get something back, and then I start this thread casting suspicion over your timesheet, now you need to at least keep your MKDD dignity. Unfortunately everything you've shown us seems to point to your times being illegitimate, there's already been a freeze request sent by the mods to Alex, and as you can see Max (mod of MKDS) is also on the freeze train, and I'm sure SMK, MK64, and MKSC will be soon to follow.

The fact of the matter is, your times *are* going to be frozen, and likely removed as well later on. There's nothing you can do to win back your dignity from cheating, honestly the best thing you can do is to come clean. Personally I've spent a lot of time and stress worrying about this, and I just want it to be over, so honestly I really would appreciate it (and I'm sure others would as well) if you would just stop wasting our time, and let us all have some peace.

I would really respect that

(Edit: I just remembered this whitegoose video which elaborates on what I said at the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBixhXBaHSM)
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Reply #26 - 05/30/21 at 12:15:36
 
I never liked uploading videos since I know people would judge my driving etc. I just wanted to play the game for enjoyment and didn’t want to deal with people essentially nit picking my runs. It’s very demotivating, and after having it happen in the past I decided I wanted to play more privately. But now I know that isn’t acceptable for where I am. I’ll record any times I get in the future. Ever since February I’ve been playing this game for all the wrong reasons. Not enjoying it and just wanting to reach goals in spite of certain people. I made a lot of friends over the past year playing and most have left me. I regret a lot of things I’ve done. I wish you the best of luck in the future
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Reply #27 - 05/30/21 at 14:08:43
 
MKW says LOL
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Reply #28 - 05/30/21 at 19:57:41
 
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Reply #29 - 05/30/21 at 21:03:48
 
I cheated.
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Reply #30 - 05/30/21 at 21:14:27
 
Logan Sacrey wrote on 05/30/21 at 21:03:48:
I cheated.

Any further explanation as to why and which way you did it?
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Reply #31 - 05/30/21 at 21:18:27
 
Not worth it. Remove my times if you want
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Reply #32 - 05/30/21 at 21:39:34
 
It's not whether we want to or not, you cheat, we remove the times. The community deserves an explanation. If any interaction you had with the community was genuine, we deserve it.
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Reply #33 - 05/31/21 at 00:32:22
 
Won't commend you for coming clean since you shouldn't have cheated in the first place but I guess thanks for not wasting people's time with this anymore.

I want to re-instantiate Robert's request to remove the "MKDD Canadian Champion" from your description as I believe it's insulting to anyone in Canada legitimately playing the game and perhaps to anyone in the world, flaunting a title that has never belonged to you like you have something on them.
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Reply #34 - 05/31/21 at 03:33:51
 
OptimisticEmo wrote on 05/30/21 at 21:39:34:
It's not whether we want to or not, you cheat, we remove the times. The community deserves an explanation. If any interaction you had with the community was genuine, we deserve it.



Alright, there are a few reasons why I decided to do what I did. First being that i thought being good at the game made you a better person. Which is completely wrong. Second, I didn’t want to look like I was slowing down. When I started doing things with the gct. Files I was in the higher 20s iirc. I wanted to still get prs every week like I always have just to keep up my image. I thought just by being highly ranked I could restore myself and what people thought of me.
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Reply #35 - 05/31/21 at 04:48:32
 
I am just expressing my points of view. Whether or not ppl agree with me, please don't attack or insult me.

First of all, I agree that Logan did the wrong thing. The community has the right 2 b angry and remove his times.

I don't know u at all Logan, while I don't trust u after this, plus we've barely chatted in the forums, just want 2 thank u 4 admitting and owning up 2 your mistake. Pretty quickly after being accused of cheating. I mean u owned up and took responsibility 4 your wrong fairly quickly no, actually very quickly incomparison 2 other cheaters who NEVER admit fault.

U seem like a nice person who did the wrong thing. While I think your times NEED 2 b removed, I think u owe yourself forgiveness 4 coming clean quickly after being caughtSmiley u don't seem like a bad person, just someone who suffers from poor self esteem.

Again, I hear multiple competitors in these gaming communities cheat who never come clean. I won't mention names.

As long as u learn from this moving on in life, I think u r a good personSmiley u seem kind, I mean all my words and wish u wellSmiley

Thanks 4 coming clean so the world rankings r more accurateSmiley

Thanks 4 being a good personSmiley

Regardless of your skill level, u seem niceSmiley

Robert said something about u being Titan level at best at WS. While it's by no means a WR or God standard, if your level of play is Hero or Titan, u r EXTREMELY talented mateSmiley

Plus, your confession took guts mate, a big WELL DONESmiley

B kind 2 yourself and learn moving forwardSmiley

I wish u the bestSmiley
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Again, pls don't attack me anyone. I have a right 2 my opinionsSmiley I acknowledge Logan did wrong and needs his PRs removed!
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Reply #36 - 05/31/21 at 04:57:43
 
Thank you for the kind words Stephen. I know now why I did what I did and what I need to change going forward. It’s definitely better for me to learn the hard way. I’m still young and have a lot of road ahead of me, which will be a good road from now on.
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Reply #37 - 05/31/21 at 05:02:33
 
U r welcomeSmiley

All the very best mateSmiley

Good on u 4 moving forward, it takes a gr8 deal of courageSmiley
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Reply #38 - 05/31/21 at 05:16:46
 
not going to pretend like I know MKDD at all, but cheating gets you nowhere and this is proof of that. Just gotta be honest with people Logan. I’m glad you admitted to it, but going behind everyone’s backs for months (or however long it was) goes against everything the players page stands for. It will probably take years to earn peoples trust back, if ever.
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Reply #39 - 05/31/21 at 05:24:42
 
I understand fully
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Reply #40 - 05/31/21 at 05:49:24
 
People have lost their titles, records, ranks, and their trust. The leaderboards have been inaccurate for a long time now because of this. It's fucking disgusting and pathetic.
I want to specify that doing this isn't just because of community pressure, because the community doesn't shame you for slowing down the higher ranking you get, nor does it shame you regardless for not getting PRs. To continuously cheat is a terribly selfish move and it's a straight up insult to the community, and your own skillset and beliefs.
Cheaters always will have their reasons, but it also always comes down to thinking more about themselves than anything or anyone else, even their closest friends.

As to Logan: Thank you for admitting it, though it did take until you got pressured all the way for you to do so. God knows how many times you've said you "understand" or "will change" only for the opposite to happen. You've heavily disappointed and even enraged many with your cheating, rather than just playing the game like everyone else does and should. I'm not familiar with the rulings, but other Players Pages have all the right to refuse service to a cheater and remove your times there as well (as they should).

I like to think that this is such a grave mistake that you can't help but change, and as I've also said to you before, you're still young and got time to change. But fucking do it and don't ever cheat again, for the sake of communities, but also yourself. It's better to learn it like this as you've said before, the hard way.
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Reply #41 - 05/31/21 at 07:15:17
 
Hey Logan

I remember when you passed me, and in a vc you asked me "how does it feel to get passed by me"

Feels bloody amazing now, get fucked nerd
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Reply #42 - 05/31/21 at 08:03:38
 
I agree with you Mike. I got caught up and did the wrong thing. Then instead of admitting when I started or just beat the times legit and then quit. I kept the train going because I didn’t think I’d get caught. If I had been somewhat wiser I would’ve gotten away with it too. So I hope you can use my situation to better equip for any future issues such as this. You obviously know what to look for now so keep it up. I want to say a final good luck to all of you.
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Reply #43 - 05/31/21 at 08:10:48
 
Logan Sacrey wrote on 05/31/21 at 08:03:38:
If I had been somewhat wiser I would’ve gotten away with it too.



tf you wouldn't get away with anything, you're literally saying this in a thread that started with you being suspicious not having any videos
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Reply #44 - 05/31/21 at 14:09:54
 
I should’ve written the last statement more carefully. I was at work and busy, but I’m home now. My reason for saying that was just to signify to the community that it is definitely possible there are people slipping through the cracks. I already know my punishments and everything. I want my situation to be used as a learning tool. I hope the community can detect any others who have the same bad intentions that I had.
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Reply #45 - 05/31/21 at 14:47:19
 
Surely you realize you couldn't have kept getting away with this forever?  Eventually people will get curious and want to see videos of these alleged times. This is an active community and it's standard for top players to have videos, even if just a few.  I'm just trying to understand how you think you thought you could have possibly gotten away with this.
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Reply #46 - 05/31/21 at 14:56:37
 
I don’t even want to think about it. It’s something that has been going on for a long time and that should’ve either never happened or should’ve been ended immediately. If anyone has more questions just contact me privately please. I know I’ve done a lot of harm to this community, but I ask for peace. I’ve beaten myself up enough on this situation already. But I understand how enraged most are. I apologize for my actions, it was silly to think that being higher ranked than someone made you better than them. Right now any player on those charts is a better human than me. Good luck to everyone.
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Reply #47 - 05/31/21 at 16:59:13
 
I really don't know why you're presenting yourself as some kind of martyr when you just got caught cheating. The only thing you did was show at least some respect for the community by admitting although already pushed into a corner far enough. The fact that there was this kind of suspicion going on would've put you in a horrible spot if you didn't, and it's not like we wouldn't have been able to figure out that you'd desperately be trying to get better to catch up to your supposed new level.

Your situation isn't a learning tool or moment for the community to detect cheaters, as we already used the same knowledge we had to pressure you. The only thing that could happen from this situation is a potential cheater seeing this and thinking he can do better and get away with it.

You can ask for peace all you want but I sure wouldn't try and look for it in this very community, especially not at this moment. And that's not even for just the cheating -- There's many accounts of people being upset with how you behaved or, for example, rudely responded to their PRs. To use that as an excuse of your own not to upload video -- I really don't know what you were thinking trying to play that off.

Again, I'm glad you admitted to it, but there's really no way to give a positive spin to this situation.


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Reply #48 - 05/31/21 at 17:19:24
 
I mean yeah you’re right. I can’t say much now so I guess I’ll leave this situation.
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Reply #49 - 05/31/21 at 18:09:05
 
Goomba wrote on 05/31/21 at 16:59:13:
I really don't know why you're presenting yourself as some kind of martyr when you just got caught cheating. The only thing you did was show at least some respect for the community by admitting although already pushed into a corner far enough. The fact that there was this kind of suspicion going on would've put you in a horrible spot if you didn't, and it's not like we wouldn't have been able to figure out that you'd desperately be trying to get better to catch up to your supposed new level.

Your situation isn't a learning tool or moment for the community to detect cheaters, as we already used the same knowledge we had to pressure you. The only thing that could happen from this situation is a potential cheater seeing this and thinking he can do better and get away with it.

You can ask for peace all you want but I sure wouldn't try and look for it in this very community, especially not at this moment. And that's not even for just the cheating -- There's many accounts of people being upset with how you behaved or, for example, rudely responded to their PRs. To use that as an excuse of your own not to upload video -- I really don't know what you were thinking trying to play that off.

Again, I'm glad you admitted to it, but there's really no way to give a positive spin to this situation.




Quoted for the truth.  Wink

There is no lesson to be learned here, other than maybe the site isn't strict enough about proof.
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