Hey guys. It's not often these days that I make a topic or even post here, but I noticed something today which caught my eye.

So basically, I saw Terrence Fenner back on the leaderboards again, even though he got banned from all MK time trial sites due to being caught cheating and lying about times. Yet he's back on the site like nothing happened. So I was wondering: what made the sudden change of mind?

This is nothing personal against you Terrence, in case you read this. I was just really confused how our community is so delusional to give people countless "second chances". I know people can change, I know you can prove yourself, but once you lied about something, there'll always be this cloud hanging over you that's putting you in a bad light.

I've entered a few other bigger communities in the last 2 years, I have seen how they handle cheaters and liars. There's no second chance, there's no going back. Instant ban. Lying about times and especially SUBMITTING times on a site based on trust is something that I think is not tolerable (I am looking at you Diogo mister "Goal times", who surprisingly is also still on the mkdd charts ). I know there's moments people joke about beating a time, but if you declare that as a joke immediately that's something else. If you actually want people to believe your "fake" time, that's a completely different story.

You might think now: "But Chris, those 'cheaters' are not even in the top100, who cares about them?" I tell you something. No matter where they are ranked, it still takes the charts' credibility. Forgot about that one guy "Holy Moly" probably. Yeah the guy who actually spliced his SM64 run. "But Chris, that's a completely different game! How would he cheat his mkdd times?", Well, I am not certain if the people who faked times in other games actually did it in MKDD aswell, but you can be sure that this is a kind of behaviour to impress people. And if you ask me, if this happened in another game, I am damn sure they at least tried once to pull this off in another game.

I am actually really angry about this. This is not something to give others a free boost or anything, this is to give the people that compete for those ranks a credible site with credible times to believe. Like, why the fuck do you have to Alex videos and a timescroll of your times while some people cheated, are on the site and they never even get asked for proof? This is a question of trust, and some players kicked this morale with both feet, stomped on it and never even regretted it seems. "Hey you cheated and we know about it, but let's get you back on our site!", like what the hell man.

WS time liars are the same here. We once erased a few times off the charts that seemed highly suspicious, people who had way stronger WS times than their actual timeset. Sure, there are course specialists, but it can't be a coincidence that there were more than 10 people who are suddenly ws course specialists that end up 600 ranks higher there. For me this would have been an instant removal, but who am I to ask.

This is the same shit as Elliot Maynes and Myles in MK64, confusing how a guy who lied about DKJP sc times got banned from the site because he was barely known and Myles, the savior and hero of the N64 games still hasn't been removed, even though he obviously spliced runs. Just because he's been a credible member of the site for so long? Is that the reason that keeps you from removing the times? He got videos for pretty much any of his times, but hell, do you know if those runs might be save stated somehow? I know I accuse a lot of stuff here, but it's just something that I had to get off, because it frickin riled me.

Why is this community so fucking blind to see this?

It does indeed reflect poorly on the community. Cheaters should be banned, and their times erased, simple as that.

We shouldn't be afraid of being seen as too strict, stern or whatever. Rules are meant to be followed, otherwise it's the open gap for everyone to squeeze into.

Full support to Chris here

At this point, I completely agree. People shouldn’t be trying to compete with potentially cheated times. It’s super unfair to the players.

I read the whole story and I am so appalled of what's going on. I never cheated on MKDD and if I did, I never intended to do that. Let me tell you something:
I know I made a stupid decision to post some fake PRs (KB1 flap 8"57?) on SMK, fucked on MKSC and MKDS. But I never cheated on MK64, MKDD, or MKW/7/8 whatsoever!

I mean seriously, I didn't even touch MK7, MK8 or MKW
I played them all and I never cheated MK7, MK8, MKW, MKDD, or use game genie on SMK/MKSC/MK64. As for MKDS, I just use a code for having the race start the same as Replay because I wanted to get good footage instead of me recording replay PRs

It's been since mid 2006 and the only thing changed for me was my video proof.
I made proof throughout the years...may have some burns (i.e 2017? blindfold MK64, MKSC 2011 scandal and the "Fenner CDM development hell since 2016") ... and now I got removed on MKDD for past experiences on SMK, MKSC and MKDS? You guys are cold hearted, for real...I changed

It feels like I'm the Scrappy Doo of this community, homies. Real talk

Fenner,

Your pass digressions will always haunt you.  It is how handle yourself in challenging situations that will define your character.  What you say in this post will determine your status in this community.  Choose your words wisely and good luck.

"all I did was cheat multiple times on multiple games up until very recently, and some of it was only sort of cheating! Why arnt I allowed on the MKDD site you're all extremely wrong"

Eric Olden wrote on 05/26/20 at 17:32:51:


Fenner has gotten more "second chances" than anyone else in the history of our community, and he has invariably blown every single chance he was given. It's also abundantly clear that nothing has changed in his behavior based on his post in this topic alone. My personal highlight is that he claimed to have never cheated in MK64, then proceeded to mention a time when he cheated in MK64.

Anti-Hitler wrote on 05/26/20 at 13:31:57:

Anti-Hitler wrote on 05/26/20 at 13:31:57:


I see that Penev has removed Fenner from the MKDD rankings, which is great. But what about other known cheaters that are still there? Here are some cases that I'm aware of (and which were mentioned at least in part by Chris in the opening post):

- Holy Moly was caught having spliced an SM64 16-star run from October 2005. You may want to dismiss this because of how old it is, but keep in mind that this was from right around the time he was active in MKDD. In addition, he was only caught because he went out of his way to brag about having held the "WR" 12 years later in a comment on Cheese's then-WR 120-star video. See this Reddit post for more details.

- Diogo sent in fake times to several PPs, including for MK7 where he was champ at the time. While I don't have a source on hand for the exact discussion where he got caught, these "goal times" were made infamous by the scandal when they were revealed during KC2018. It was explicitly announced in this post.

- Aslinger joined the MKDD community Discord server on March 23, 2019 and, after receiving some advice on WS flap, claimed to have improved from a 31"1 to a 30"749 within a span of three hours. You may think that they had erroneously assumed that the SC was allowed, but that was absolutely not the case. They very explicitly and deliberately lied about having used the SC, and only confessed after having exhausted all of their options to attempt to fool the community. You can find a complete copy of the relevant chat log by clicking here.

It should be obvious at this point, but to be clear: I think that all of these cheaters should be banned from the Players' Page.

SparksF1 wrote on 05/27/20 at 02:12:22:

Honestly, I'm not going to any live meet since you don't want me on ANY MK PP Sorry...

Quote:

Whoa whoa whoa...I never cheated in MK64.

Chrono Krysster II wrote on 05/27/20 at 00:21:38:

To be honest, I don't understand you at all It's gonna take a miracle to understand you guys because honestly...I'm speechless

Zarkov wrote on 05/26/20 at 23:05:48:

I lost of words on that lie
This situation reminds me of this bullshit here - https://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1150222442/15#15

Chrono Krysster II wrote on 05/27/20 at 09:13:44:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MZD2YLcKL8
this is just my reaction to all this (and I'm Tupac on that vid)

nuff said

I'm not going to say the opposite, you are indeed crazy Terrence (and I don't really care about that) but you don't give a fuck about us and that's the main problem with you, do you really think that you will play with Sami and Alex (for example) and to keep having your PRs updated then removed from the PPs, again and again and again, please tell me how disrespectful is this to the community?!

And fyi 2Pac lived a short life but in fame, you'll live longer but in darkness.

@ndrew wrote on 05/27/20 at 12:56:39:


If my calculations are correct, when this T-Man hits eighty-eight chances per decade... you're gonna see some serious shit

So you freely admit to cheating on at least 6 separate occasions. And you wonder why you're being removed? Lmao you're hilarious Fenner. You need to go sell some more units.

I have to say Fenner, I was not expecting you to admit to cheating over 6 times.  You are delusional if you think that level of conduct can just be written off. Not only that but you are arrogant and entitled if you think that we should allow your times on the site after that confession.