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Reply #150 - 04/04/20 at 15:38:05

no control wrote on 04/04/20 at 15:14:32:

Since you obviously believe PAF, who was your buddy Zwiebel?

Zwiebel wrote on 04/04/20 at 14:51:09:

At this point, everyone should claim. Keeping info ter yourself at this point is probably pointless, we know a lot already so we might as well go full out to solve everythung. I'm not really telling what my maf role was, because if PAF for some reason is lying then I would be stupid to tell if I was minion or wolf

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There's my answer friend. I'm not 100% sure about PAF so I will not go all out until I at least know all other claims

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You should all listen to Timur. He's an onion.

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Reply #151 - 04/04/20 at 15:49:07

Shock wrote on 04/04/20 at 06:30:53:

LewisRichards wrote on 04/04/20 at 06:01:02:

Okay, TvK is lying glad I didn't go to sleep yet lol. I'm seer, I checked 2 reserve roles and saw tanner and mason, that's why I wanted to see what zoran would say and also why I said I didn't think there was a neutral in the paf tvk interaction.

I think zoran was only waiting to full claim in case someone else happened to claim mason

Oh boy this is juicy

TYG is telling the truth. I'm Doppelgänger, so of course I went after Leone. Leone was Robber, so I RNG'd who to rob and rolled TYG. I saw TYG's Seer role, making me Seer right now and TYG Robber. However TYG got to See stuff of course even though I robbed him first and he was technically Robber as he performed the Seer Night action.

That means TvK is lying, and we can believe Tanner and Mason are in the reserve right now, unless there's some deep fake play going on here.

Leone robbed Zoran who is Mason then, and Zoran didn't see any other Masons.

So I'm Seer right now, TYG is Robber, Leone is Mason, Zoran is Mason, and Tanner and Mason are in the reserve. However, this means TM is probably in play so one of us may have been switched still.

Is there anyone else who has even the slightest amount of doubt about Shock's claim? This post was made right after TYG counterclaimed my seer claim. He just took every claim so far (TYG and Leone) and he just fit them in his story. First of all, how big is the chance that only two roles he can confirm happen to be among the first 4 roles claimed? Second of all, are we really going to expect Shock to not take the mathematically more interesting option of looking at 2 cards in the middle rather looking at Leone. It gets more interesting knowing for sure that Leone lied about at least part of his claim. And ofcourse, TYG being online and immediately jumping at the first opportunity of gamesolving, made it like everyone thought "oh wait this confirms so many townroles, we'll just go with it".

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P.A.F.625 King Offline helped 3923 people Portugal Gender:	Re: ONUW2 - Quarantine Boogaloo DAY PHASE Reply #152 - 04/04/20 at 16:03:02 Zoran already had pointed out how that was the easiest claim to make. Assuming you're to believe, then... yes he's suspicious. And you're saying Leone lied about Zoran being mason? (worth noting you messed up the roles, Shock was Dop and copied the robber, never had a chance at looking at the reserve roles lol)
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P.A.F.625 King Offline 3923 days karting Portugal Gender:	Re: ONUW2 - Quarantine Boogaloo DAY PHASE Reply #153 - 04/04/20 at 16:10:26 Don't you think that if Leone isn't town it would imply neither is Zoran, due to Leone's claim? Which in turn would mean I swapped two w-aligned...
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Reply #155 - 04/04/20 at 16:31:57

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Is there anyone else who has even the slightest amount of doubt about Shock's claim? This post was made right after TYG counterclaimed my seer claim. He just took every claim so far (TYG and Leone) and he just fit them in his story. First of all, how big is the chance that only two roles he can confirm happen to be among the first 4 roles claimed?

I don't think it's that unlikely that Robber and Seer are among the first roles claimed. You said it yourself, this confirms a lot of Village which narrows down the Wolf team by POE. Why would I not say something after seeing everything line up like that so well? Also if I were lying about all this, then I would have fully committed myself to trusting TYG's claim and would have been in deep shit if TYG revealed the double fake. Wolf!me would have had plenty more time to think about a claim (and you can see B.Ray and K-9 *still* haven't claimed).

In your haste to put heat/attention away from Zwiebel/Zoran you didn't get how Dopp -> Robber works correctly.

I don't think this will change my opinion of you being Minion; all we really need to do is find the correct person to shoot between Zwiebel and Zoran and we win. To that end:

B.Ray. K-9. It's TIME TO CLAIM.

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Reply #156 - 04/04/20 at 16:36:19

LOL Sorry but I just had this idea.
One thing on favor of Shock is no-one countered is Dop claim. But what if he IS Dop and copied a wolf/minion? Then there could be 4 w-aligned, in this case they'd be Shock, Leone, Zoran and Zwiebel. And they've managed to fit their claims perfectly, but would that be so hard? One's claim would signal the others.

Of course, there's always Occam's razor: it's still more likely TvK is bullshitting.

NOW I'm out.

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Reply #157 - 04/04/20 at 16:42:46

P.A.F.625 wrote on 04/04/20 at 16:36:19:

LOL Sorry but I just had this idea.
One thing on favor of Shock is no-one countered is Dop claim. But what if he IS Dop and copied a wolf/minion? Then there could be 4 w-aligned, in this case they'd be Shock, Leone, Zoran and Zwiebel. And they've managed to fit their claims perfectly, but would that be so hard? One's claim would signal the others.

Of course, there's always Occam's razor: it's still more likely TvK is bullshitting.

NOW I'm out.

Hah, yeah... took me a minute to see it, but I guess that's a possibility from your perspective. Now I wish that were true because that would be sick Grin

But it's not just Occam's razor; if TvK WERE solo Mason, Mason!TvK would have failed to point out Leone's claim that he robbed Mason, and instead Mason!TvK went and fake claimed Seer. He only went back to softclaiming Mason when the fake Seer claim fell apart.

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TvK NinjaTvK Offline helped 5510 people Belgium Gender:	Re: ONUW2 - Quarantine Boogaloo DAY PHASE Reply #158 - 04/04/20 at 16:43:56 Yeah sorry for messing up the role that Shock "robbed", my bad. Also, it's perfect that you think I'm Minion. If that's the case, than Zoran now 100% confirmed has Zwiebel's Werewolf role without any doubt of him being Minion. We all vote him and it's GG.
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WAZZUPYOSHI Elite Offline Fuck off. seen 2536 mj vids Central New Jersey Gender:	Re: ONUW2 - Quarantine Boogaloo DAY PHASE Reply #159 - 04/04/20 at 16:44:17 "Let TYG and Wazz gamesolve for us" LOL good one. I think we should all role-claim if we haven't by now? Skimmed over what happened today so kinda out of what's happening rn. Makes sense now since we'll have more info going into tomorrow. Shock seems slightly sus, K-9 seems pretty out of it, everyone else idk.
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Reply #160 - 04/04/20 at 16:47:39

PAF is right, @TvK: shock never had an opportunity to look at cards in the middle as Doppelganger. To be honest I am sus of him but until you give quality information you look worse rn since you have less backup. Is it fair to say you don't trust the Zoran/Leone Mason thing? I honestly find it a bit sus as well. Zoran never confirmed that Leone was telling the truth he just said he gathered a lot of info but never said what that was. It would be nice if there is a Mason or robber out there if he could bring light to this situation. TvK do you believe PAF switched Zweibel and Zoran?

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Reply #162 - 04/04/20 at 17:00:51

There are some claims I believe that I will call out for being bullshit to protect their integrity and there are multiple ones that I don't believe but that I will leave untouched hoping wolves will believe them too. I've said everything I wanted to say so far about the current claims so it's time to hear the next round of claims.

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Reply #163 - 04/04/20 at 17:12:16

Yee brian this is a bit ridiculous that you haven't claimed yet lol + that you've seemed to be torn on who to believe between tvk and me lol

TvK saying he did that to start discussion but the first thing he did was take 45 minutes to respond then double down

K9 kinda pisses me off, his claim could be some big info SO IF YOU'RE READING THIS CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US YOUR ROLE

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Reply #164 - 04/04/20 at 18:05:03

I want confirmation from PAF that Zwiebel and Zoran was his official swap and he didn't just say that to stir up some shit. then I will be more than happy to claim since i'll know what team I'm on. I believe PAF is TM. I hope he would tell me the truth in this case since I think i've been pretty damn helpful getting conversations going.

The reason I haven't claimed yet is I'm not 100% on this whole Shock/TYG/Zoran/Leone thing. There are things I still don't understand. Like why did Zoki say he trusted TvK in the beginning? How convenient is it that TYG doesn't know the one spot that Wazz picked (33%)? When has Leone claimed the entire truth at the beginning of any game ever? And to be honest people pushing for my claim when they"know TvK and Zweibel are wolves" is quite suspicious. The goal is not to find all the wolves, it is to make sure we kill one...not the minion.

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Reply #165 - 04/04/20 at 18:18:17

If we all think this way, we'll be at a standstill until the deadline arrives. If you turn it around, why would PAF reveal anything more before he hears your claim? How do you expect Shock to suddenly come out and say "hey guys my actual claim is x" if he doesn't first get additional information from your claim?

If you're really dead set on not revealing anything, what do you think of Zwiebel's post right after he heard he was one of PAF's targets for switching? The only thing he said was:

Zwiebel wrote on 04/04/20 at 12:46:14:

lol hahan

zoran is maf

He didn't even specify anything else. Not Zoran is Minion, nor Zoran is WW. Was this a bait from him to see Zoran's reaction? In which scenario does originaltown!Zwiebel say this? If Zwiebel was originally a WW, what does that say about Zoran's original role? They can't both be WW, because they would still lose. Minion!Zwiebel could say that, but why wouldn't he double down on insisting he was WW?

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Reply #166 - 04/04/20 at 18:18:35

Well paf already went to sleep so you're not getting that answer anytime soon and his claim seemed legit to me as in his final answer. I definitely think tvk is minion so rn zoran is the only wolf with current information. Convenient is not the word I would use lol I chose left and center because those are the first 2

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Reply #167 - 04/04/20 at 18:51:54

LewisRichards wrote on 04/04/20 at 18:18:35:

Well paf already went to sleep so you're not getting that answer anytime soon and his claim seemed legit to me as in his final answer. I definitely think tvk is minion so rn zoran is the only wolf with current information. Convenient is not the word I would use lol I chose left and center because those are the first 2

How big do you think the chance is that all of the current claims (excluding mine) are true? Which of the current claims is least likely to be true? I'm not only talking about role, but targets as well?

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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: ONUW2 - Quarantine Boogaloo DAY PHASE Reply #168 - 04/04/20 at 19:07:23 I actually believe most of them but I'm pretty annoyed because I want all the information to play with before I decide anything and k9 and brian haven't claimed at all which makes me more suspicious of them than everyone else who has claimed here
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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: ONUW2 - Quarantine Boogaloo DAY PHASE Reply #170 - 04/04/20 at 19:58:37 Well paf and leone are the only 2 who claimed pretty quickly. Leone's claim lines up with everything else that's happened and paf I'm mostly just trusting because he hasn't gotten a counterclaim. I'm hoping to see brian and k9 claims though, those would help a lot
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Reply #171 - 04/04/20 at 23:47:55

LewisRichards wrote on 04/04/20 at 17:12:16:

Yee brian this is a bit ridiculous that you haven't claimed yet lol + that you've seemed to be torn on who to believe between tvk and me lol

TvK saying he did that to start discussion but the first thing he did was take 45 minutes to respond then double down

K9 kinda pisses me off, his claim could be some big info SO IF YOU'RE READING THIS CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US YOUR ROLE

Yeah theres not much point hiding anything rn, im the robber. I didn't rob any role though. I'm not sure whos claims i think are false or not, but I don't think TvK is my prime suspect anymore, judging from Shock's posts on pg6, but Zoran seems to be kind of cornered here.

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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: ONUW2 - Quarantine Boogaloo DAY PHASE Reply #172 - 04/04/20 at 23:59:13 Oh mannnnn what a claim lol that's a lot to think about
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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: ONUW2 - Quarantine Boogaloo DAY PHASE Reply #173 - 04/05/20 at 00:04:42 Brian can you claim asap thanks
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