K9, I suppose you're reading the topic now? Make sure to understand everything and then post your opinion on everyone.
I would also like you to claim your role, but that's your decision.

Fuck it.
I did NOT switch TvK.
Thought it was worth to try to get his reaction or even see if he would spill, but I guess he was never going to believe it.

I switched Zwiebel and Zoran.
There.
Now how about everyone else claim?!?!?

P.A.F.625 wrote on 04/04/20 at 11:40:30:


I hope Zoran has something good for us now.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 04/04/20 at 11:40:30:


Why did you switch 2 of us?

TvK wrote on 04/04/20 at 11:51:34:


I think so, I've never played this before and that opinion is pretty popular, so it just makes the most sense to me.

K-9_CLOCK wrote on 04/04/20 at 12:28:28:


Can you clarify which of my questions you are answering here? And can you also the last question? I specifically want to hear your thoughts on Shock claiming Doppelganger, Leone claiming Robber, me doubting Leone's claim, PAF's claim of switching Zwiebel and Zoran and Leone claiming Zoran was Mason.

Okay so this got really interesting. Here's what I think people are at the moment:

Transitions: [Dr] = Drunk, [Do] = Dopp, [R] = Robber, [TM] = Troublemaker

B.Ray - Hunter/insomniac (not reading Minion/Wolf here based on his active playstyle)
K-9_CLOCK - Hunter/Insomniac/Minion/Wolf
WAZZUPYOSHI - Drunk ->[Dr] One of Hunter/Insomniac/Minion/Wolf (Not Tanner or Mason)
theyounggun - Seer ->[R] Robber
Leone - Robber ->[R] Mason
Shock - Dopp ->[Do] Robber ->[R] Seer
TvK - Solo Mason soft-CC. Is actually minion/Wolf. Details why I think that below.
no control - Mason ->[R] Robber ->[TM] Minion/Wolf
P.A.F.625 - Troublemaker
Zwiebel - Minion/Wolf ->[TM] Robber


About TvK. After Leone claimed Robber and claimed to get Zoran's Mason role, TvK's very next post is this:

TvK wrote on 04/04/20 at 05:53:35:


Instead of what he's been recently emphasizing, what he posted much later:

TvK wrote on 04/04/20 at 06:46:54:


TvK didn't softclaim Mason in this post until after my big info reveal following TYG's Seer CC. I think he knew Zoran would in fact confirm that he's Mason (because he knew TYG/Leone* Shock aren't lying) and he was trying to setup another claim for himself after Seer failed. He claimed hard in the early game that PAF was lying and his "claim in full" for Seer got shut down. But he must claim something, and solo Mason is a good claim to hopefully cause more confusion; claiming something like Hunter/Insomniac might get CC'd and the Village would be much further along the path of gamesolving if he went that route.

Zwiebel probably rolled Minion/Wolf and now knows Zoran's exact role, and Zwiebel can comfortably assume that he's Robber and with Village now.

This is all assuming PAF is finally not lying about who he swapped to bait out more information.

no control wrote on 04/04/20 at 09:40:15:


Fortunately we got this from him before he became effectively outed Minion/Wolf.

no control wrote on 04/04/20 at 01:02:13:


Why would Zoran (assuming he thinks he's probably town at the time) trust TvK this much so early in the game.
It would make a lot of sense if TvK was actually Mason. But then why would Zoran lie about seeing someone later? Another possibility is if Zoran started WW/minion and he is protecting his buddy. Unfortunately if Zoran believes Zweibel, we can't trust his reply moving on.

Shock as far as your plan to find and kill the hunter: What purpose does that serve? Last game it made sense because Zoran was highly sus but that may not be the case here.

B.Ray wrote on 04/04/20 at 14:20:49:


Personally, I think it's just from how hard TvK CC'd PAF's TM claim, just because that's such an aggressive play. However, I think it makes sense if he's Minion and trying to simultaneously draw attention and sow confusion to make things easier for the Wolf/Wolves.

Yes, it does seem TvK tried to strengthen his claims by hinting at it first. However in both cases you could figure out before he hardclaimed. He still doesn’t look good.

lol was the wolf team TvK/Zwiebel? that’d be the 3rd time it happens

I do agree with Zwiebel that we need the remaining claims. Usually I'd be annoyed I had to take back my first claim before they even full claimed, but it seems in my case it did well.

Since you obviously believe PAF, who was your buddy Zwiebel?