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Thomas. Ninja Offline #3 AF missed 4556 mts Netherlands Gender:	Re: RusoX Reply #25 - 11/07/19 at 07:32:50 Just logging on here to complain about the fact that if I knew the WR was a "509 when i got my 551 on rBC I obviously would've continued for WR.... Beating a 2:30.991 just seemed too daunting to me. If only we knew better back then Thanks, cheaters. Really appericiated for screwing up the WR competition
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Reply #26 - 11/07/19 at 21:46:39

Removing cheated times and valuing history are 2 of the most important things for MK TTs. However, I’m pretty concerned about how drastically MKWRS keeps itself “credible”. At this pace, I just hope it doesn’t get out of hand.

One suggestion I have is actually not to remove the cheated times from the database, only hide them from the Current WRs view and display them with the WRs Snapshot view. Just put a disclaimer, something like “at the time, the evidence of cheating wasn’t fully proven and the majority trusted the cheater. The cheater is now banned but it’s still a noteworthy part of the game’s history”. Since MKWRS seems to care a lot about both history and community opinion, I think this is quite a harmless and useful suggestion.

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Reply #27 - 11/07/19 at 22:22:03

azure wrote on 11/07/19 at 21:46:39:

Removing cheated times and valuing history are 2 of the most important things for MK TTs. However, I’m pretty concerned about how drastically MKWRS keeps itself “credible”. At this pace, I just hope it doesn’t get out of hand.

One suggestion I have is actually not to remove the cheated times from the database, only hide them from the Current WRs view and display them with the WRs Snapshot view. Just put a disclaimer, something like “at the time, the evidence of cheating wasn’t fully proven and the majority trusted the cheater. The cheater is now banned but it’s still a noteworthy part of the game’s history”. Since MKWRS seems to care a lot about both history and community opinion, I think this is quite a harmless and useful suggestion.

I have to agree with what KingAlex said earlier. We will get used to what the history should have been all along.
I don't think it's wise to give cheaters further notoriety via disclaimers. Each of them would have their own little stamp in history, something I doubt Cole wants for the site.
It's their own fault. We have to move on with the consequences.

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FY n00b Offline seen 2595 mj vids	Re: RusoX Reply #28 - 11/08/19 at 12:58:46 For actual substance, once a cheater, always a cheater dude cheated no shame on wi-fi back in the day, no surprise he was also a cheater in TTs
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Reply #29 - 11/09/19 at 03:23:52

What I don't understand is why you all were quick to remove all of Nagisa's times from mkwrs/mkl, including runs set before and after (all of which were not sufficiently proven to be cheated) his cheated time, but have decided to only remove a handful of Ruso's times, keeping a bunch of times which don't even have public ghost files anywhere. I can understand keeping times which were uploaded to CTGP, but that only seems to be the case for one singular time of his (in regards to mkwrs), but why remove his .991, for which a ghost file was available to my knowledge, but keep his 2:32.865 or .442 in the WR history? Sure, that time was set before he cheated his times (as far as we know), but Nagisa was removed completely from the WR history, even though his first WR was obviously set before he cheated his second (though, if he'd had any times uploaded to CTGP, they should've been kept).

MKL has only kept his times that were uploaded to CTGP, but MKL doesn't keep track of history, only current times. I feel as though he should be given the same treatment on mkwrs.

I mean, why should Ruso recieve different treatment in comparison to Nagisa?

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Reply #30 - 11/09/19 at 03:42:06

Yxshi wrote on 11/09/19 at 03:23:52:

What I don't understand is why you all were quick to remove all of Nagisa's times from mkwrs/mkl, including runs set before and after (all of which were not sufficiently proven to be cheated) his cheated time, but have decided to only remove a handful of Ruso's times, keeping a bunch of times which don't even have public ghost files anywhere. I can understand keeping times which were uploaded to CTGP, but that only seems to be the case for one singular time of his (in regards to mkwrs), but why remove his .991, for which a ghost file was available to my knowledge, but keep his 2:32.865 or .442 in the WR history? Sure, that time was set before he cheated his times (as far as we know), but Nagisa was removed completely from the WR history, even though his first WR was obviously set before he cheated his second (though, if he'd had any times uploaded to CTGP, they should've been kept).

MKL has only kept his times that were uploaded to CTGP, but MKL doesn't keep track of history, only current times. I feel as though he should be given the same treatment on mkwrs.

I mean, why should Ruso recieve different treatment in comparison to Nagisa?

It's actually the same exact treatment.

When someone gets banned from mkwrs, the times before the TAS tools required for that region were made public, still stay on, since they deem them as not possible to be cheated. Nagisa had no wrs set before this point, but Ruso did. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've always been under the impression that this is the reason.

I don't fully agree with how they handle the situation, but that's just how they've always done it over there. The PAL TAS code was presumably created way later than the NTSC one, so his CM glitch day 1 WRs still count. Again, I'm just trusting that this is right, otherwise I do have a problem with counting the post-2009 ones.

As for the leaderboards, we've always removed all non-ctgp times from the cheater there, regardless of how old the times are.

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Reply #31 - 11/09/19 at 18:47:05

Yxshi wrote on 11/09/19 at 03:23:52:

but why remove his .991, for which a ghost file was available to my knowledge, but keep his 2:32.865 or .442 in the WR history?

1. To remain consistent. Every record dated after the cheated time (barring the ones driven on CTGP) is removed while every record before is subject to removal.
2. The trust is gone.
3. A number of Mander's times also had a ghost available and showed no signs of cheating. To avoid hypocrisy you would need to be questioning why these were removed too.
Arvo57 wrote on 11/09/19 at 03:42:06:

When someone gets banned from mkwrs, the times before the TAS tools required for that region were made public, still stay on, since they deem them as not possible to be cheated. ...The PAL TAS code was presumably created way later than the NTSC one, so his CM glitch day 1 WRs still count. Again, I'm just trusting that this is right, otherwise I do have a problem with counting the post-2009 ones.

Wait I'm confused. Isn't Guillaume European? He was completing TAS runs as early as December 2009.
Then there's MKDasher who began TASing during the summer of 2010, and he resides in the same country as Ruso.
Were these TASers just exceptions? Because if not these tools were available.

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Re: RusoX
Reply #32 - 11/09/19 at 21:31:06

Batman5112 wrote on 11/09/19 at 18:47:05:

Yxshi wrote on 11/09/19 at 03:23:52:

but why remove his .991, for which a ghost file was available to my knowledge, but keep his 2:32.865 or .442 in the WR history?

1. To remain consistent. Every record dated after the cheated time (barring the ones driven on CTGP) is removed while every record before is subject to removal.
2. The trust is gone.
3. A number of Mander's times also had a ghost available and showed no signs of cheating. To avoid hypocrisy you would need to be questioning why these were removed too.
Arvo57 wrote on 11/09/19 at 03:42:06:

When someone gets banned from mkwrs, the times before the TAS tools required for that region were made public, still stay on, since they deem them as not possible to be cheated. ...The PAL TAS code was presumably created way later than the NTSC one, so his CM glitch day 1 WRs still count. Again, I'm just trusting that this is right, otherwise I do have a problem with counting the post-2009 ones.

Wait I'm confused. Isn't Guillaume European? He was completing TAS runs as early as December 2009.
Then there's MKDasher who began TASing during the summer of 2010, and he resides in the same country as Ruso.
Were these TASers just exceptions? Because if not these tools were available.

They're talking about Wii TAS codes, the only one that was available at the time was slowdown/rapid fire, which are easily detectable, the TAS code came out later on. The people you are talking about used Dolphin for those, and the technology wasn't good enough back then to upload those ghosts to the Wii.

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Batman5112 Elite Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 2852 days karting	Re: RusoX Reply #33 - 11/09/19 at 21:48:48 Ah thanks for the clarification
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NEO#1 Elite Offline MKWII G.O.D 6097 days karting Arnsberg,Germany Gender:	Re: RusoX Reply #34 - 11/11/19 at 08:48:58 As i said ages ago, he's a hacker.
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Reply #37 - 04/27/21 at 03:09:00

Well sorry for taking too long to shed some light on this.

To keep it simple. Yes, the .5 was cheated. However, everything else past that was not. The 402 was literally done live. Afterwards, I quit for 2 years from playing it and then came back again. Why exactly would I have cheated everything past that and have taken a break from 2013-15? Fyi, I only came back cuz Mikey asked me to play for his team, which got me interested again.

I cant recall why exactly I decided to do that with the .559, I suppose I was just pissed about that fail and not improving but the damage was done already when it was too late.

Take it or leave it, thats kinda up to you whether you want to believe this or not. But thats my side of the story. There is no more to it

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Reply #38 - 04/27/21 at 05:09:01

★rusoX wrote on 04/27/21 at 03:09:00:

Well sorry for taking too long to shed some light on this.

To keep it simple. Yes, the .5 was cheated. However, everything else past that was not. The 402 was literally done live. Afterwards, I quit for 2 years from playing it and then came back again. Why exactly would I have cheated everything past that and have taken a break from 2013-15? Fyi, I only came back cuz Mikey asked me to play for his team, which got me interested again.

I cant recall why exactly I decided to do that with the .559, I suppose I was just pissed about that fail and not improving but the damage was done already when it was too late.

Take it or leave it, thats kinda up to you whether you want to believe this or not. But thats my side of the story. There is no more to it

Cheating in a video game.... yikes

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Reply #39 - 04/28/21 at 11:34:31

Bynt wrote on 04/27/21 at 05:09:01:

★rusoX wrote on 04/27/21 at 03:09:00:

Well sorry for taking too long to shed some light on this.

To keep it simple. Yes, the .5 was cheated. However, everything else past that was not. The 402 was literally done live. Afterwards, I quit for 2 years from playing it and then came back again. Why exactly would I have cheated everything past that and have taken a break from 2013-15? Fyi, I only came back cuz Mikey asked me to play for his team, which got me interested again.

I cant recall why exactly I decided to do that with the .559, I suppose I was just pissed about that fail and not improving but the damage was done already when it was too late.

Take it or leave it, thats kinda up to you whether you want to believe this or not. But thats my side of the story. There is no more to it

Cheating in a video game.... yikes

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Re: RusoX
Reply #40 - 04/28/21 at 14:07:40

★rusoX wrote on 04/27/21 at 03:09:00:

Well sorry for taking too long to shed some light on this.

To keep it simple. Yes, the .5 was cheated. However, everything else past that was not. The 402 was literally done live. Afterwards, I quit for 2 years from playing it and then came back again. Why exactly would I have cheated everything past that and have taken a break from 2013-15? Fyi, I only came back cuz Mikey asked me to play for his team, which got me interested again.

I cant recall why exactly I decided to do that with the .559, I suppose I was just pissed about that fail and not improving but the damage was done already when it was too late.

Take it or leave it, thats kinda up to you whether you want to believe this or not. But thats my side of the story. There is no more to it

i wish rusos wrs after the tased one were counted ):

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