Vinnie927 wrote on 09/10/22 at 18:39:08:because people imagine the good stuff will happen anyway, and if you get rid of the bad stuff nothing good will disappear.
The truth is exactly the opposite. Bad stuff was happening anyway, but the western culture brought something new which moved us forward and it likely wouldn't happen otherwise.
Vinnie927 wrote on 09/10/22 at 18:39:08:Some people (including myself to some extent) feel that praising the Queen is essentially sweeping all of the horrors of colonialism, and the monarchy as a whole, under the rug. I am aware that decolonization essentially happened entirely under her reign, so to characterize her as nothing but a bloodthirsty psychopath who loved genocide is clearly a gigantic stretch. But at the same time, she didn't have a spotless record. It really does seem that both groups of people completely ignore some of the things she's done, with some thinking the good things are irrelevant when compared to the bad things, and others thinking that the good things do balance out.
It is impossible to measure people who were born and lived in completely different era by todays standards. Very simplified comparison would be to take any early 20th century sport champion or even much closer, early kart champions. By todays standards they are bad and they suck, but for their time they were ahead of time so in reality they were not bad at all.
You can apply the same to us, that future generations could look at us and they would perhaps see a bunch of monsters trying to kill the planet by that same standard.
Vinnie927 wrote on 09/10/22 at 18:39:08:I didn't want to immediately discount what you had to say because it doesn't line up with the people I follow on Twitter, because of course your perspective is far closer to what's actually happening than that of an American who's never left the country. At the same time, I admit I am hesitant to take it at face value. What I can glean is that this is a complicated topic where it is almost impossible to have absolute statements, so making such statements as I did is ultimately unproductive, even if I still agree with them, because what I said was reductive. You didn't necessarily misinterpret me, it's just a difference of opinion where I reduced mine to the point where you couldn't really have a meaningful discussion regarding it.
Western culture is exported everywhere and i myself live in the west for almost 10 years now. I see the problems which the 1st world is facing and i understand the will to get even better, but it has taken a bad turn lately with movements like defund the police and talks about colonial history and reparations (there are more, but these 2 are the most wild). These are literally culture ending ideas and no normal person wants to see the west gone or "rebuilt".
It is always better to look at what people are doing then what they are saying. Every year you have 1 million people immigrating to EU from non-EU countries. Then you have even more illegal immigrants + immigrants from eastern EU countries. US numbers are similar. This is happening because the west is way, way better then any other option despite all it's flaws.
Croatia is EU and at the borders of the west and we have lost 15% of our population in last 30 years despite it being a better place to live then most of the world. This is how much better the west is so don't freaking destroy it please