ZedR wrote on 04/06/19 at 13:55:18:AlexS wrote on 04/06/19 at 12:30:28:Wait so we're allowed to pause for our PP times still? You mean I'm actually encouraged to break the MKWRs/MK Leaderboards rule and can use it to shave off literally 0.2-0.3 from my rPG PB for free? I guess the main reason I haven't already is because I don't want a dirty "PASed" run to appear as my PB on the CTGP...
There's becoming a growing number inconsistencies amongst pages now lol. I do get that it is impossible to track everyone's submitted times to the PP, however, these rankings are already heavily trust-based. There's probably a ton of cheated or lied times already being included.
Furthermore, if we're going to really look at inconsistencies, let's sort some other things out too:
1) Why are runs that blatantly broke our rules included on MKWRs but others aren't? Why is suiryu's BC run not included but Hibiki's DKM and Fox's BC glitch are? Didn't Sword have a run removed for using custom music or something? It's flat out childish laziness that these things haven't been addressed and corrected yet. But nobody in particular is to blame.
2) Why would our Worldwide/Regional top ten lists on this forum NOT include cheaters that have proven times on the CTGP? They can remain banned from the PP and having profiles, which makes sense. But why would the top tens not reflect legit times? The top tens are supposed to mirror the best legitimate times in the world, not the best legitimate times for people with PP profiles. If that were the case so many tops should be edited to remove players without profiles here.
I guess the argument against that would be including cheaters gives them a free pass to cheat once, get caught, and still be included if they use CTGP after. There's probably a workaround or way to handle that. It just seems kind of dumb to have two sites with entirely different tops.
I would link to all the discussions and arguments but I cant find them (and maybe too lazy to search for them
)
to sum it up:
1. suiryu's run isnt counted because we dont know its even a real run. It could be nagisa, it could be suiryu, we dont know. Second, we dont know if the ghost is legit because there is none. We dont have any ghost and to submit a time to MKWRs you need at least a ghost to look at. Third who knows that nagisa and suiryu are friends? Suiryu could just send nagisa a fake time and nagisa uploads it and suiryu laughs about the community for adding the stuff. We already tried our best to get their attention and give a statement + ctgp advice.
(No, this doesnt speak for the other runs still on MKWRs like hibiki's and I also think these runs should be removed. At least the runs that broke the rules).
Everyone with proper knowledge knows that fox and hibiki's runs are legit WRs, just done on MyStuff. You can complain about the Music rule itself but thats another topic.
I don't think it's fair to say you "tried your best" when all you did was release a 15 minute video dedicated to
pause buffering and include a couple second long part of that saying "you should use CTGP" with no further reasoning, on top of that, with no English subtitles.
Do you guys really think people who don't even speak the language fluently are going to sit through a 15 minute video not in their native language and pick out a single part of it to follow?
On top of that, CTGP isn't even a
requirement, it's just preferred and there are times now being done where it's not counted.
I think that the best plan of action is to make it CTGP only from now on and release a video explaining that CTGP is now required for your times to count as legitimate and this video should also include Japanese subtitles, I've mentioned it before but there are a couple people who could easily help out with Japanese subtitles and they would probably be willing to help out.
Players like British and Zubola (not really a player anymore, but did some translating work in the past) speak English and Japanese fluently, and British has previously showed interest in helping with translating the rules, of course, no one reached out to him about it because most people who are admins or mods of the site would rather sit on their ass writing up long posts about why things aren't getting done than actually taking action and working towards fixing the problem.
Even if you don't make CTGP only a requirement (though I think this is the best decision moving forward), you should make the video regardless saying that it's a requirement to push people to get it.
You guys know that Nagisa is subscribed at least so that's the best bet to get his attention and to get them both on CTGP (though Nagisa doesn't play anymore).
P.S. The reason people say that Nagisa and Suiryu are IRL friends is because people who knew Nagisa personally have all said that. Neither have social media anymore (Nagisa deleted his instagram, which was the only possible way any of you could have contacted him but no one ever did, though it could be argued that it'd be inappropriate to message someone on their IRL social media regarding a video game), not even old friend's of them like McQueen etc who were good friends with them have their twitters if they even have any that are related to the MKW community.
So the most likely answer to the fact that neither of them are interacting with the community and haven't in years but his runs are still getting uploaded is that suiryu has Nagisa record his runs or upload them for him, which is what has happened for years now...
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