I am 100% in support of this addition. It adds benefits without removing from the already existing ruleset.

"I don't think having a 'CTGP only' rule is logically sound. This will force TTers that they have to hack their Wii to play legit. That's counter intuitive. I also think forcing a Green checkmarked player to have his Site Record ghost available on CTGP or recorded on live stream only, can also throw us into a pile of shit."

1. Not Updating a game that does not change it but makes it better for a legit competitive reason is not a reason for me to not get CTGP. You dont even really hack your wii, you just install a "game" with a SD card. There is nothing bad about it. These could be legit Nintendo Updates but Nintendo did not care.

2. Current checkmarks are nonsense. We should completely remove the checkmarks.

3. A green checkmark does not mean you are free from accusations. Whoever you are - get your time on ctgp or stream. Just uploading a time without any proof that this time exists or was driven humanly is a reason for me to put this time into a pending times section until a ghost or streamlink is aviable. Its 2018 and our TT Past is unfortunately not that good.

WL95★Jaxon wrote on 11/01/18 at 16:47:37:


You don't get my point. There could be any software or mod. The Time Trials are the same, the game stays the same and the records are the same. CTGP just checks if your time has legit inputs and if cheats were used. Its Vanilla TT all the way with add-ons for the ghost system.

That's why it exists.

CTGP only is not exactly what I want. I don't want times on tops/mkwrs that are suspicious and not certainly legit. Stream or ghost files are enough. I still don't have anything against CTGP only rule set. 95% of the current players use it anyways.

Also these people downloaded CTGP on purpose and probably say: "Almost everyone has CTGP so why should we take those who don't use it but post times and WRs into account?"

@Bryce There's an official (100% hack proof) stream protocol guide in this thread - http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1431108141 Currently there are multiple ways to get Green checkmark status but its kind of outdated so this leads me to my next point in regards to responding to ZedR...

@ZedR Good point on the current Checkmark system. We could trash the whole thing and start from fresh. That may be the best option. Sometimes things just need an overhaul. Can you give me a rough draft of your what you think the new checkmark system could be? Thanks. In regards to CTGP...

Do you need HBC (or any other hacked/exploited third-party software) installed on your Wii to run CTGP? Yes or No. If it's Yes, then once again that doesn't make any sense to force people to hack their Wii to play legit.

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ZedR wrote on 11/02/18 at 10:06:38:


It’s an analogy, but in my opinion refusing to get ctgp since you don’t want to hack your Wii/Wii U shouldn’t be an excuse considering there’s very little risk (if any) in installing HBC and CTGP based on personal experience. Plus the way this is heading, ctgp may become a requirement for WRs (neutral on this tho), so refusing gives me the idea that someone must be hiding something regardless of history/progress...

Sosis wrote on 11/02/18 at 10:34:48:

Not sure if you are implying that I cheat but if you are then
I've got nothing to hide, I just play a video game for fun in my spare time

ZedR wrote on 11/02/18 at 07:49:04:


1. In regard to your example of a person manipulating the checkmark status: We could just make the system more strict. How about a rule where ALL site records must be on CTGP or a reviewable link of a live stream (following protocol) regardless of the checkmark status.

The 75% thing I eluded to earlier wouldn't show a player is cheater proof but a very likely legit player. You could however do the 75% thing for the yellow checkmark, and only allow players to have green checkmarks is EVERY time is done on CTGP/reviewable live stream. We could do some sort of record keeping for the list of players with green checkmarks along with certain data of their PRs. But this would be futile with the rule I stated in the previous paragraph.

2. In regards to your Suiryu video comment: Yes I agree, that's why everyone is having this conversation. The Japanese are well aware they have gotten free-bies in the pass. With Suiryu's run, I'm glad the community has now started to get a conversation started so a problem like this will less likely occur in the future (hopefully never again). With a new ruleset, if someone did what Suiryu did, there would be no controversy. We simply don't count it. Everyone is happy.

3. "You don't hack your wii to play legit": I was assuming you would know exactly what I meant when I made the statement in my previous post- "force people to hack their Wii to play legit.". I'm not literally saying you need to Hack your Wii in order to be a legitimate TTer. I'm saying you are forcing people to actually install non-Nintendo software as the only way to be accepted. In my honest opinion, that is ludicrous.

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@Sosis the amount of 'risk' is irrelevant. No other Player's Page requires their players to hack their gaming console. It's simply silly. I can understand something such as... only allow Players to have green checkmarks if every time they have is on CTGP. That way, instead of forcing people to hack their Wiis, you incline them to do so on their own will.

DennisColvin76 wrote on 11/04/18 at 15:14:15:

Well there wouldn’t be a discussion if everyone agreed in the first place would there

Updated my Original Post with a simplifed new Rule.  Please review the OP.

Some good arguments I can see against my idea is:

- ISOs should now be banned entirely since the new Site Record rule will auto ban ISO use by nature (for Site Record times only)

- Scrap the checkmark system and make a new one******

******This would require overhauling the entire system/ruleset of the MKWPP. Which quite frankly cannot be done with the way this community runs itself.