Hello,

I am new to the forum but not SMK. I took part in a competition at EGX (could have been different) in London around 3 years ago (I think...) which had SMK as the game. As soon as the venue opened I went straight over to sign up for the comp. I am happy to say that I won the whole thing against all of the other average Joe's to play against Sami's then prodigy. Her name escapes me now but she was obviously very good and I lost convincingly 9-1 in tracks - I think she was trying some new stuff out on the one I won but I took it anyway. I got my medal and a business card from Sami and went on my somewhat merry way but couldn't help feel a little...dejected with the experience. I had never seen or even heard of anyone using the NBT before that day, let alone played against someone who used it and I felt like I didn't stand a chance all along. Someone just gave me the ass whooping of a life time in the game I had played so much of throughout my life. I thought I was a fairly decent player until then and when I got home I started researching about world records and so on. This is where I found that NBT was being used everywhere! I felt frustrated that I couldn't do it as well. After that point I sold my SNES and all my games and left it there, disillusioned with the whole thing.

When the SNES Mini came out it rekindled my passion to play and that I did, beating my original times that were on my old cart. I have read a fair amount on why the mini won't/can't be used on here and that's fine, no more needs to be said (as saddening as that is for me to not be able to submit a time).

I spoke to someone recently as I wanted to see if any of my friends wanted to compete with me to see who could post the best time(s) using the mini as long as we kept to some rules:

- Non-NBT
- No shortcut taking (like on Ghost Valley 1)
- No save state/rewind manipulation

Someone questioned my tactics when I shaved over 2 seconds off their time on Mario Circuit 1 and asked if I was using NBT. I said no, I don't know how and I don't want to use glitches. They informed me that the NBT is not a glitch but actually an intended gameplay mechanic put in there by the devs. I have sought to find this information but fail to do so. As such I am here, asking your fine selves to shed some light on this topic and provide me some clarity.

My apologies for the lengthily first post but I wanted to add context to my question.

Cheers!

Cheers for taking the time to reply and the clarification on the NBT. Seems baffling that Japan were doing this for so long before the west but it's also not a surprise at the same time.

I would love to get an actual SNES console again but with a young one on the way and living in a flat, I just don't have the space which was also another reason for getting the mini! It looks like I will have to try even harder on my mini to get the time down so it's comparable to a decent PAL time. I have no records of any of my old times which is a shame. I will no doubt get another actual SNES when kiddo grows up a bit so I can show him the ropes.

I think EGX moving to the NEC is the main reason I decided to go that year. Typically I just moved to London from Birmingham and they go the opposite way!

I wouldn't call this "solid proof" but there was a (retired) French SMK player called Olivier Antoine who had high skills in terms of gaming code and development, and analyzed the game ROM in its "deepest depths" to conclude NBT was an intentional move from the game developers. He explained why and how with technical terms I can't really cope with but he's a trustftul player within the French SMk community and there's no doubt he told the truth about this.

Also as I mentioned years ago, not totally relevant but notice how pretty much every other Mario Kart game all involves holding R and pressing left-right-left-right-left-right etc to charge a boost? The same movement you would do for a zig zag boost in SMK. You can get some of the mini turbos with one slide, yes. But they are forcefully generated more with the zig zag style. Infact it is probably literally all of the other Mario Kart games.

So if we are wrong then it was just coincidence that they made it function with the zig zag style in 7 other Mario Kart games in a row. Oliviers research was solid enough. to point it in the direction that they were programming in these variations into SMK. Then it looks like with the sequels they decided to keep a similar format every time. Just changed the execution timing / speed / angles etc.

Zarkov wrote on 11/28/18 at 02:53:57:


That's where zig zagging can work regardless but maybe they didn't intend for us to squeeze in extra little NBTs in obscure places. Like the one on GV2 after the platform jump or the way we do DP3 fastlap now combining so many techniques. There we have 'gamed' it further yes.

Yeh the boost is definetly intended, we just pushed it to the extreme with zigzags, and I remember doing wide zigzag boosts 16years ago on MC1 with a non-nbt pad.  

Agreed Scoub my BC2 original strat before i even discovered the players site and nbt even such as gas release, used a single zigzag nbt around the 4 thwomp corner with a standard controller.

^the issue with that is you would also need to ban people from using 3rd party controllers (since many of them are naturally pro-nbt) and also ban people from using offical controllers once they reach a certain age/amount of use (because they too become more pro-nbt as they are used). Eventually you would just need to ban all controllers and close the site, unless Nintendo started producing new controllers for some reason.

Also if you don't like NBT, just do like Johan and wander on :
http://www.mariokartplayers.com/smknonnbt/

wxyz wrote on 02/12/19 at 07:45:28:


Technically they did with the SNES Mini.  

Hence the 'technically' :BlackBass:

Indeed, I'm also happy to play you. Il even show you advanced double lightnings strats.

If you think we are only good by virtue of using boosts, get a load of this:

http://youtu.be/yb3aIdH5n7c