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Reply #550 - 07/13/18 at 02:49:06  
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:45:06:
What were the claims at the moment Zoran claimed hunter?

I mean either way we just vote for Zoran anyway but let's evaluate the world where he's actually the hunter just in case


I did evaluate it. I already evaluated it when I made him claim to be hunter. He had no other role to claim that would've worked.

He could've counterclaimed something, but why did he wait so long then? It would've made him look far worse. And what would've he counterclaimed anyway? He could've counterclaimed me, but that would've been a lost cause for him.

So he could only claim roles that weren't claimed yet. Guess what, at the time TvK claimed 2nd VT, and Zoran had no way of knowing that that was a lie, so he couldn't claim VT. He couldn't claim mason, because Shock claimed mason without a partner.

There was literally no other role left he could've claimed. Y u no understand Smiley
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Reply #551 - 07/13/18 at 02:56:55  
Could you just answer the question? I wasn't around when he claimed hunter, what were all the exact claims at that time?

He could always claim something like TM. This would have been a better claim than something that always gets him shot.

Like sure it's completely fine to vote Zoran but let's think about all possibilities here.
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Reply #552 - 07/13/18 at 03:03:33  
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:56:55:
Could you just answer the question? I wasn't around when he claimed hunter, what were all the exact claims at that time?

He could always claim something like TM. This would have been a better claim than something that always gets him shot.

Like sure it's completely fine to vote Zoran but let's think about all possibilities here.


U want a list? Fine

I claimed seer
TvK and Isaak claimed VT
PAF and Leone claimed TM(which is why he couldn't claim TM as well)
Cros claimed robber, robbed Kleenex and got drunk role
Kleenex then confirmed that he was the drunk
Dan didn't claim anything up to that point.
Shock claimed mason with no partner

So the only roles that weren't claimed:

Tanner. I said I knew who tanner was so he couldn't claim that
Mason 2. Could not claim that because shock claimed there was no mason partner.
Wolf + Minion. Why would he claim that  Grin

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HUNTER

TvK actually claimed the perfect role to claim before he could, so thanks Tanner van Kessel Kiss
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Reply #553 - 07/13/18 at 03:05:03  
the puzzle has been pieced together. I admire you wanting a backup plan in case this goes wrong, but it won't. Zoran has to be wolf.
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Reply #554 - 07/13/18 at 03:07:29  
And TvK, in my heart you're Town and u will win this game with me Smiley
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Reply #555 - 07/13/18 at 03:14:29  
So PAF was claiming TM still at that point, if Zoran is wolf then it actually would have been way better to claim TM than hunter at that point because it would have thrown the game into chaos, or he could've CC'd you as seer. Too bad for him though if he's wolf, he boxed himself into a corner
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Reply #556 - 07/13/18 at 03:17:02  
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 01:40:52:
To fill that blank in from my side: I scanned TvK, and he came up tanner.

Kinda unlucky for him, but that's how it rolls.

This also means, that we have no info on the cards in the reserve. As some people pointed out, my claims have not lined up with the truth, that was correct.


Wow, who would have guessed this? Doesn't this like fit exactly in what I have been saying about Zwiebl since my claim? Can anyone even try to understand this from a village point of view? Lying about checking the centre cards just to "out" one specific player as a Wolf? Constantly keeping the village in the dark, watching us scramble to fit the roles into what he spoonfed us to believe? Come on guys, I know you're smart enough to see right through this.
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Reply #557 - 07/13/18 at 03:17:55  
Just vote me, np. We shouldn't waste time discussing this.

What we need to discuss is who do I shoot tonight?

Zwiebel is nothing good.

Paf was nothing good and he lied again with having a switch in mind.

Shock is done, the only question is do we believe his mason claim from before?

Tvk was all over the place, I find very hard to believe he is pro town.

1 mason is in the reserve for sure.

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Reply #558 - 07/13/18 at 03:17:55  
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:14:29:
So PAF was claiming TM still at that point, if Zoran is wolf then it actually would have been way better to claim TM than hunter at that point because it would have thrown the game into chaos, or he could've CC'd you as seer. Too bad for him though if he's wolf, he boxed himself into a corner


Who in the world would've believed a seer cc? He knew he couldn't do that. Same goes for a third TM claim. While in theory those were possibilities, practically they had no chance of holding up.

His best and only shot was claiming hunter and hoping your claim wouldn't hold up. Thing is, he couldn't know that I knew TvK was lying and that your VT claim would hold up just perfect.
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Reply #559 - 07/13/18 at 03:19:17  
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 01:56:02:
TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 05:27:08:
Zwiebel wrote on 07/12/18 at 05:25:00:
TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 05:19:35:
Zwiebel wrote on 07/12/18 at 05:16:43:
Ayyy TvK

I'm not sure what the fuck you're doing, but if you think leone is tanner, then no, he's not Smiley
I also think it's not really important right now if I believe PAF over Leone or not, I think it's more important if you believe PAF over Leone or not.



I 100% believe PAF over Leone. The most important thing for me is that you also believe the same. If you do so, I think we should be able to solve this game together. If you don't believe PAF, then we're a long way from home.


Do you believe me? Then why you say Leone is tanner?


I have no reason not to believe you. And everything I'm doing is to gather information. I do believe that Dan now has my original role, and I have his. All I want now is to figure out what reason Leone has to also claim Troublemaker. I think calling him the Tanner is a good way to get the discussion started. What is your opinion on Leone?


If at this point it isn't obvious that TvK is openly admitting to me that he "was/is" tanner to me, I don't know what is Grin.



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To be honest, I thought scanning center cards is what everyone would expect the seer to do, so I didn't. Not much more to it Smiley


I already said this right away when I claimed. I had to make absolutely sure that Zwiebel thought he was the confirmed Seer before I could finally see where he was going with his claim.
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Reply #560 - 07/13/18 at 03:20:01  
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:17:55:
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:14:29:
So PAF was claiming TM still at that point, if Zoran is wolf then it actually would have been way better to claim TM than hunter at that point because it would have thrown the game into chaos, or he could've CC'd you as seer. Too bad for him though if he's wolf, he boxed himself into a corner


Who in the world would've believed a seer cc? He knew he couldn't do that. Same goes for a third TM claim. While in theory those were possibilities, practically they had no chance of holding up.

His best and only shot was claiming hunter and hoping your claim wouldn't hold up. Thing is, he couldn't know that I knew TvK was lying and that your VT claim would hold up just perfect.


It's like you don't understand that claiming hunter when you're already scumread and there's a seer claiming that he knows the real tanner always just gets you killed?
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Reply #561 - 07/13/18 at 03:20:54  
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:19:46:
Leone wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:13:41:
based on near-cleared village's claims, zoran is the only possible ww

if village is still lying this late into the game then gg sock got his self-destruct wish

So you believe Zwiebel over TvK?


Keeping in mind the things that have happened in this game, how certain can you be about "near-cleared village claims"?
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Reply #562 - 07/13/18 at 03:23:39  
Leone wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:23:00:
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:19:46:
Leone wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:13:41:
based on near-cleared village's claims, zoran is the only possible ww

if village is still lying this late into the game then gg sock got his self-destruct wish

So you believe Zwiebel over TvK?


tvk's been all over the fuckin place and causing chaos since the beginning and timur has this whole subliminal messages thingy going on (he did this in pev games too) so yes i am inclined to believe him over tvk by a fair bit


What about the fact that he started off with these subliminal messages, then did a big 180 to go after Zoran, and now after I have come forward with my real role (clearing Zoran in the process) he's trying to make these "subliminal messages" sound as if I somehow have been the Tanner all game long (a role he willingly was able to dismiss just to get to Zoran).
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Reply #563 - 07/13/18 at 03:28:00  
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:28:40:
Voting zoran is win/win anyway, because in the very unplausible scenario that he is not wolf, he is hunter so he could take someone with him.


Anyone else thinking that this post does not compute with Zwiebel's playstyle? All game long he's been extremely confident in Zoran being a Wolf. He has spent the entire game lying all in order to implicate Zoran. And now suddenly he comes with this weak-ass post saying "yeah not sure at all but he MIGHT EVEN REALLY BE THE HUNTER". His entire case is built around Zoran NOT being the Hunter.

For good measure: here's Zwiebel saying he really doesn't want the game in the sole hands of the hunter:

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Why would lynching the hunter be objectively good? It would literally give the hunter all the power to decide the game, and we don't even know who the fuck it is. For all we know it could be Cros, and from what I've seen, I wouldn't trust him with anything, would you?

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Reply #564 - 07/13/18 at 03:28:23  
no control wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:17:55:
Just vote me, np. We shouldn't waste time discussing this.

What we need to discuss is who do I shoot tonight?

Zwiebel is nothing good.

Paf was nothing good and he lied again with having a switch in mind.

Shock is done, the only question is do we believe his mason claim from before?

Tvk was all over the place, I find very hard to believe he is pro town.

1 mason is in the reserve for sure.

I'm at lunch break, will be on in 3.5 hrs.


If you are actually the hunter evaluate my theory about PAF actually being wolf to start the game and Shock being minion to start the game
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Reply #565 - 07/13/18 at 03:28:59  
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:20:01:
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:17:55:
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:14:29:
So PAF was claiming TM still at that point, if Zoran is wolf then it actually would have been way better to claim TM than hunter at that point because it would have thrown the game into chaos, or he could've CC'd you as seer. Too bad for him though if he's wolf, he boxed himself into a corner


Who in the world would've believed a seer cc? He knew he couldn't do that. Same goes for a third TM claim. While in theory those were possibilities, practically they had no chance of holding up.

His best and only shot was claiming hunter and hoping your claim wouldn't hold up. Thing is, he couldn't know that I knew TvK was lying and that your VT claim would hold up just perfect.


It's like you don't understand that claiming hunter when you're already scumread and there's a seer claiming that he knows the real tanner always just gets you killed?


Claiming seer or TM just gets him killed anyway as well. He had to do that earlier, before everyone kept pressuring him to finally claim. Also, his post history would've not indicated that he had been that role, I doubt a check would've made it look like it.

I see where you're coming from, but listen.

I'm pretty sure he thought that the only way out was getting you lynched at that point. Since you hadn't claimed AND in his mind the only role that you could've been was hunter, he tried to claim hunter before you could to make it a battle between you and him. HE HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING that you were actually Vanilla and that TvK was lying. He made the only choice left, but it failed.

That's my explanation.
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Reply #566 - 07/13/18 at 03:31:41  
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:40:29:
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:36:21:
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:28:40:
Voting zoran is win/win anyway, because in the very unplausible scenario that he is not wolf, he is hunter so he could take someone with him.

Alright but that's one thing that's giving me pause about him being wolf, why would Zoran claim hunter if he was WW knowing that he could have claimed something that would not have gotten him killed? Sure his options were scarce but he could have for instance claimed mason since I said I robbed him.

However you're right we can vote Zoran and whoever he votes will die if he's actually hunter. BUT Zoran if this is the case then that means PAF is lying and you have to think long and hard about who to vote. I think it could mean PAF was initially the WW and he thinks Shock was initially minion

TvK you're going to have to fight hard now if you're real seer so we can actually solve this


I pressured him into claiming hunter. Read back, hunter was only possible claim he could make. He obviously didn't want to, but every second longer he waited would've made him even more suspicious. You say he could've claimed mason? How could he, when shock claimed mason and said he had no partner...


PAF was lying at that point. I was lying at that point. You were lying at that point. What makes you so certain that nobody else was lying at that point? I actually think Zoran waiting until the right moment to make his claim is something that makes his claim more likely to believe. Heck, I can even confirm that he claimed is actual role.
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Reply #567 - 07/13/18 at 03:32:07  
TvK wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:28:00:
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:28:40:
Voting zoran is win/win anyway, because in the very unplausible scenario that he is not wolf, he is hunter so he could take someone with him.


Anyone else thinking that this post does not compute with Zwiebel's playstyle? All game long he's been extremely confident in Zoran being a Wolf. He has spent the entire game lying all in order to implicate Zoran. And now suddenly he comes with this weak-ass post saying "yeah not sure at all but he MIGHT EVEN REALLY BE THE HUNTER". His entire case is built around Zoran NOT being the Hunter.

For good measure: here's Zwiebel saying he really doesn't want the game in the sole hands of the hunter:

Zwiebel wrote on 07/12/18 at 04:58:36:
Why would lynching the hunter be objectively good? It would literally give the hunter all the power to decide the game, and we don't even know who the fuck it is. For all we know it could be Cros, and from what I've seen, I wouldn't trust him with anything, would you?



I don't want the game to be in the hand of the hunter. However, he's not the hunter. I'm just saying, in the very unlikely scenario that I'm wrong, we even have another chance of killing a wolf.

It's win/win and you know it. It's only a loss for you because you wanna be the one getting killed Smiley
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Reply #568 - 07/13/18 at 03:33:54  
no control wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:17:55:
Just vote me, np. We shouldn't waste time discussing this.

What we need to discuss is who do I shoot tonight?

Zwiebel is nothing good.

Paf was nothing good and he lied again with having a switch in mind.

Shock is done, the only question is do we believe his mason claim from before?

Tvk was all over the place, I find very hard to believe he is pro town.

1 mason is in the reserve for sure.

I'm at lunch break, will be on in 3.5 hrs.


Zoran goddamnit I'm the only one who knows you are part of the Village. Anyway, if I'm unable to convince people not to kill you, you HAVE to shoot PAF.
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Reply #569 - 07/13/18 at 03:35:44  
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:32:07:
TvK wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:28:00:
Zwiebel wrote on 07/13/18 at 02:28:40:
Voting zoran is win/win anyway, because in the very unplausible scenario that he is not wolf, he is hunter so he could take someone with him.


Anyone else thinking that this post does not compute with Zwiebel's playstyle? All game long he's been extremely confident in Zoran being a Wolf. He has spent the entire game lying all in order to implicate Zoran. And now suddenly he comes with this weak-ass post saying "yeah not sure at all but he MIGHT EVEN REALLY BE THE HUNTER". His entire case is built around Zoran NOT being the Hunter.

For good measure: here's Zwiebel saying he really doesn't want the game in the sole hands of the hunter:

Zwiebel wrote on 07/12/18 at 04:58:36:
Why would lynching the hunter be objectively good? It would literally give the hunter all the power to decide the game, and we don't even know who the fuck it is. For all we know it could be Cros, and from what I've seen, I wouldn't trust him with anything, would you?



I don't want the game to be in the hand of the hunter. However, he's not the hunter. I'm just saying, in the very unlikely scenario that I'm wrong, we even have another chance of killing a wolf.

It's win/win and you know it. It's only a loss for you because you wanna be the one getting killed Smiley


Yeah, you claim to be 99.9% sure that Zoran is a Wolf. I am 100% sure that Zoran is not a Wolf. Come on Village, go with the odds here!
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Reply #570 - 07/13/18 at 03:49:10  
TvK wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:33:54:
no control wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:17:55:
Just vote me, np. We shouldn't waste time discussing this.

What we need to discuss is who do I shoot tonight?

Zwiebel is nothing good.

Paf was nothing good and he lied again with having a switch in mind.

Shock is done, the only question is do we believe his mason claim from before?

Tvk was all over the place, I find very hard to believe he is pro town.

1 mason is in the reserve for sure.

I'm at lunch break, will be on in 3.5 hrs.


Zoran goddamnit I'm the only one who knows you are part of the Village. Anyway, if I'm unable to convince people not to kill you, you HAVE to shoot PAF.


TvK what do you think is the team? PAF starts Minion Shock starts WW other wolf role is in reserve/Cros (or maybe Zwiebel?)

What do you think of my theory that Shock started minion who claimed mason to signal wolf PAF thinking he would get CC'd?
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Reply #571 - 07/13/18 at 03:53:52  
TvK wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:33:54:
no control wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:17:55:
Just vote me, np. We shouldn't waste time discussing this.

What we need to discuss is who do I shoot tonight?

Zwiebel is nothing good.

Paf was nothing good and he lied again with having a switch in mind.

Shock is done, the only question is do we believe his mason claim from before?

Tvk was all over the place, I find very hard to believe he is pro town.

1 mason is in the reserve for sure.

I'm at lunch break, will be on in 3.5 hrs.


Zoran goddamnit I'm the only one who knows you are part of the Village. Anyway, if I'm unable to convince people not to kill you, you HAVE to shoot PAF.


IF Zoran is part of the village you're not the only one who would know lol
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Reply #572 - 07/13/18 at 03:54:51  
DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:28:23:
no control wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:17:55:
Just vote me, np. We shouldn't waste time discussing this.

What we need to discuss is who do I shoot tonight?

Zwiebel is nothing good.

Paf was nothing good and he lied again with having a switch in mind.

Shock is done, the only question is do we believe his mason claim from before?

Tvk was all over the place, I find very hard to believe he is pro town.

1 mason is in the reserve for sure.

I'm at lunch break, will be on in 3.5 hrs.


If you are actually the hunter evaluate my theory about PAF actually being wolf to start the game and Shock being minion to start the game


that's not YOUR theory that's MY theory ya fuckin PLAGIARISER
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Reply #573 - 07/13/18 at 03:56:01  
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DansGame wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:28:23:
no control wrote on 07/13/18 at 03:17:55:
Just vote me, np. We shouldn't waste time discussing this.

What we need to discuss is who do I shoot tonight?

Zwiebel is nothing good.

Paf was nothing good and he lied again with having a switch in mind.

Shock is done, the only question is do we believe his mason claim from before?

Tvk was all over the place, I find very hard to believe he is pro town.

1 mason is in the reserve for sure.

I'm at lunch break, will be on in 3.5 hrs.


If you are actually the hunter evaluate my theory about PAF actually being wolf to start the game and Shock being minion to start the game


that's not YOUR theory that's MY theory ya fuckin PLAGIARISER


What? Lol no it's not I'm the one who brought it up to you
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Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE
Reply #574 - 07/13/18 at 03:56:04  
but yeah zoran shoot paf if your hunter

vote zoran and in EITHER case of tvk or zwiebel lying we win, case closed
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