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Reply #375 - 07/12/18 at 13:10:18

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- Masons (2): The Mason wakes up at night and looks for the other Mason. If the Mason doesn't see another Mason, it means the other Mason is in the reserve. Masons are on the village team.

I don't want to refer you to anything more than this, as I hated it as host when players tried to get information from interactions with the host.

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Shock NinjaShock Offline 5698 equations solved North Carolina Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #376 - 07/12/18 at 13:10:45 Hugo wrote on 07/12/18 at 12:57:02: Shock and Zwiebel, did you have some info about the position of the cards you saw in the reserve, like "the Mason is on the right of the reserve"? That post is in response to this.
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Reply #377 - 07/12/18 at 13:17:44

Shock wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:10:18:

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- Masons (2): The Mason wakes up at night and looks for the other Mason. If the Mason doesn't see another Mason, it means the other Mason is in the reserve. Masons are on the village team.

I don't want to refer you to anything more than this, as I hated it as host when players tried to get information from interactions with the host.

Oh yeah, should've done this Lips Sealed

The Seer's description doesn't make it obvious though.

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Reply #379 - 07/12/18 at 13:39:19

holy fuck i have lots to catch up on

lemme move my setup rq and ill respond to the latest developments

few comments to start off tho

1) called tvk being full of it lol
2) isaak is a fucking retard but it strikes me as retard-village not retard-ww
3) paf is a fucking liar and doubling down, easiest win in history if he actually convinces you to sus me over him, gullible asshats

"hurr durr he claimed ferst so i hafta beweev him!"

fuck outta here

WHERES YOUR REAL REASONS TO BELIEVE HIM OVER ME HUH?????

LITERALLY I O N L Y DIDNT CLAIM HIM FIRST CUZ I WAS POSTING PET MATCHES

FUCKING HELL

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

AND I ALREADY EXPLAINED NO FEWER THAN 4 TIMES THAT I TRIED TO HOLD OFF ON MY SWAP REVEAL AT FIRST PRECISELY BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE ONE OF SOCK/PAF USELESS TO US

YOU ARE GETTING ORDER OF EVENTS BACKWARDS

WTF IS EVEN HAPPENING

back in a bit

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TvK NinjaTvK Offline drank 5510 beers Belgium Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #380 - 07/12/18 at 13:43:04 Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:39:19: WHERES YOUR REAL REASONS TO BELIEVE HIM OVER ME HUH????? The thing is that it's up to you to prove to us that you are the true Troublemaker, not up to us.
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Reply #381 - 07/12/18 at 13:44:15

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:43:04:

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:39:19:

WHERES YOUR REAL REASONS TO BELIEVE HIM OVER ME HUH?????

The thing is that it's up to you to prove to us that you are the true Troublemaker, not up to us.

AND EXACTLY HOW HAS PAF DONE THAT ANY MORE THAN IVE BEEN TRYING

THE ONLY WAY I CAN HARD-PROVE MYSELF IS BY BREAKING THE FUCKIN RULES YA DIPSHIT

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Reply #382 - 07/12/18 at 13:48:31

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:39:19:

holy fuck i
3) paf is a fucking liar and doubling down, easiest win in history if he actually convinces you to sus me over him, gullible asshats

hold on, if you do believe i was wolf and you really did switch us, then how is trying to get people to suspect you a win for me as wolf?

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Reply #383 - 07/12/18 at 13:55:06

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:44:15:

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:43:04:

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:39:19:

WHERES YOUR REAL REASONS TO BELIEVE HIM OVER ME HUH?????

The thing is that it's up to you to prove to us that you are the true Troublemaker, not up to us.

AND EXACTLY HOW HAS PAF DONE THAT ANY MORE THAN IVE BEEN TRYING

THE ONLY WAY I CAN HARD-PROVE MYSELF IS BY BREAKING THE FUCKIN RULES YA DIPSHIT

Look at all of the people who believe PAF is the real troublemaker. Whose reasoning makes them more likely to be part of the village, and who is more likely to be with the Wolves? What do you think of people just accepting that I have been lying all game long and now simply believing that I had to be a Villager after all?

I'm sorry if you said this somewhere before, but what role do you think PAF had at the beginning? Aka, the role Shock now has according to you?

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Reply #384 - 07/12/18 at 13:58:13

P.A.F.625 wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:48:31:

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:39:19:

holy fuck i
3) paf is a fucking liar and doubling down, easiest win in history if he actually convinces you to sus me over him, gullible asshats

hold on, if you do believe i was wolf and you really did switch us, then how is trying to get people to suspect you a win for me as wolf?

This is the kicker for me. If PAF were really a Wolf-aligned character, he basically knows at this point that I am Mason and Village-aligned. If he had drawn Minion or Wolf and knew you were the real TM, then it's absolutely in his best interest to quit lying at this point. But instead, he's sticking to his TM claim, which only makes sense to me if he actually were TM.

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Reply #385 - 07/12/18 at 14:00:15

paf

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if u drew wolf at first YOU ARE NOT WOLF NOW

you and ONLY you know to a reasonably high degree of confidence that IM NOT LYING because YOU KNOW that YOU ARE LYING

IF U DREW WOLF NOW AND SOCK WAS NOT ALSO W ALIGNED THEN COME CLEAN

IF U CONTINUE TO DOUBLE-DOWN ON YOUR LIE YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE US LOSE

if on the other hand you keep lying I'm pegging you as 100% w regardless of switch, insomuch that either you're wolf and dont believe me so are still CLAIMING, or that sock drew wolf and that role now belongs to you, or that both YOU AND SOCK are w-aligned and sock is LYING about HIS claim TOO

WELLL???????

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Reply #386 - 07/12/18 at 14:01:53

Shock wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:58:13:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:48:31:

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:39:19:

holy fuck i
3) paf is a fucking liar and doubling down, easiest win in history if he actually convinces you to sus me over him, gullible asshats

hold on, if you do believe i was wolf and you really did switch us, then how is trying to get people to suspect you a win for me as wolf?

This is the kicker for me. If PAF were really a Wolf-aligned character, he basically knows at this point that I am Mason and Village-aligned. If he had drawn Minion or Wolf and knew you were the real TM, then it's absolutely in his best interest to quit lying at this point. But instead, he's sticking to his TM claim, which only makes sense to me if he actually were TM.

no its blatantly obvious to ME that he sees everyone believing HIM over ME for NO REAL REASON and is just sticking to that to drive home a me-mislynch

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Reply #387 - 07/12/18 at 14:02:49

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:55:06:

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:44:15:

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:43:04:

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:39:19:

WHERES YOUR REAL REASONS TO BELIEVE HIM OVER ME HUH?????

The thing is that it's up to you to prove to us that you are the true Troublemaker, not up to us.

AND EXACTLY HOW HAS PAF DONE THAT ANY MORE THAN IVE BEEN TRYING

THE ONLY WAY I CAN HARD-PROVE MYSELF IS BY BREAKING THE FUCKIN RULES YA DIPSHIT

Look at all of the people who believe PAF is the real troublemaker. Whose reasoning makes them more likely to be part of the village, and who is more likely to be with the Wolves? What do you think of people just accepting that I have been lying all game long and now simply believing that I had to be a Villager after all?

I'm sorry if you said this somewhere before, but what role do you think PAF had at the beginning? Aka, the role Shock now has according to you?

ill get to all that when i go back and respond sequentially then after ive done that and will respond with more summarising comments

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Shock NinjaShock Offline 5698 equations solved North Carolina Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #388 - 07/12/18 at 14:05:49 Also, in retrospect, thinking about what I would do if I had drawn wolf or minion: your best interest is to cause chaos and not allow people to figure things out by creating a whole web of "if... then... but what if... then... however.... F%&$*!!!" which seems to be exactly what Leone is trying to do.
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P.A.F.625 King Offline ate 3923 donuts Portugal Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #389 - 07/12/18 at 14:13:38 Leone, none of that matters, you didn't get my point. According to you, you believe I'm on the good side now, so how is setting your mislynch a win for me? That felt like a slip. Also " I'm pegging you as 100% w regardless of switch"...
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Reply #390 - 07/12/18 at 14:17:51

P.A.F.625 wrote on 07/12/18 at 14:13:38:

Leone, none of that matters, you didn't get my point. According to you, you believe I'm on the good side now, so how is setting your mislynch a win for me? That felt like a slip.
Also " I'm pegging you as 100% w regardless of switch"...

paf i honestly dont know what the fuck your game is, why youre lying and continuing to lie

whatever you drew at first youre not that anymore

and your doubling down makes me think that youre still w somehow

also now socks tryna grasp at straws to tunnel on me, nice

looks like i swapped 2 w-alignees or someshit

again gonna get to the rest of pages 9 onwards when im back on pc, stuck on mobile rn

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Shock NinjaShock Offline 5698 equations solved North Carolina Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #392 - 07/12/18 at 14:22:04 Nah Leone, you're the one who's tunneling hard on trying to prove yourself as a TM instead of Wolf-hunting and saying anything regarding Zoran, for instance, as far as I can tell.
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Reply #393 - 07/12/18 at 14:34:16

Shock wrote on 07/12/18 at 14:18:55:

Leone, how do you feel about a Zoran vote?

from what I read so far he claimed hunter then zweeb countere
I'm 65/35 in favor of that vote

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>Zoran truth, hunter -> he knows timur lying, votes him, us killing Zoran kills w timur, we win
>Zoran lies, w -> we vote zoran, he dies w, we win
>Zoran lies, minion ->we vote zoran, he dies min and w more likely to win

mathematically he's more likely w
interactions aren't conclusively one or another to me, I neither believe nor disbelieve his claim, but I am more inclined to believe timur, gut feeling only tho

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Reply #394 - 07/12/18 at 14:35:36

Shock wrote on 07/12/18 at 14:22:04:

Nah Leone, you're the one who's tunneling hard on trying to prove yourself as a TM instead of Wolf-hunting and saying anything regarding Zoran, for instance, as far as I can tell.

will get to that shit in more detail when off mobile, I'm getting enraged trying to type anything

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Reply #395 - 07/12/18 at 14:36:30

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:55:06:

What do you think of people just accepting that I have been lying all game long and now simply believing that I had to be a Villager after all?

I originally asked Leone this question but I actually want everyone to answer this. Why do you believe my Villager claim without any hestitation? I had literally been lying since the very first post I made this game and the moment I get "caught" and change my story, everybody is happy with that. It at least expected a little questioning from anyone, but apparently everyone is happy with being lied to.

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Reply #396 - 07/12/18 at 14:36:58

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 14:34:16:

Shock wrote on 07/12/18 at 14:18:55:

Leone, how do you feel about a Zoran vote?

from what I read so far he claimed hunter then zweeb countere
I'm 65/35 in favor of that vote

lemme splan

>Zoran truth, hunter -> he knows timur lying, votes him, us killing Zoran kills w timur, we win
>Zoran lies, w -> we vote zoran, he dies w, we win
>Zoran lies, minion ->we vote zoran, he dies min and w more likely to win

mathematically he's more likely w
interactions aren't conclusively one or another to me, I neither believe nor disbelieve his claim, but I am more inclined to believe timur, gut feeling only tho

also could be h and zweeb min I guess but this is the least likely scenario probabilistically

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Reply #397 - 07/12/18 at 14:38:11

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 14:36:30:

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:55:06:

What do you think of people just accepting that I have been lying all game long and now simply believing that I had to be a Villager after all?

I originally asked Leone this question but I actually want everyone to answer this. Why do you believe my Villager claim without any hestitation? I had literally been lying since the very first post I made this game and the moment I get "caught" and change my story, everybody is happy with that. It at least expected a little questioning from anyone, but apparently everyone is happy with being lied to.

I don't believe either claim fully but I'll get to that in a bit

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Leone Titan Offline Curious. 4390 days karting København, soon Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #398 - 07/12/18 at 14:41:04 my top vote pick is paf rn, to be clear Dan then sock/zoran both up there then tvk yes I did finish skimming back no I'm not on pc yet so not expounding, hang on a few min fuck mobile "keyboards"
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Reply #399 - 07/12/18 at 14:42:49

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 14:36:30:

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 13:55:06:

What do you think of people just accepting that I have been lying all game long and now simply believing that I had to be a Villager after all?

I originally asked Leone this question but I actually want everyone to answer this. Why do you believe my Villager claim without any hestitation? I had literally been lying since the very first post I made this game and the moment I get "caught" and change my story, everybody is happy with that. It at least expected a little questioning from anyone, but apparently everyone is happy with being lied to.

I believe Timur, meaning both Villager cards are in play. Dan's behavior is very consistent with initially drawing a Wolf-aligned role at beginning of game, making your Villager claim believable to me.

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