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Reply #100 - 07/11/18 at 17:31:39

Shock wrote on 07/11/18 at 17:13:23:

Leone wrote on 07/11/18 at 16:44:24:

why do you for a second buy tvk's "outing" of cros zoran

only in a universe COMPLETELY DEVOID of intelligence does TVK mistake his role as v!-aligned and OUT BOTH HIS SCUMBUDDIES

Because TvK believed he had (very likely) been swapped into v!Dan and had gamesolve-level intelligence to share about the other side. Basically, he found himself in any SPY's absolute wet dream.

Assuming PAF wasn't lying. Which also, at the time, seemed pretty unlikely to all of us, given how all-or-nothing with a much higher chance of nothing is as a w!aligned play.

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ok so since im on the subject

thoughts on this???

Leone wrote on 07/11/18 at 14:09:07:

possibilities that jumped to mind

1) minion!tvk does this and is too dumb to realize minion is wolf-aligned and outed both scumbuddies
2) minion!tvk outs self as minion and fake-reveals zoran and cros
3) wolf!tvk fake-outs as minion by looking like 1) or 2)
4) tanner!tvk does this to try and look like 1) 2) or 3)

no way v!tvk does that claim as far as I can tell Grin

which makes the most sense to you?????

How on earth do you not understand that TvK believed (I think correctly, still) he had swapped alignments from Wolf team to Village team? If he believes he is now Village thanks to Dan's role, he has 0 reason to lie about Zoran and Cros.

oh

...ohhhhh....

Shocked

dont tell me

wait

did paf ACTUALLY trick TVK into ratting out his entire fucking team then????? Cheesy

DAYUM

if thats the case then who cares why paf lied we have our Ws right here unless thievery or other such blatantly obvious weirdness my awake-since-1am-brain (which is apparently incapable of doing the whole other peoples' perspectives thing Tongue

) could be missing might have happened...!!

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cros107 Elite Offline needs to stop karting at 3am 3193 days karting Melbourne, Australia Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #101 - 07/11/18 at 19:02:54 Leone wrote on 07/11/18 at 17:06:30: WHERE THE FUCK ARE CROS AND ZORAN DID THEY FORGET THEY EXIST IN THE GAME?????!?!?!?!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here I am I dont know what the strategy is here but I can confirm a couple of claims in this thread are wrong lol Then again, I guess that's to be expected.
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Reply #102 - 07/11/18 at 21:20:10

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Reply #104 - 07/12/18 at 01:29:24

cros107 wrote on 07/11/18 at 19:02:54:

Leone wrote on 07/11/18 at 17:06:30:

WHERE THE FUCK ARE CROS AND ZORAN DID THEY FORGET THEY EXIST IN THE GAME?????!?!?!?!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here I am

I dont know what the strategy is here but I can confirm a couple of claims in this thread are wrong lol

Then again, I guess that's to be expected.

Which claims are wrong?

You pretty much have to say that TvK's claim is wrong. Who else claimed something wrong to you?

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Reply #106 - 07/12/18 at 02:08:22

cros107 wrote on 07/11/18 at 19:02:54:

Leone wrote on 07/11/18 at 17:06:30:

WHERE THE FUCK ARE CROS AND ZORAN DID THEY FORGET THEY EXIST IN THE GAME?????!?!?!?!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here I am

I dont know what the strategy is here but I can confirm a couple of claims in this thread are wrong lol

Then again, I guess that's to be expected.

It would help us a lot if you shared the information of whose claim you think is false. And when you say you expect there to be falso claims, how do you think wolves/minion/tanner will fakeclaim? Do you expect them to wait and counterclaim or do you expect them to come out of the gates and fakeclaim right then.

Keeping that in mind, who do you believe is the real troublemaker? PAF or Leone? Or are they both lying?

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Reply #107 - 07/12/18 at 02:09:02

Ok so here's a summarisation of what we know so far

Dan - likely was the drunk, ergo it's likely one of the cards at center is the drunk card
Paf - lied about being TM (it's me), even if he is TM by having robbed me no swap would have occurred
Isaak - claimed villager
TvK - claimed minion for whatever reason
me - TM, I swapped Sock and PAF because I think ik enough about their playstyles from history playing with them/reading games with them to sniff out if one's scummy (and I struck gold LOL)
Kleenex - no claim
Zwiebel - claimed seer, if he's being truthful he's waiting for more claims before he reveals his "sees"
Shock - no claim
Zoran - NOWHERE TO BE FOUND Sad

cros - no claim

kleenex sock cros zoran your claims pls?????

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Reply #108 - 07/12/18 at 02:11:08

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 02:08:22:

cros107 wrote on 07/11/18 at 19:02:54:

Leone wrote on 07/11/18 at 17:06:30:

WHERE THE FUCK ARE CROS AND ZORAN DID THEY FORGET THEY EXIST IN THE GAME?????!?!?!?!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here I am

I dont know what the strategy is here but I can confirm a couple of claims in this thread are wrong lol

Then again, I guess that's to be expected.

It would help us a lot if you shared the information of whose claim you think is false. And when you say you expect there to be falso claims, how do you think wolves/minion/tanner will fakeclaim? Do you expect them to wait and counterclaim or do you expect them to come out of the gates and fakeclaim right then.

Keeping that in mind, who do you believe is the real troublemaker? PAF or Leone? Or are they both lying?

hey hi what're your thoughts on why sock has dodged every request for a roleclaim so far? he even said "lets wait" to zweeeebell right after I called out paf's bullshit

what do you think he's hiding

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Reply #109 - 07/12/18 at 02:14:14

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 02:11:08:

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 02:08:22:

cros107 wrote on 07/11/18 at 19:02:54:

Leone wrote on 07/11/18 at 17:06:30:

WHERE THE FUCK ARE CROS AND ZORAN DID THEY FORGET THEY EXIST IN THE GAME?????!?!?!?!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here I am

I dont know what the strategy is here but I can confirm a couple of claims in this thread are wrong lol

Then again, I guess that's to be expected.

It would help us a lot if you shared the information of whose claim you think is false. And when you say you expect there to be falso claims, how do you think wolves/minion/tanner will fakeclaim? Do you expect them to wait and counterclaim or do you expect them to come out of the gates and fakeclaim right then.

Keeping that in mind, who do you believe is the real troublemaker? PAF or Leone? Or are they both lying?

hey hi what're your thoughts on why sock has dodged every request for a roleclaim so far? he even said "lets wait" to zweeeebell right after I called out paf's bullshit

what do you think he's hiding

to clarify, unclaimed V!roles are

mason (ZERO reason to hide that)
robber (not sure why hed hide that unless he robbed a W)
other villager (no reason to hide that either)
hunter (I imagine this role would try to gamesolve on their own and try to look scummy so they can take a wolf down with them?)

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Reply #110 - 07/12/18 at 02:19:06

Leone wrote on 07/12/18 at 02:11:08:

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 02:08:22:

cros107 wrote on 07/11/18 at 19:02:54:

Leone wrote on 07/11/18 at 17:06:30:

WHERE THE FUCK ARE CROS AND ZORAN DID THEY FORGET THEY EXIST IN THE GAME?????!?!?!?!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here I am

I dont know what the strategy is here but I can confirm a couple of claims in this thread are wrong lol

Then again, I guess that's to be expected.

It would help us a lot if you shared the information of whose claim you think is false. And when you say you expect there to be falso claims, how do you think wolves/minion/tanner will fakeclaim? Do you expect them to wait and counterclaim or do you expect them to come out of the gates and fakeclaim right then.

Keeping that in mind, who do you believe is the real troublemaker? PAF or Leone? Or are they both lying?

hey hi what're your thoughts on why sock has dodged every request for a roleclaim so far? he even said "lets wait" to zweeeebell right after I called out paf's bullshit

what do you think he's hiding

With the information I have, the only thing I can think about is that Shock had the drunk role at the beginning of the game and he's not 100% on my and PAF's claims and still believes he might have drawn a wolf-aligned role.

The other possibilities are he's Mason. I don't think it would make sense to hide this. He might have been masons together with Dan, but if that's the case, that should clear me. He could be a Villager. Again no point in hiding that. If he's the Robber and he robbed me or Dan, he should have said that already. It would make zero sense to not say he was the Robber if he robbed either you or PAF, cause that's major. I can't see him being Tanner. And yeah, he might be the Hunter, waiting to claim until people are declaring they would vote hom. I actually am quite unsure on what the best strategy as Hunter is.

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TvK NinjaTvK Offline helped 5510 people Belgium Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #111 - 07/12/18 at 02:20:22 And yeah I do agree with you that hiding roles/information is not the right course of action right now. As far as I see it, the only faction benefiting from withholding information are the wolves.
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cros107 Elite Offline needs to stop karting at 3am hit 3193 moles Melbourne, Australia Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #112 - 07/12/18 at 02:24:22 I was robber, robbed the drunk.
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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 days karting	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #113 - 07/12/18 at 02:25:35 cros107 wrote on 07/12/18 at 02:24:22: I was robber, robbed the drunk. Who did you rob and who else's claim is a lie to you?
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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 days karting	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #114 - 07/12/18 at 02:48:34 Lol @everyone pussyfooting with their claims except for PAF and TvK
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cros107 Elite Offline needs to stop karting at 3am 3193 days karting Melbourne, Australia Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #115 - 07/12/18 at 02:50:23 I robbed Kleenex. Can't find the post for some reason but someone claimed he was something other than robber.
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Reply #116 - 07/12/18 at 03:00:00

cros107 wrote on 07/12/18 at 02:50:23:

I robbed Kleenex. Can't find the post for some reason but someone claimed he was something other than robber.

Can you be a bit more specific? "Someone" claimed "he" was "something other" than robber? Can you clarifify the someone, the he and the something other? The topic is only 5 pages long, it shouldn't be too hard to find what you are looking for, even though I myself can't remember to see something like that either. Anyway, if so, why did you decide to rob Kleenex?

And a lot of other things have been going on. PAF and Leone both claimed the same role. Who do you believe is the real troublemaker? I believe PAF is the real troublemaker and I also called you and Zoran a wolf because of it. Don't you have any response to that?

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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! helped 3358 people	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #117 - 07/12/18 at 03:01:47 That's funny because I robbed Zoran who was a mason. I guess maybe TvK is the real minion and possibly outed one partner but not the other one. Just gotta hope that Leone wasn't lying about being the real TM now lol.
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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 holabolas	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #118 - 07/12/18 at 03:11:52 Talk about wheels turning, now TvK is scrambling since he knows he's in trouble.
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TvK NinjaTvK Offline 5510 days karting Belgium Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #119 - 07/12/18 at 04:29:35 I see no need to scramble at this moment. You are the minion, so claiming robber and protecting your wolfbuddy Zoran makes perfect sense to me. Hopefully a real Mason can claim as soon he comes in here to confirm this. I think we got this one in the bag, village.
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Reply #120 - 07/12/18 at 04:31:00

So, we have 2 Robber claims and 2 TM claims?

As I see it, there are not that many roles that would lie about their role:

1) Werewolf / Minion. Obviously.
2) Tanner. Obvious as well.
3) Robber/Drunk in certain situations. However, as one of the counterclaims is Robber, there's a high chance that one of them says the truth. So we can scratch Robber from that list. As a drunk, the optimal play would probably to wait out and try to figure out the own alignment on the way, I don't think claiming(esp. counterclaiming) is something a drunk would do so early.

So that leaves Werewolf/Minion/Tanner to fake claim.

If my logic is correct, I believe that one out of both pairs PAF/Leone and Cros/Dan has to be either Wolf/Minion or Tanner. Thing is, I know for a fact that none of them thinks he's the tanner. Because I scanned the tanner.

That means one out of PAF/Leone and Cros/Dan is Wolf or Minion.

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Reply #121 - 07/12/18 at 04:32:51

TvK wrote on 07/12/18 at 04:29:35:

I see no need to scramble at this moment. You are the minion, so claiming robber and protecting your wolfbuddy Zoran makes perfect sense to me. Hopefully a real Mason can claim as soon he comes in here to confirm this. I think we got this one in the bag, village.

Why did it take you an hour to come up with that?

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Reply #122 - 07/12/18 at 04:33:50

Zwiebel wrote on 07/12/18 at 04:31:00:

So, we have 2 Robber claims and 2 TM claims?

As I see it, there are not that many roles that would lie about their role:

1) Werewolf / Minion. Obviously.
2) Tanner. Obvious as well.
3) Robber/Drunk in certain situations. However, as one of the counterclaims is Robber, there's a high chance that one of them says the truth. So we can scratch Robber from that list. As a drunk, the optimal play would probably to wait out and try to figure out the own alignment on the way, I don't think claiming(esp. counterclaiming) is something a drunk would do so early.

So that leaves Werewolf/Minion/Tanner to fake claim.

If my logic is correct, I believe that one out of both pairs PAF/Leone and Cros/Dan has to be either Wolf/Minion or Tanner. Thing is, I know for a fact that none of them thinks he's the tanner. Because I scanned the tanner.

That means one out of PAF/Leone and Cros/Dan is Wolf or Minion.

Hunter is also a role that would fake claim

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Reply #123 - 07/12/18 at 04:37:09

DansGame wrote on 07/12/18 at 04:33:50:

Zwiebel wrote on 07/12/18 at 04:31:00:

So, we have 2 Robber claims and 2 TM claims?

As I see it, there are not that many roles that would lie about their role:

1) Werewolf / Minion. Obviously.
2) Tanner. Obvious as well.
3) Robber/Drunk in certain situations. However, as one of the counterclaims is Robber, there's a high chance that one of them says the truth. So we can scratch Robber from that list. As a drunk, the optimal play would probably to wait out and try to figure out the own alignment on the way, I don't think claiming(esp. counterclaiming) is something a drunk would do so early.

So that leaves Werewolf/Minion/Tanner to fake claim.

If my logic is correct, I believe that one out of both pairs PAF/Leone and Cros/Dan has to be either Wolf/Minion or Tanner. Thing is, I know for a fact that none of them thinks he's the tanner. Because I scanned the tanner.

That means one out of PAF/Leone and Cros/Dan is Wolf or Minion.

Hunter is also a role that would fake claim

No. And I would advise, if a hunter is in this game, DO NOT fake claim. You're supposed to hunt wolves with us, not make urself look scummy. Esp with a counterclaim that's not true.

We can solve this game easily if all Town aligned roles just tell the truth

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Zwiebel Legend Offline Kmaccy-Fan 6670 days karting Stuttgart Gender:	Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf! DAY PHASE Reply #124 - 07/12/18 at 04:40:32 Also it's long overdue everyone claims his role. No need to wait any longer, if you waited for strategic reasons you have waited long enough. Also I hope Zoran will get modkilled if he doesn't post
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