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Reply #75 - 12/18/17 at 14:06:54
 
^Yup, you're right. So we already have an objection to getting this done quickly. I still don't understand why haven't other people posted their opinions??
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Reply #76 - 12/18/17 at 15:07:28
 
The majority of people who are mkw players that visit this forum on a regular basis have already voiced their opinions. What we really need to do is move this discussion to a location that's feasible for people from both mkboards and this forum. The vast majority of people on mkboards don't have accounts on this forum let alone even visit it from time to time as a guest. I feel like we could be getting a lot more discussion on this topic if we did something like this
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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:
Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

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Reply #77 - 01/27/18 at 08:15:30
 
So not much discussion has happened in a while.  Is it time to make a decision and cast a vote?  Otherwise this will be forgotten until another scenario comes up like Hibiki's and we'll wonder why we never made a decision.
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Reply #78 - 01/27/18 at 12:19:44
 
cant just have this here. Post this on mkb, if you want results
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Reply #79 - 01/27/18 at 15:31:17
 
I don't see an issue starting the first vote. We can have 1.0 vs 1.1 vs 3.X as I mentioned before on the previous page; then if 3.X wins, we do 3.0 vs 3.1 etc etc. To avoid rushing, the pole could be open for a very long period of time. Something like 2 - 3 months. This will give enough time for everyone to spread the word and get others to cast a vote.

@Spec Ye mkboards users should probably have their own thread for voting. Idk how that would work with the voting results here. Do votes get summarized together into one big final result? Do the mkboards voting results not effect the MKWPP side of things? Obviously, their site has nothing to do with anything here whatsoever. I asked this because the main purpose of this entire ordeal was to have mkwpp and mkwrs utilize same ruleset.
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Reply #80 - 01/28/18 at 07:05:20
 
Spec wrote on 01/27/18 at 12:19:44:
cant just have this here. Post this on mkb, if you want results


Well mkb already has separate rules from mkwrs so they're irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Everybody in the TT community heard about the issue with Hibiki so if they chose to not voice their opinion here then it is what it is.  Of course, they can still come here and vote on the choices though.  

@zach yeah I think that's a really solid way to do it.
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Reply #81 - 01/28/18 at 07:19:00
 
MKchouy93 wrote on 01/28/18 at 07:05:20:
Spec wrote on 01/27/18 at 12:19:44:
cant just have this here. Post this on mkb, if you want results


Well mkb already has separate rules from mkwrs so they're irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Well Blaze is pretty much the only person in the community who updates mkwrs now, and I'm sure he'll side with people on mkb opposed to here in future issues like this
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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:
Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

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Reply #82 - 01/28/18 at 11:18:55
 
We can always just agree to disagree. Personally, I believe hibiki is legit even though we have no substantial proof; to each their own I suppose.
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Reply #83 - 01/29/18 at 13:30:28
 
Spec wrote on 01/28/18 at 11:18:55:
We can always just agree to disagree. Personally, I believe hibiki is legit even though we have no substantial proof; to each their own I suppose.


It's not whether we think he's legit or not, we're just trying to decide the rules and see if people feel it's outdated now.  Pretty sure like 90% of the community thinks Hibiki is legit anyways.  The rest of us just want to know if we're free to TT with custom music or not as well since Hibiki isn't a special case where he gets his own personalized ruleset.
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Reply #84 - 01/30/18 at 07:01:45
 
MKchouy93 wrote on 01/29/18 at 13:30:28:
Spec wrote on 01/28/18 at 11:18:55:
We can always just agree to disagree. Personally, I believe hibiki is legit even though we have no substantial proof; to each their own I suppose.


It's not whether we think he's legit or not, we're just trying to decide the rules and see if people feel it's outdated now.  Pretty sure like 90% of the community thinks Hibiki is legit anyways.  The rest of us just want to know if we're free to TT with custom music or not as well since Hibiki isn't a special case where he gets his own personalized ruleset.


Exactly! There should be no discrimination nor 'cherry-picking' when it comes to any type of ruleset. Everybody is equal under the rules. That is the exact reason why I disagree with Barney being on mkwrs.com.

Anyway getting back on topic, I am wanting to start the vote for at least the MKWPP side of things. There hasn't been any mkwrs.com admins posting here recently. It would be pointless though if lets say, we do the vote (for just MKWPP), we get a new rule change but then we're back to square one... Ye we got a rule change but our rules will still differ than the rules of mkwrs.com.



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Reply #85 - 02/01/18 at 12:41:14
 
heres my final two cents.

I consider the WR to be the fastest time drove that has proof it is legitimate. Ex: I believe Barney is world record holder. Ex-cheater or not the fastest is the fastest, and if it is real their is no denying that.

WRs must be set in CTGP now in my opinion. Whether you want to be mr. coolguy and tt offline or not, I really think CTGP should be the standard for all future records - of course, this brings up japans situation. I am not sure how active the tt community is in Japan currently, but I feel like if you can get a WR you are likely aware enough to have CTGP. Surely some community members can do some basic translation for them, too.

Currently, your ghost won't be saved with Mystuff on or No sound. I'm unaware of what bean can do, but I personally loved to use no sound until I realised it wouldn't count.

TL;DR: For future records, they must be set in CTGP - no exceptions no matter what country you are from.
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Reply #86 - 02/01/18 at 15:05:31
 
Spec wrote on 02/01/18 at 12:41:14:
TL;DR: For future records, they must be set in CTGP - no exceptions no matter what country you are from.


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Reply #87 - 02/02/18 at 20:20:26
 
Spec wrote on 02/01/18 at 12:41:14:
heres my final two cents.

I consider the WR to be the fastest time drove that has proof it is legitimate. Ex: I believe Barney is world record holder. Ex-cheater or not the fastest is the fastest, and if it is real their is no denying that.

WRs must be set in CTGP now in my opinion. Whether you want to be mr. coolguy and tt offline or not, I really think CTGP should be the standard for all future records - of course, this brings up japans situation. I am not sure how active the tt community is in Japan currently, but I feel like if you can get a WR you are likely aware enough to have CTGP. Surely some community members can do some basic translation for them, too.

Currently, your ghost won't be saved with Mystuff on or No sound. I'm unaware of what bean can do, but I personally loved to use no sound until I realised it wouldn't count.

TL;DR: For future records, they must be set in CTGP - no exceptions no matter what country you are from.


There's already been discussion about forcing CTGP-only rule. While it looks pretty from a first glance, CTGP can always get hacked in the future. There's always a chance Bean/Chadderz discontinue CTGP way down the road. Plus, there's a stream protocol guide in one of the sticky threads which is 100% unhackable, we just use CTGP as our first option because it makes everything so convenient. Set it on CTGP? Good to go. Not set on CTGP? Well as long as the stream protocol is followed, good to go still.
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Reply #88 - 02/03/18 at 00:28:07
 
Spec wrote on 02/01/18 at 12:41:14:
heres my final two cents.

WRs must be set in CTGP now in my opinion. Whether you want to be mr. coolguy and tt offline or not, I really think CTGP should be the standard for all future records - of course, this brings up japans situation. I am not sure how active the tt community is in Japan currently, but I feel like if you can get a WR you are likely aware enough to have CTGP. Surely some community members can do some basic translation for them, too.


In an ideal world, everyone would be using CTGP, but it's a shame that Wii disc drives are so poorly made. A pretty large chunk of Wiis eventually lose the ability to read discs, so there are a lot of MKW players who have to use USB Loader (CTGP was programmed to be made incompatible with it to prevent cheaters).
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Reply #89 - 02/05/18 at 09:35:01
 
Oh my god, people are trying to get WRs with custom music again? Chouy, shut the fuck up. Grin

Custom music makes you race the track differently. Read what Jascha said (I’d quote it but I’m lazy)– if you want to listen to your own music while playing, you can fucking mute your TV while playing the music you want. That’s what legit players do, not hack their fucking game to inject different music. Grin

Jesus Christ this community is retarded.

Fox’s and the Jap’s WRs, if they’re still on the site, should be removed. Don’t fucking hack the game. If it didn’t give you an advantage, YOU WOULDN’T FUCKING DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. They’re not legitimate runs.
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Reply #90 - 02/05/18 at 11:10:06
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 02/05/18 at 09:35:01:
Oh my god, people are trying to get WRs with custom music again? Chouy, shut the fuck up. Grin

Custom music makes you race the track differently. Read what Jascha said (I’d quote it but I’m lazy)– if you want to listen to your own music while playing, you can fucking mute your TV while playing the music you want. That’s what legit players do, not hack their fucking game to inject different music. Grin

Jesus Christ this community is retarded.

Fox’s and the Jap’s WRs, if they’re still on the site, should be removed. Don’t fucking hack the game. If it didn’t give you an advantage, YOU WOULDN’T FUCKING DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. They’re not legitimate runs.


Fox's 2:09.9 BC was removed awhile ago by me, his older 2:10.0 time is on his sheet. Hibiki, the jap, isn't on the MKWPP.
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