Hey I'm randomly awake going back to sleep right after this. I just kinda glanced at the Near claim wondered if it was a fake claim at all. But skimmed through it planning to look at it later. That's why I had him as no lean...

Yeah it looks legit, especially the way he did it where he hinted at it with the puzzle thing then pointed it out later. Kinda interesting, I don't think a fake claim would be done like that. So yeah it looks good. Diogo a town lean.

ZORAN

1st 3 posts asks diamond, zoran abt alaks idea w/o giving opinion of his own

38, 45 - against alak's thing cuz "wat if town fucks it up?" (this opinion emerges after timur lays down his initial rebuttal)

52 - asks abt town nolynch

59 - sucks alak's dick like it was scripture  

66 - DODGES alask's question, this pings my scumdar big-time

71 - literally repeats question from 52

75 - dodges alak's question AGAIN by saying "not by job to defend timur" DAS NOT WHAT HE ASKED U TO DO

82 - votes harambey for saying "i wont anser your questions!"

dude you fuckin realize that would be like the stupidest shit possible for maf to even say right? this feels like yer tryna get ez lynch

96 - pushes diogo for reads

143 - presses harambey, doesn't directly address criticisms levied against him

144 -

no control wrote on 11/20/17 at 12:58:49:


this whole interaction just feels... off

219 - builds a case against etch based on etch's "just let inactives die" shit, votes for him then demands others vote

this really feels like hes tryna build a wagon here

222 - "nice reaction"? scumdar ping again

224 - dodges etch's criticism with a smarmy remark

229 - misreads etch's reckless sarcasm (thats how i read that interaction anyway)

231 - asks diogo "who should die" as if hes lookin for another lynch option

236 - says no-lynch would be stupid (the math says lynching is most likely to result in tf dead, he doesnt bother to respond to that point)

240 - misses etchs sarcasm again?

320 - town leans haram diogo alak, no reasoning

GENERAL TAKE ON ZORAN

he's tunneled on noobs, demanded action w/o contributing reads/opinions of his own aside from "claiming=bad", and alot of wat i see looks real off

light-to-moderate ki lean on this mofo

up there with paf in scumminess

LewisRichards wrote on 11/21/17 at 02:12:14:

TYG missing this fact all the way up to now makes me think he’s not KF. KF would be discussing the claims in private and they’d know that Diogo claimed Near, it wouldn’t take this long to figure out.

Leone wrote on 11/21/17 at 02:16:51:

Zoran could be anything. He hasn’t done anything that makes me think he’s TF.

Slight TF lean on Leone right now. 60% at most. What does “rxn” mean?

@harambey 306

Switching playstyles I just feel is scummy cuz a town playstyle just comes more naturally to people and there's usually a nice consistency as where as some maf usually don't know how to act and change from aggressive to passive n stuff.

Ummmmm Alak made some good points about you and I also missed Shock's post about your postcount... so yeah I don't want to lynch you right now.

Pleeeeeaaaaaassseeeeeee don't take anything in this game personally. I'm 100% sure no one will think of you differently as a person based off of mafia play. Some players like to play a little more aggressively others like to play passively. There are merits to both styles for sure.


I do think answering every question is important because mafia starts at an information advantage and asking and answering each other's questions are how we can try and close that information gap.

Sooooo yeah don't take anything personally and try and have fun the rest of the game cuz that's what it's for.

quick intermission, some reads

tf leans

diogo - strong tf lean, dat claim real ballsy, ez for real near to counterclaim if its fake
haram - moderate tf lean, active and noobish and easily offended lol (by the way son, fuck your offense, control your ovaries ya li'l bitch, emotion just clouds your judgement)

alak - either tf or neutral, mello could be either imo based on character arc
etch - very very slight tf lean, close to null
isaak - sligjt tf lean
vinnie - slight tf lean, EXTREMELY STRONG RETARD LEAN
tyg - slight tf lean mostly stemming from moderate retard lean

diamond - null, havent looked at his shit
sock - null, he could be doin this shit as anything imo
timur - negative side of null
bray - null, not alot of content

paf - slight kira lean (timing, post content, re see my wall above)
zoran - moderate kira lean

das where im at rn, most shit is slight to moderate except my retard-o-meter, which is pickin up activity like a seismograph by an erupting volcano

Reads:

Task Force
ALAKTORN 100%
Diogo 100%
Harambey 75–80%
TYG 60% (either this or Neutral)
Leone/Vinnie 55% (either this or Neutral)

Undecided, not in order
Shock
Zoran
Diamond
Etch
IsaaK
PAF

Kira Faction
Timur 99%
B.Ray 55% – purely by his low post count

also the "low posters=mafia" wasnt true by default last game couple games, honestly from what I observe in meta, post count fluctuates more from outside forcings than frominternal forcings (eg, irl shit vs ingame shit)

i like to target high-posters cuz its easier for them to be taken for granted as tf due to "oh theyre active, no suspicion here" when in reality they could be manipulating entire arcs of conversation (re tvk when he was maf)

also its ez to target low-posters, less shit to dig through to find mistakes (eg zoran last game, went unnoticed largely due to sheer volume of post content)

Leone wrote on 11/21/17 at 02:36:45:

You mention Maf!TvK and (I think?) Maf!Zoran having high post counts. That’s irrelevant, we know they’re some of the best players here who can pull that off as Mafia. A noob Mafia will never try to lead conversations, that’s too scary. I don’t recall any game where post count wasn’t indicative of alignment, but I didn’t play in every single game we’ve had.

DIAMOMND, jst to get a clearer picture of him

memevote on etch, unvotes, votes tyg cuz low-post, interspersed w/ one-line questions

is this lackluster activity typical of diamond? he's relly not contributed a whole lot

if any1's coached, its this li'l fuckpuppet

dark side of null read on style alone, his content is realllllly ez to come up with as any alignbment

fuck meant to add paf to that list, he looks bad imo, mind coming up w/ a read on him too?

OK I’m a bit tired at everyone ignoring Timur. I’ve given you enough time to do your own things, now it’s time to answer my question. Question to everyone: in what world does not-Kira-aligned Timur vote for me in the first page and keep his vote, after I claimed a main character that is anti-Kira? Nobody else throughout the game has voted for me– you clearly all agree lynching a claimed Mello is a stupid idea. Why are you not attacking Timur for it, then?

Harambey180 wrote on 11/21/17 at 01:53:59:

What kind of Neutral would want to lynch a claimed Mello? Jester? Something else? If you can’t answer this question, you can’t consider him a Neutral.
Also, I asked you before: how much do you know about Death Note?

We need to wagon Timur and force him to character claim. I can already tell he’s gonna say some random nobody.

Edit: (not an edit) @Leone: Etch hasn’t contributed anything, I don’t have a read. Shock is sick, so he has an excuse for not being super active (which he would be as TF). I haven’t looked much at PAF.

ALAKTORN wrote on 11/21/17 at 02:59:27:


could be for reaction/pressure, and also why would kira-aligned timur put himself in the spotlight by voting for you like that? he could just as oppose your idea w/o voting for you. I feel like your suspicion is largely driven by him voting you, and yeah sure he could be maf tryna pick off a big target but then, that's an unnecessarily risky play for him if he's k-aligned... am i missing a thing here?

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and if he doesn't? and another scumlean of ours counter-claims? then what? it'd be real easy for kira to fuck with your plan by fake-counterclaiming real claims then trying to manipulate the populace

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wat about etch's sudden vote on zoran then? it was right after zoran voted him lol