IsaaK. wrote on 11/25/17 at 00:31:36:

I’m not sure how you missed it but I saida at the start of D2 that I misread my role PM, I only had 1 shot. I’m vanilla now.

IsaaK. wrote on 11/25/17 at 00:31:36:

He generally plays well, but it’s much harder to play well as Mafia than Town, so if he’s playing poorly now it points to Mafia.

IsaaK. wrote on 11/25/17 at 00:31:36:

Good, better than doing nothing.

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Zoran, like I’ve said, made two huge posts against Leone which seemed odd. His voting history on day 1 was weak, was the last to vote yesterday on confirmed maf, and then thought it was a good idea to vote on a confirmed maf and sit on it. On the other hand, he was maf last game and played very well, I would expect more out of him.
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You are repeating yourself and all this was already explained. Leone was after me so i taken a closer look on him, nothing odd there. Vinnie was my target all the time and there is nothing weak about voting confirmed maf.

ALAKTORN wrote on 11/24/17 at 23:20:21:


And this attitude that you have been showing since start of D2 is why you are still here. Leone got a little soft on me, you didn't. Mafia knew you will do the job for them today.

LewisRichards wrote on 11/24/17 at 18:49:35:


This is exactly what he is doing.

Shock wrote on 11/24/17 at 17:55:28:


Also advocating for my lynch instead of 100% maf.

Shock wrote on 11/24/17 at 17:55:28:


Shock wrote on 11/24/17 at 19:05:51:


Out of his few posts, he is already making scenarios if his top scum read (except Brian) flip town.

Shock wrote on 11/24/17 at 17:55:28:


Tell us all the details, why am i, by a significant margin most likely KF?

Also there probably is a 2nd neutral I know Leone was saying the number 8-2-4 is a good one for maf games. Should we assume it's not an evil neutral since we already got one? I could see zoran being a survivor role considering how defensive he's been and his playstyle has just been a lot different from anything we've seen before. But I mean we're still ahead far enough that lynching him incorrectly shouldn't bring any consequences to us, would suck for him if he's survivor though lol.

LewisRichards wrote on 11/25/17 at 05:07:18:

If there’s another Neutral they can’t be evil so it doesn’t matter much. If Zoran was a Survivor he would’ve said so long ago.

no control wrote on 11/25/17 at 03:06:18:


The last TF (it's near 100% likely that B. Ray isn't the last imo) is among you, IsaaK, and TYG. ALAK is cleared, and the way Diamond's been playing combined with his claim and the timing of his claim make me think he's also very likely TF.

My scenario with TYG is far-fetched; I was more interested in how he would respond to it. IsaaK's been fairly active and I mostly like what I've seen from him - for example, he had a vote on Zwiebel in the early late day D1, but you only had a vote on Zwiebel near the end which you then switched back to Vinnie, claiming that you were just fishing for reactions. Also, there's this:

no control wrote on 11/23/17 at 05:26:21:


Around this time on D2, you were going after Leone, which struck me as odd. Your case against him was weak: "He suspects me for so long, but I'm Town, and his claim could be faked." The fact that someone suspects you isn't indicative of KF or TF, and the second part seemed really unlikely. You accuse me/agree with TYG that I'm trying to set up a TYG mislynch for later, but on D2 you're going after Leone; you know you're in a tight spot and have limited killing power, so you need to try to put suspicion on a strong town claim (who suspects you) because otherwise you will be in exactly the tight spot that you are in right now.

You also were the first to put a vote on Etch - it wasn't hard at all to build a case against Etch at the time, and you saw it as a good opportunity to try to get the focus off Timur. (IIRC he was the main wagon most of D1, including during this time.)

You also spent some time focusing on the question of "why was Leone killed instead of ALAK?" That came across to me as odd; why are you framing the question this way? You seemed to think/know that PAF had some choice in the kill, but shouldn't the question be "why was Leone killed?" period? I thought it strange that you were focusing on the fact that ALAK wasn't killed and was still alive.

The last thing that's coming to mind right now: Diogo died last night after saying he was going to scan you. KF!Zoran would have to kill Diogo, otherwise it's game over. If IsaaK or TYG or Diamond were KF, they could afford to not take the risk of a doc heal and go after ALAK last night and attempt (probably successfully) to mislynch me today. They'd then kill Diogo, get through the B. Ray lynch, then kill you leaving a final 3 of TYG, Diamond, IsaaK. KF!IsaaK or KF!TYG would then just need to try to convince Diamond to lynch the other. While this scenario is possible, I find it more likely given the case against you already that Diogo died because KF!Zoran had to kill him.

That's what I can think of right now without going into your posts in-depth. Frankly, I'm not terribly motivated to. I think we've got you and B. Ray pinned.

Shock wrote on 11/25/17 at 07:32:55:


I explained that already. He posted info about me that was incorrect which is much worse then just a suspicion. I was his entire focus for day and a half. He voted for me over 2 maf. That was not just a suspicion, that was an obsession. I was pretty content with him after D1, but after start of D2 there is no way in hell any town in my place wouldn't suspect him at least a bit.

Shock wrote on 11/25/17 at 07:32:55:


As i said before, having 1 wagon is a terrible idea. You say it wasn't hard to build a case against him, this means you saw his behavior as non-TF as well. You even said so yourself. When it comes to Etch, you look worse. You didn't want to lynch him, but wanted to night kill him. This is exactly what happened.

Shock wrote on 11/25/17 at 07:32:55:


I said ALAK is 100% and have been repeating that since D2. I asked the question because Alak destroyed maf on D1 and N1, he pushed claims on D2 which destroyed maf even more. Why the fuck is he still here????
I'll tell you why, because he is wrong on me.

Shock wrote on 11/25/17 at 07:32:55:


Why would i go against Leone during the day only to kill him the next night? Why would i throw myself under the bus by killing Leone and keep Alak who is confirmed by everyone and is destroying it?

Shock wrote on 11/25/17 at 07:32:55:


Diogo messed up and you know it. I stated that the moment he posted this. This gives maf an opportunity to throw me under the bus even further.

I will be back in 3 hours, do not give maf a chance to end this day early. I have some more info coming in when i come back.

Shock, can you vote Zoran? We can’t trust this TF to not get manipulated D4 if we don’t lynch him now. He might not fool you but it doesn’t take everyone to stop a lynch. Edit: (not an edit) Or you could just wait until EoD I guess, I’m leaving my vote on him and won’t be around for EoD. EoD is in like 9 hours I think?

Zoran is voting B.Ray and B.Ray can self-vote, so it will take at least 2 Zoran votes to lynch him (RNG) and 3 to make it sure if nobody else votes B.Ray.

B.Ray wrote on 11/25/17 at 09:17:12:


The thing is you haven’t actually voted a TF member the whole game lol

Day ends in 8 hours. I just need to look at the voting history of Day 2 to know where my vote is going today;

[vote]Zoran[/vote]

Hoping my only weapon works as well as it has for the past two days.

If you are town do not fucking vote for me, vote for confirmed maf.

1. Shock

Will have to read on Isaak and Tyg, but they are about the same now.

Voting anything else other then B.Ray is moronic.

Now that i think about it here is my maf list:

1. Shock

2. Isaak - his day 3 has just been terrible unlike D1 which was majestic. Based on D3 i would say D1 was too much info.

3. Tyg - if he doesn't vote for me, he is clear.

no control wrote on 11/25/17 at 10:44:01:


Tell us your power then

IsaaK. wrote on 11/25/17 at 11:24:27:


This is not my #1 thing against you. I'm looking into you and Shock as we speak.