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Death Note Mafia - Day 4 (Read 14667 times)
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Reply #1000 - 11/23/17 at 01:18:54
 
from an OCD perspective, 10/4 and 8/4/2 are aesthetically pleasing balances

not that that means anything, but if I were forced to bet I'd put money on one of these two
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Re: Death Note Mafia - Day 2
Reply #1001 - 11/23/17 at 01:19:13
 
So, the CCC.

We’re lynching between PAF/B.Ray. It’s impossible for them to be t/t– there’s a counter-claim. 2 Watari can’t be in the game. …Yo imagine if KF has some stupid power like “you’re forced to claim you’re someone you’re not” or something. LOL Anyway, Occam’s Razor. t/t might be possible with some very fucked up KF powers, but it’s the least likely situation so we’ll ignore it for now. This leaves us with any of k/t, t/k, or k/k. If one of them flips TF, the other one is almost guaranteed KF. And this also means that TYG is KF (unless again, some very fucked up powers are going on). So, if for any reason we kill both PAF and B.Ray and one flips TF, we go after TYG next. If they’re k/k and game doesn’t end, TYG is cleared, and you can refer to my post of likely 5th KF.

Sounds about right?
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Re: Death Note Mafia - Day 2
Reply #1002 - 11/23/17 at 01:29:46
 
I don't see any large areas of disagreement, I'd just add the caveat that we shouldn't rule out TYG as cleared with k/k flip in paf/bray, just as way more likely tf than say shock/zoran based on character claims

boiling it down, we know based on these claims that at least 2/3 of (TYG/BRay/PAF) are kira, and thus far TYG's claim has appeared, at least to me, to be the most convincing of the three, both in style and in powers

I'd also put likelihood of a third remaining kira at 25%, tops (weighing each possible/likely/logical setup (10/4,9/5,9/4/1,8/4/2) equally), less so when you consider there were only 4 true kira in the anime.

correct me if im wrong but Kiyomi only had pieces of the DN and never used them (of her own volition, at least) because she burned to death in that mill from Light's more elaborate control scheme to get rid of Mello
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Reply #1003 - 11/23/17 at 01:31:48
 
At kiyomi - correct.
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Re: Death Note Mafia - Day 2
Reply #1004 - 11/23/17 at 01:39:17
 
Diogo remove your vote, TYG could come in like an idiot and vote PAF then PAF can lynch himself and end the Day.
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Re: Death Note Mafia - Day 2
Reply #1005 - 11/23/17 at 01:45:07
 
Leone wrote on 11/23/17 at 01:29:46:
I don't see any large areas of disagreement, I'd just add the caveat that we shouldn't rule out TYG as cleared with k/k flip in paf/bray, just as way more likely tf than say shock/zoran based on character claims

Fair point I guess. I forgot he mentioned knowing L– TYG, elaborate on your D1 thoughts and the fact Etch was at 2 votes (which actually made him the lynch for much of D1).

Leone wrote on 11/23/17 at 01:29:46:
boiling it down, we know based on these claims that at least 2/3 of (TYG/BRay/PAF) are kira, and thus far TYG's claim has appeared, at least to me, to be the most convincing of the three, both in style and in powers

I agree. Order of believability to me: TYG, PAF, B.Ray. B.Ray’s power claim is nonsensical and notice how he disappeared as soon as we started questioning him. There’s no chance he’s TF. Which means to me we should lynch him, not PAF.

Leone wrote on 11/23/17 at 01:29:46:
I'd also put likelihood of a third remaining kira at 25%, tops (weighing each possible/likely/logical setup (10/4,9/5,9/4/1,8/4/2) equally), less so when you consider there were only 4 true kira in the anime.

Going by that logic if you disregard Neutrals it’s 50/50 though, and the info so far tells me it’s more likely for there to not be Neutrals than the opposite.
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Reply #1006 - 11/23/17 at 01:46:47
 
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Re: Death Note Mafia - Day 2
Reply #1007 - 11/23/17 at 01:48:22
 
B.Ray wrote on 11/22/17 at 12:22:49:
IsaaK. wrote on 11/22/17 at 12:11:27:
OMFG B.RAY YOUVE BEEN ONLINE AT LEAST ONCE TODAY FROM YOUR PROFILE JUST FUCKING SAY SOMETHING

even its a claim........ oh wait, that would give away that you're maf! My bad!

feeling slightly trigger happy over today and PAF and B.Ray scum and TYG still not SAYING ANYTHING


Yeah I was online to read the night action stuff Dan posted, then I left.

By the way this is hella scummy. Sees L and Kira die and has no comment? Who do you think would have to compose themselves and take a minute after seeing 2 KF dead by D2? We also started posting D2 within 5 minutes of Dan’s info dump, so he could’ve joined the conversation much earlier.
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Reply #1008 - 11/23/17 at 01:53:01
 
^Holy shit I read “Yesterday” in those quotes and got completely weirded out. I completely forgot what happened yesterday. Probably because I did nothing and just waited for everyone to claim before starting to play. So this is the last day of D2. lol EoD in… 16 hours I think?
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Re: Death Note Mafia - Day 2
Reply #1009 - 11/23/17 at 02:03:55
 
B.Ray wrote on 11/22/17 at 19:40:06:
Leone wrote on 11/22/17 at 18:33:09:
[vote]B.Ray[/vote]

until you come clean on your role, my vote stays on you. want me to switch to someone else? easy way to do that if you're tf.


More than happy to say my role if it means a KF lynch. I have access to a kill switch. If L is threatened with votes at any time I can activate the kill switch deleting all current votes HOWEVER I die  Sad


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So you knew Etch was L, i was all over him and you decieded to follow me on a vote?

Nope, i don't buy it. B.Ray my top suspect. Reading through, will post more thoughts soon.
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Re: Death Note Mafia - Day 2
Reply #1010 - 11/23/17 at 02:07:12
 
In fact Paf was on Vinnie as well at that point. So 2 guys that voted L and 1 pushed him and you decide to follow them on a lynch.

No freaking way.
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Reply #1011 - 11/23/17 at 02:09:39
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 11/23/17 at 01:45:07:
Leone wrote on 11/23/17 at 01:29:46:
I'd also put likelihood of a third remaining kira at 25%, tops (weighing each possible/likely/logical setup (10/4,9/5,9/4/1,8/4/2) equally), less so when you consider there were only 4 true kira in the anime.

Going by that logic if you disregard Neutrals it’s 50/50 though, and the info so far tells me it’s more likely for there to not be Neutrals than the opposite.


You're confusing boolean statements and probability. You're (feel free to clarify) making the statement that "either the game has 4 KI or 5 KI", a valid boolean proposition under our shared assumptions, but you're conflating that with there being 50/50 likelihood of either option, which is non-boolean and probabilistic. In making this conflation, you're missing the point of the text you quoted.

My argument is non-boolean, in that I provide three scenarios where 4 kira exist and one scenario where 5 exist, and weigh each possible setup equally as my null because I have no concrete knowledge to begin with in assessing which of the four scenarios I proposed is likely the case.

I then followed up with two subjective arguments (only 4 kira and OCD-balance) to attempt to decrease the probability that the game is in a state where 5 KI exist.

I agree that neutrals are less likely so far based on what's flipped, and that serves to collapse the probability of game state further, such that the following setups, in order of most likely to least likely, if we accept all arguments put forth, as:

10/4 > 8/4/2 ~= 9/4/1 > 9/5


Working forward from the null, this means 9/5 probability, aka a gamestate with 5 total KI, is anywhere from slightly to appreciably less than 25%.

Diamond would be proud of your efforts, though!  Grin
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Re: Death Note Mafia - Day 2
Reply #1012 - 11/23/17 at 02:13:46
 
^You’re right I misunderstood your post. You were being subjective.

So to anyone who wants to vote PAF: is there any reason you find him more scummy than B.Ray?
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Reply #1013 - 11/23/17 at 02:14:20
 
or wait I messed that up a bit

10/4 > 9/5 ~= 8/4/2 > 9/5/1

regardless, 5-kira game is somewhere around 25%, all arguments considered
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Reply #1014 - 11/23/17 at 02:39:49
 
Ok, so i see my name coming up a lot. I know you guys are wrong here and this makes me believe this game is not solved so i'll continue posting my theories.

Look at my reads end of d1:

no control wrote on 11/21/17 at 16:56:33:
My reads (in no order):

Town lean:
Diogo
Alak

Have to look more into them / found nothing on them so far:
Isaak
Diamond

Neutral / no solid read:
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Slight maf lean:
Shock
PAf
B.ray
Tyg
Zwiebel


Moderate maf lean:
Etch


Yeah i missed Etch, but the rest is pretty great considering the situation we have now.

During N1 my suspicions of Leone grew higher.

So start of D2 and also at this moment i believe mafia is in:

1. Brian - worst of the 3
2. Paf
3. Tyg
4. Leone - his claim means nothing to me based in previous experience.
5. Shock - weakest claim besides Watari trio imo.

Will go into detail in my later posts.

As for town:

Alak is 100% - yeah he took the shoot ot zwiebel, i highly doubt someone else would have done it after Vinnie turned Kira.

Diamond - if we take that kira knew about Vinnie which is likely in any scenario, his vote eod1 pretty much clears him for me.

Diogo - Very aggressive towards town on D2, however i think this is just inexperience so i don't see it as scummy. His game is completely based on DN knowledge which is fine.

Isaak - Small town lean, i believe his claim. I haven't found anything suspicious on him so far.
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Reply #1015 - 11/23/17 at 02:53:45
 
^@Zoran: So you believe Leone is the scummiest outside of the CCC? How so? He made a perfectly believable claim early on, and he’s played the best TF game behind me.
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Reply #1016 - 11/23/17 at 02:54:56
 
TYG also looks terrible.

Least posts, last to claim and look at those D1 posts. Keep in mind his claim that he knew who L was:

LewisRichards wrote on 11/20/17 at 19:11:34:
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Harambey just looks the worst to me right now, I don't think a lot of his logic has made sense.

Diamond's vote on me doesn't look too good, a bit confusing.

Dos Santos' play I haven't liked, although his near claim is a bit confusing...

Alak could be neutral idk, I feel like a neutral role might benefit from reclaims and stuff... I'm not sure what the role would be but suggesting the roleclaim as town just feels stupid and as mafia it seems pretty risky.

PAF had a couple posts I like I think. Can't remember exactly...

Anyway I have to finish an assignment in under 2 hours. I'll be going into much more detail about my reads then. This was more of a post to show where I'm at.


LewisRichards wrote on 11/20/17 at 22:21:30:
I mean these are my leans... I'm gonna expand on them tomorrow as to why my leans are this way but yeah sorry for not doing that now just really tired. Also if I were to cast a vote now it would be for harambey but I'm just not certain about him yet. I wanna see some answers for the questions I asked in my previous post pls and ty. Also fyi I won't be around for Eod tomorrow unfortunately... it's at 9pm est right? lemme check but yeah if it's 9pm est I can't be there, seeing a movie with a group of friends gg.
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Same as brian, i don't buy it.

Out of the 3 Paf looks the best for me, brian the worst.
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Re: Death Note Mafia - Day 2
Reply #1017 - 11/23/17 at 02:56:30
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 11/23/17 at 02:53:45:
^@Zoran: So you believe Leone is the scummiest outside of the CCC? How so? He made a perfectly believable claim early on, and he’s played the best TF game behind me.


As i said, his claim means nothing to me. He is the only person that didn't vote kira.

Other then that i have been making a big post on him, will post if later.
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Reply #1018 - 11/23/17 at 02:57:19
 
^Not sure what you’re trying to point out. “Last to claim” he has an alibi contrary to B.Ray– he wasn’t online before he started posting.

The fact he put L!Etch in undecided reads is perfectly understandable, you don’t want to out him as L if you can’t back up why you think he’s TF.
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Reply #1019 - 11/23/17 at 02:58:01
 
Btw i bolded Leone in TYG's read since all of you believe he is town.
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Reply #1020 - 11/23/17 at 02:59:56
 
no control wrote on 11/23/17 at 02:56:30:
ALAKTORN wrote on 11/23/17 at 02:53:45:
^@Zoran: So you believe Leone is the scummiest outside of the CCC? How so? He made a perfectly believable claim early on, and he’s played the best TF game behind me.

As i said, his claim means nothing to me.

That’s just stupid. You either believe it or you don’t. And if you don’t, it means that you believe he took a huge risk in claiming without a safe claim list a character that’s more major THAN YOUR OWN.

no control wrote on 11/23/17 at 02:56:30:
He is the only person that didn't vote kira.

KF was bussing super hard all of D1, that doesn’t prove much.
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Reply #1021 - 11/23/17 at 02:59:59
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 11/23/17 at 02:57:19:
^Not sure what you’re trying to point out. “Last to claim” he has an alibi contrary to B.Ray– he wasn’t online before he started posting.

The fact he put L!Etch in undecided reads is perfectly understandable, you don’t want to out him as L if you can’t back up why you think he’s TF.


Sure, but 2 guys that are on L he puts as town, also Harambey as maf and he attacks him hard in his 2nd post. Diamod ho is lokking pretty townish at  this point is also him maf read.

I mean compare his D1 reads with mine. He is town and i'm maf? LMAO
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Reply #1022 - 11/23/17 at 03:02:38
 
Also i can log out and see all the posts, that "he was not online" argument means absolutely nothing.
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Reply #1023 - 11/23/17 at 03:02:53
 
no control wrote on 11/23/17 at 02:59:59:
ALAKTORN wrote on 11/23/17 at 02:57:19:
^Not sure what you’re trying to point out. “Last to claim” he has an alibi contrary to B.Ray– he wasn’t online before he started posting.

The fact he put L!Etch in undecided reads is perfectly understandable, you don’t want to out him as L if you can’t back up why you think he’s TF.


Sure, but 2 guys that are on L he puts as town, also Harambey as maf and he attacks him hard in his 2nd post. Diamod ho is lokking pretty townish at  this point is also him maf read.

I mean compare his D1 reads with mine. He is town and i'm maf? LMAO

So just because someone has bad reads it makes them Mafia? That’s not how it works. Being Town doesn’t mean everything you say is right. It means everything you say is genuine. You need to look at the reasons why someone says something to determine their alignment, not how correct they are.
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Reply #1024 - 11/23/17 at 03:08:21
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 11/23/17 at 03:02:53:
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ALAKTORN wrote on 11/23/17 at 02:57:19:
^Not sure what you’re trying to point out. “Last to claim” he has an alibi contrary to B.Ray– he wasn’t online before he started posting.

The fact he put L!Etch in undecided reads is perfectly understandable, you don’t want to out him as L if you can’t back up why you think he’s TF.


Sure, but 2 guys that are on L he puts as town, also Harambey as maf and he attacks him hard in his 2nd post. Diamod ho is lokking pretty townish at  this point is also him maf read.

I mean compare his D1 reads with mine. He is town and i'm maf? LMAO

So just because someone has bad reads it makes them Mafia? That’s not how it works. Being Town doesn’t mean everything you say is right. It means everything you say is genuine. You need to look at the reasons why someone says something to determine their alignment, not how correct they are.


True it doesn't. But he has bad reads, only person he went after is confirmed town, he is extremely inactive and is the last to claim. All that together certainly doesn't make him look townish in my book at all.
Especially if you think that he had info on L, then we can say he was not genuine with me and PAF.
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