Alright, read the first two pages.

About ALAK: I kinda expected him to do something brazen like ask for a role call immediately at the start of day 1.

The problem of course was already pointed out: if he's Kira Faction and knows at least the taken Town roles, then he could potentially push hard for doing something like this and "clear" himself as "Task Force" right away. Though, I would find it strange that Dan would start this game without a Mellow, so... but then again, if Dan really did start the game without a Mellow on the Town side, this would be a cinch for Kira!Alak.

Reading page 3 now

Harambey; ‘I don’t think voting is a good idea on day 1, let’s wait until we have some facts’

Also Harambey;
Harambey180 wrote on 11/20/17 at 09:46:04:

Alright well, I'm back in the game now.

The reason I was quiet was because, to me, it felt like it was going personal, and I know it isn't cuz heck it's just a game, but it still does feel like it. I've spoken to Dans about this too, but he managed to persuade me not to quit, so now I'm just going to play on and see what happens  

Anyways, let's get back to playing this game again then.

First of all, as IsaaK asked, I don't really have much experience with mafia games yet. Up until a week ago, I didn't even know it existed   . But I've also played some ToS and looked at previous maf games, so at least I know something about it  
Also, I don't need to answer all questions that are asked, do I? I just said that I wouldn't respond to one question, and immediately you guys start to rant at me about why I'm not answering, and that I'm not contributing to the game. Well whatever, then I'll just answer all the questions...

I don't think Alak is really sus anymore. He seems convincing, but he probably has a lot of experience with this game, so it can't really be judged. For now I think he's Town because it does look like a nice strategy actually.
However he did start raise suspicion on me, which could also be a maf member trying to make others suspicious so they get lynched instead. But he'd be a good persuasive maf then
And now you mentioned it, I do think Zwiebel is sus atm. He is (if I'm correct) the only player so far to also give a second vote at someone, which could be a reason for someone to be maf. But I'm not too sure yet.

I can get the vote that was cast on me. Trying to hide away from the action is something what a maf would do. But I've been very active since the start of the game, and hiding away after having been active is something different than hiding since the beginning. And as I explained that was because I was just nervous/anxious, that's just how I am  

So yea, if ppl ask me questions from now on I'll likely respond to it. And if I find out something else I'll post it if I feel like it's good to share it.

Harambey180 wrote on 11/20/17 at 10:31:36:


I can understand it raising suspicion but it’s not enough to put a vote for him. How do you know he’s not reading the thread or if other people have been online whilst you haven’t?

Harambey180 wrote on 11/20/17 at 09:37:49:


Didn't you at first agree with me that claiming Char would be a bad idea? what made you change opinion?

I ask again

Why would you toss a coin on D1 for no apparent reason? Am I the only one who is actually opposing this idea?

I've just re-read some stuff on here.

I looked into if certain players are suspicious because of their reasoning. I'm just going to look at this situation from multiple sides to get a better look at what's going on and to give others a better look too.

Based on how good/weak your reasoning is for making statements, I think that Zwiebel and no control are suspicious for me.

For no control, so far he has only asked a few questions - and he also stated that he was 'dealing with others', but all he did before that was ask me one single question basically. What 'others' is he referring to?  
And for his reasoning, it's just super weak. Doesn't give reasons at all, the comments he makes are one line long. You'd expect Town members to make longer comments, let alone to just give a reason.

For Zwiebel, he gives reasons, but I find his reasoning weak. When Alak asked him about why when it would be good to follow his idea, he just seems to be clumsy in his reasoning. 'Town could lose the game if maf knew about roles, bcuz they would get more info while Town doesn't'. Really, how is that logical? Then Maf would already know the roles, just gets to know who owns the role. Town doesn't know anything before we'd reveal roles, so this just seems contradictory.
And in his other comments he seems to turn around his accusations and - with a reasoning that makes hardly no sense - instead accuses others. That's more like what maf would do, right? To turn away the suspicion and give it to someone else.

Harambey180 wrote on 11/20/17 at 10:41:22:


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lol, if Mafia knows which role belongs to who, it changes a whole lot, because they would obviously try to kill the ones who they believe to have a better power. Do you think that's nothing?

Harambey180 wrote on 11/20/17 at 10:58:53:


When did I ever say voting someone was bad or a coin toss? I said going forward with Alak's plan is a coin toss. I never said anything about voting on D1...

And I still have to hear from you why my answer to Alak is supposed to be weak..how is it not very detrimental to Town if Maf knows the character names of every player in the game? It makes it so much easier for them to guess who has power and who doesnt. And the possibility exists. That's why in my eyes it's a 50/50.