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Responding to some criticism about RR7 1:36.159
10/07/17 at 12:42:09
 
06/10/2017 & 07/10/2017

To skip the introduction, scroll ahead to the picture of a post by Master Kek.

Sorry to have taken this long to respond, but I have my reasoning for it:

I dislike bringing up my adult problems where kids are at. But for the sake of clarity, I will inform that I have been dealing with depression for about two years now, and losing a new world record due to a cartridge/system failure has been a large fuel for my depression. And when I'm really depressed like this, I want to be left alone for a while.

On my usual days, despite my depression, I am very motivated to play Rainbow Road, it's my favourite part of the day and very good for winding down after working for 9 hours as programmer. My recent, heavier state of depression has led my daily routine to a habit of taking my sleep medications as soon as I arrive home from work, then working on some Xenoblade  for an hour or two, (more about this in a later paragraph) simply waiting for the sleep medication to go into effect and knock me out, just to get the current day over with.

I am currently not touching my 3DS in my daily routine, I am simply too depressed to open it and play it. I need to send it to Nintendo to have them repair it anyway, since the slidepad and c-nub are actually acting really weird… Currently I just don't feel the motivation to mail Nintendo about it, since the warranty just ran out two weeks ago, I might as well buy a brand new one next month knowing Nintendo's policies.

Work as a programmer, and work at home (again, more in a later paragraph) is actually a really good distraction from the thoughts that make me feel bad, but it's not a cure. Unfortunately, not even some of the heaviest anti-depressants helped over the last two years.

What have I been doing instead of playing Rainbow Road my two/three free hours of every week day and on the weekends?
On the weekends, I have been working on my Pokémon Stadium Let's Play video's for YouTube, I know that only about five people actually watch each episode, but as I have stated before, I want to use my YouTube channel as a showcase of my video production skills, if someone ever wants to hire me as video editor/producer again, since it has happened once, it will probably happen again some day.

On the week days, after work, I have been helping out the guys over at the Xenoblade Chronicles X (fandom) Wikia. It is my favourite game on the Wii U, and I am hoping to one day do a 100% Let's Play of it, in the same way as Chuggaaconroy did one for the original Xenoblade Chronicles. But before it is time to Let's Play the game, what better way to research the game that you love, and to learn all the in-and-outs than working on the website where most people get all their in-depth information about the game from.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is coming out soon and the coverage of Xenoblade Chronicles X on the Xenoblade Wikia is still very far from complete and comprehensive, that's why I am helping them.

You may have noticed on Miiverse, that I have done posts like these, as you can probably tell from the previous paragraph, I make these posts to help the Xenoblade Chronicles X Wikia, not for anybody's entertainment. The Xenoblade Chronicles X Wikia is still lacking all of this mapping of all the segments their goals, that's why I have taken it on me to do it myself.
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAADAAADV44iygQ3jQ
https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAADAAADV44bKXZDQQ

What made me motivated to do this response to the criticism is Martijn commenting on one of those Miiverse posts, things like "Go work on your Rainbow Road problem." or "No one is interested…".



Again, these posts are not for the Mario Kart players their entertainment, they are to help the Xenoblade Chronicles X Wikia. Please don't talk to people in such a seemingly demeaning way.



Now, with that out of the way, I will respond to some of the criticism I got when posting about my 1:36.159:




If you have followed my Twitter for a long time, you know, that around the April fools time, (if I can think of a good one in time,) I always pull a little April fools joke every year, this video you pointed to happens to be an attempt at one as well.

But the keen eyed among you will notice that it was uploaded 22 days late, the thing with the March/April period this year is that I was busy with my graduation internship my Bachelor's degree, on top of being deadset on getting a new Rainbow Road World Record before the 1000-day mark of my first world record, on top of wanting to finish the first half of my Pokémon Stadium Let's Play before my graduation date. I simply didn't have time in March to sit down and think of a good April fools joke to pull off this year.

I always sprankle little hints to my jokes being fake, for this one, I made up a story extra rediculous to the point that it was unbelievable, on top of that, I claimed to have already unlocked the Golden Glider, which is  impossible.

This year, instead of keeping it to Twitter, I took my joke to YouTube, and it blew up in my face overnight, I was extremely overwhelmed by the viewership, it got a hundred times the amount of views and way more comments than I expected it would get. I did delete some comments while I was overwhelmed, not knowing what do to from there, hoping to restore them one week later, which I discovered is not possible on YouTube, unless you contact YouTube themselves to do it.

If I had noticed someone putting this joke time on mkwrs.com/mk8dx, I would have immidiately contacted the person to inform them that it was a joke.

To close this one out, I've made joke video's, where I lead the viewer on before, outside of the April fools period, like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvif7YHPbFE





Hey Martijn, I wanted to contact you on your YouTube video about the time, to see if we could work things out, but you had comments disabled if memory serves correctly…

For the last three and a half years, I have not cared about any other track than Rainbow Road, I want to focus on getting a time as good as possible on just that track, because I love playing on it.

I only play Rainbow Road, the only exception is when I see a new world record with a new strat or one that is really optimized and I think to myself "Hey, that's pretty cool", I try the track for an hour or two, to then go back to Rainbow Road.

When I saw a thread about No Mushroom Time Trials, I got a little interested and thought "While I don't care about this in the long run, it looks fun, so let me try this once for a few of the least-played tracks". Maka Wuhu was of course one of the tracks that I did one attempt one,  but I didn't immidiately report the time of that first attempt.

If you follow me on Twitter, you know that I make a bunch of typo's when Tweeting, I don't correct my typo's in a follow up Tweet or anything, because I simply don't care enough to scan what I typed for typo's.

Only Martijn and Frederiek will be able to read this, so you can ask them for a confirmation on this, but even on LinkedIn, which is a website where you're meant to show your most professional side, even there do I make typo's and look really dumb. Here is an example of some freshman student that needed to interview a few people that graduated from the Bachelor's degree that he just started, my response was really unprofessional looking, the problem was that I didn't care enough about this person to doublecheck my response to him for typo's.



I don't remember what time I reported on Maka Wuhu, what the actual time I set was and where I reported it, it was simply a too long time ago. However, what I am fairly certain about, is that whatever the time was that I reported, it was very likely containing a typo, because I didn't care to enough about No Mushroom Time Trials to doublecheck what I typed for errors.

To close this one, this one is indeed where I ****ed up out of neglegence.





If a time without picture/video's/splits does not count as World Record, then what about these records, from the same track? Should these be deleted?





That was the criticism that I really wanted to respond to for a while, because the comments didn't portay the whole picture.



What is the best course of action in my opinion?

There are a few options in MY opinion.

1. List 1:36.159 on mkwrs.com just like Nyko and Doco's times:

If you list Nyko and Doco's times as World Record, while there is as much information about those four times as my 1:36.159, (in the case of 1:38.483, even LESS information) then I personally think it is only fair to also list 1:36.159.

2. List 1:36.159 on mkwrs.com until it has been beaten:
This second option stems from the same opinion as the first one and branches from it, but the difference is that 1:36.159 will get deleted once it has been beaten, making it not clutter the World Record history of Rainbow Road even more.

3. Keep 1:36.159 as the "pending" World Record until it is beaten as Kleenex does on the European Top 10 Thread:

Just like how it was done with Kubica's time, I think it is fair to keep 1:36.159 as pending World Record until it has been beaten, then you can decide between option 1 and 2 what happens from there.

I don't think 1:36.159 should be avoided to be listed like it's the plague, it is the fastest time to ever be performed on Rainbow Road, and also the highest skill level to have ever been performed on the track, knowing how far I was in front of my Ghost before the final SC.



If anyone has more criticism, feel free to post it in a response, I will try to answer it when I have some free time.

For the next few weeks, I will be helping out on the Xenoblade Chronicles X Wikia, while completing the final 10% of the game that I have left to do. After that, I WILL come back to beat 1:36.159, the day after Miiverse ends, I just needed this break from the game right now.

Edit 08/10/2017 13:19: Corrected some typo's.
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Reply #1 - 10/07/17 at 13:03:59
 
Shroomless MW NG dates from way back when I started the shroomless thread, most likely came from the general skype chat.
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Reply #2 - 10/07/17 at 13:44:48
 
You reported a 1'30"3xx, and Wouter requested to change it to 1'31"3xx at MW NG shroomless.

And why can't you comment on my video's? I've comments ON to be honest.
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Reply #3 - 10/07/17 at 17:41:56
 
Personally I think it should be listed as pending until you beat it. I believe that you set it but, unfortunately, without any proof you can't really claim it as 100% legit. I know you can beat it when you come back to MK7 though Smiley
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Reply #4 - 10/07/17 at 20:59:46
 
Hey Gok, I felt like I had to respond on your post.

About the MW shroomless time and the MK8DX WR: I know both cases pretty well.

the MW shroomless time: I think Martijn did good by investigating that time. He first tried to convince me that your record was impossible, but I didn't know enough about MW shroomless to believe him that that time wasn't true. So he convinced Wouter to play MW shroomless. And it was only when Wouter confirmed that your time was 'impossible' that it was deleted from the shroomless rankings. I think I contacted you afterwards about it, and then you said you probably remembered it wrong, you must have missed it by a second. The whole thing was odd, but I believed you. I know you from chats and some pm conversations we had. I believe that you are not a liar and you are not a cheater.

the MK8DX WR: It astounded me. I thought "What the hell is Gok doing?? This isn't you." MK8DX wasn't released yet, you said you stole the game... It was clearly MK8. I remember when you published that video it was discussed in the MK8 discord chat. It was bad for your reputation. I didn't say a thing there, I felt sad. I personally help out at the MK7 PP, so I try to only care about your MK7 times, and as far as I knew all those were still legit. And like I said: I think that you are not a liar or a cheater.
Now you say that it was meant as a joke? Damn, bad joke. You should have known that most viewers would try to believe you. It wasn't even April 1. When I would see those reactions on the video, I would delete the video immediately, or maybe better change the explanation below the video to clarify it was a bad joke. Ow well, the harm was done, but most players kept respecting you.

Does these two cases matter much for accepting your 1:36.159? I don't think so.
I think accepting a WR doesn't really depend on trusting a person. It should depend on trusting the proof.
So if you say you have 1:36.159, I would believe you. Even after knowing everything described here above., I would believe you. But my next question would be: "Where is the proof?"
So you got .159 but the graphic screen still shows .163? I don't know if that is even possible. I think Bradon said it is possible. But I find that really weird. And still I believe you when you say you got 1:36.159.

But if a WR really happened, should we accept it without any proof, only words? This is a difficult discussion. The first thing I responded on your 1:36.159 was: "I personally have doubts if it should get added. Maybe someone needs to ask Cole. There probably have been precedents."
You need an authority or rules from mkwrs.com to decide if it can be added or not. I don't help at mkwrs. But WillD does and he responded: "I agree with Zepple". Because Zepple said: "Goku is of course a trustworthy player, but the thing is there's absolutely no "material" evidence of the time (not even a pic). We know in our hearts he actually had that .159 time, but I think it can't be added to the WR site unfortunately... Anyway, hopefully he beats his time again so the problem is solved". Zepple phrased it pretty well imo, and that closed the case for me.

I can't add times to mkwrs, but I can add times to the PP. And you posted your time in the time updating thread. And I must say I deliberately skipped your submission, choosing not to add it. Because I think that your RR record on the players' page shouldn't be better than on mkwrs. It's better that both sites agree what to accept and what not.


Anyway you have the RR WR with .159 or .163, does it matter much? Maybe yes, we are talking about a world record. But looking at it from a distance, no not really. It's not such a big issue in your life. I hope you will concentrate on your depression. This is the important thing here. I knew you are depressed for already a long time now. And it is sad you get more depressed by your world record not getting accepted.

So in the hope (and I really hope) you get over your depression someday, I will give you my advices:

1. Go out. When you are not at work and the sun is shining outside, go out. Feel the sun on your skin. The outdoors make you feel alive. And spoil yourself from time to time. You deserve it. It could be little things too, like doing some ice in your drink and such.

2. Friends. Go see some friends. Regularly. Social life is very important to be sane. And laughing too. People laughing and appreciating each other. It must be the best cure for depression.

3. Sports. Your brain is connected to your body. Exercise that body, get your inner fluids running. It will make you feel alive and satisfied. And it will maybe give you a hobby.


And if you would do these things for me, maybe I would do you the pleasure to add your .159 time to the PP  Wink
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Reply #5 - 10/08/17 at 01:58:50
 
just add it. if he does this to get a 2nd record, then refuse it

https://www.mkwrs.com/mk64/display.php?track=Luigi+Raceway look at this page  Grin Grin Grin Grin
1997-03-xx? 1'44"xx? clearly wrs can be accepted just by word of mouth

Frederiek wrote on 10/07/17 at 20:59:46:
It should depend on trusting the proof.


see lots of records exist with no proof on the site. if you really want the site to have only trusted proof, better start to the ones that don't
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Reply #6 - 10/08/17 at 03:59:26
 
Gogoku7 wrote on 10/07/17 at 12:42:09:
2. List 1:36.159 on mkwrs.com until it has been beaten:
This second option stems from the same opinion as the first one and branches from it, but the difference is that 1:36.159 will get deleted once it has been beaten, making it not clutter the World Record history of Rainbow Road even more.[i]


This doesn't really make sense in my opinion, I'd rather do the opposite: list the 1:36.159 as a pending time until you beat it, and then add it to the site once it has been overwritten.
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Reply #7 - 10/08/17 at 12:33:22
 


Thank you for pointing out the times.

I wanted to comment on your "Gogoku's Maka Wuhu Shroomless Time Is Fake" (I believe it was called like that), but comments were disabled on that one, is what I remember. Maybe I'm remembering things incorrectly.





In retrospect, when you say that, I would agree that it was a very bad joke.

You see, I make bad decisions in social situations all the time, you may have seen on Twitter that I Tweeted something among the lines of "I got expelled from school after signing my graduation certificate" a few months ago, this actually happened, and it was the result of a very very bad joke I pulled off at the graduation ceremony. I won't tell what I did, but just know that my parents are still very angry that I did it, about three months later.

I make these bad decisions because I have autism and social anxiety, I sometimes can't judge what is appropriate in the situation I am in.

When I saw the video blowing up, I was thinking of immidiately renaming the title and changing the description it to make it clear that it was a joke, or deleting it. However. I thought about it like a YouTuber: "If I delete these 100's of views, it's going to hurt in the YouTube algorithm…", the weird thing about me thinking like that is that I am not YouTube partnered, and Nintendo is the one earning revenue from my (almost) all my video's, I am not earning a single cent myself, and I prefer it this way. Instead, I should've really thought about the community more, my only thought was: "About 40% of the comments were of people realizing it was a joke, so the community has probably figured it out already", I was incorrect thinking in these ways.

If I ever do an April fools joke again, I will remember these three lessons I learned this year:

1. Make it have nothing to do with Mario Kart, preferably
2. Actually post it on April 1st, like I did in the years before this one
3. Change the title and description to show it was a joke, the very next day instead of being indecisive





Thank you for your concerns. Rainbow Road is really such a big part of my life, I have spent over 1.200 hours on just that track since I had about 1:38.4xx. So things like this do emotionally effect me a lot.

1. Go out
I'm really a not out-going person, I prefer to be stay inside and just play Rainbow Road. In fact, intense sunlight gives me bad headaches. It used to be much worse when I was a teenager, but I still deal with quite a bit of anxiety when going outside. When I do find myself outside, I don't really know what to do. When I go outside, I usually have a goal in mind, like buying a loaf of bread or a new game.

2. Friends
I don't have many friends made in the past 8 years I went to school, and my friends often do not have much time for me, a lot of them have girlfriends, I do very rarely invite them over in my house to play some games. I do have a great pool of friends in the Super Smash Bros. Community, but I only see them once every two months at the Good Games Well Played events. I am currently unable to travel to Utrecht for another event that is once every two weeks on Fridays, but I am working on that.

3. Sports

I used to train in karate a bunch for about five years, the problem was that, as I got older, the people who I trained with changed. Eventually, I was training with people who had three, or more years of experience in karate than me, they were able to knock me out in a single punch, and a few them actually did do that. The fact that during sparring sessions, I was laying on the ground more than actually practicing fighting really discouraged me, so I stopped going.

About one and a half year ago, prior to my problem with my feet starting, I won a free two-month membership at Basic Fit, which is as far as I know the most affordable gym, despite my depression, I did go, however I didn't enjoy it too much, I felt REALLY out of place, for example, some fat lad would always point and laugh, saying: "Look at that skinny guy, what's he doing here?", it's probably part of the 'culture' there. I also had actually no idea how any of the machines worked, and I am too socially anxious to ask someone: "Hi, want to rotate this machine with me?". All I really did those two months was run the threadmill, lift some dumbells 50 times, then do some extreme stretching exercises which always made people go: "Holy ****, how did you do put your leg behind your shoulder like that? Are you a snake person, or do you do k*m* s*tr*?". The one time I saw a machine not being used and I wanted to try it, I kept thinking to myself: "These people are probably looking at me, looking at how wrong I'm doing the exercise, I just want to go home", so I packed my stuff and went home that day and didn't use a machine during the short remainder of the two months. I don't think that place was really a good fit for me, with my social anxiety.


I am currently spending most of my Fridays with driving lessons, I've overcome most of my anxiety of cars thanks to the help of a phenomenal instructor.
With my driver's license, I will be able to travel to the Super Smash Bros. Tournament that is held every other Friday.
I will, once I have my driver's license, start to go to a gym near me, that's a little smaller, less crowded, quite a bit more expensive, and has a little bit more of a relaxed and mature vibe, I hope I will be able to overcome my anxiety when I train there.





Well, you have to keep in mind that 1997 was a very different time, equipment to capture images and video's weren't as affordable back then as now.
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Reply #8 - 10/08/17 at 20:14:58
 
Hey Gogoku, I've been watching this situation from afar and I feel like it's appropriate to weigh in. I'll try to respond to the topics in the order you posted them in.

First off, ignore Martijn. His Miiverse comment was rude and douchey. Do what you want, and ignore what imaginary people on the internet think with regard to it.

The April Fools MK8DX incident is completely irrelevant in my opinion. Up until this point, I hadn't even realized that it had taken place. Same applies for the Shroomless time thing.

The fact remains that January 2012 was a very different time for MK7 than 2017. It's true that we didn't have quite as strict proof standards, but we also didn't accept times that had literally no proof. The Nyko time you highlighted can be seen on his ghost in his "753 video, and while Doco's times didn't have a lot of proof, they were accepted by the Japanese MK7 community, which had decent proof standards of their own.

If I'm being honest with you, I don't want to put 1:36.159 on mkwrs. At MOST, it should be a pending time on the top 10 thread, but even then, what's the point? A pending time implies that it can eventually be taken off the pending list, but the only way that would happen is if you yourself beat it, which sort of defeats the purpose.

I'm sorry if this decision seems unfair, or inconsistent with other times that have been accepted, but MK7 is at a point in its life where every WR needs to have pretty concrete proof. I'm open to debate this more with you and encourage other involved in MK7 to give their opinion.



Finally, @Batman5112, trying to compare proof standards from 1997 to 2017 is hilarious. The MK64 "community" consisted of about 10 players or so, on various random websites scattered across the fledgling internet. There may well have even been super crappy images or even videos of these times, but they've been lost to geocities or outdated web domains. We're lucky we even have that semblance of a progression.
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Reply #9 - 10/08/17 at 23:04:40
 
NOTE: This is just how I see it and how I see things like in the case of Gogoku, so if I'm wrong then that's just bcuz I saw it wrong  Tongue

I can have depressions myself frequently too, and for what else he all said - about that he doesn't have many friends, that he does things wrong in social communication with others... - I can say I can sort-of compare myself to him (apart from the fact that I'm not an adult yet Cheesy)

So, if this is right, I think I could say some things for all sides here.
Gogoku, I can understand how difficult depressions are (although, I'm not sure if I have depressions, but I feel like I have something that's called a 'depression' frequently). You said you don't have many friends and you rarely ever do things together with them, so to want to be left alone during a depression can be quite understandable as you're often alone.
Still, try to be social on other places in real life apart from on internet community's like this one. You said you played karate until the ones you trained with, weren't the ones you'd like to train with. I once trained swimming and I was quite good, until my disorder caused problems with other kids from my group, thus I left. But, (and this is what I'd recommend) at least try to do a sport with others, just purely for the fact to meet others. There are also special sports clubs for special people. Right now I'm doing athletics with others that also have the same disorder at me, and that's really fun in general. But at least, try to meet others in real life frequently to not feel more lonely (which I think is the case).
And you complained that others have made some 'mean' comments to you in the past. That's just how internet works. (at least, that's how I think internet works Tongue). Nearly everyone you talk to over the internet is a stranger to you, and most people just want to get rid of all their frustrations they've built up in the past few days, and to get mad at random strangers that probably live nowhere close to you is what most people do. So try to ignore them, giving attention to negative things only makes everything else more negative.

To Frederiek: People like me (and probably also Gogoku) don't have many friends, and we also find it very difficult to meet other people who could become friends. It's just very hard to just go outside and talk to someone you've never spoken to before, or to join a sports club with people that could become new friends. Eventually it will happen but don't try to push it, I hear it very often on other forums and servers that I should meet other people, and to me, that's more of a reminder of "look you don't have friends yet, haha" than an advice to go meet new people. It's a nice gesture though so I don't complain about it.

To everyone in general: If Gogoku indeed is really like me, then of course I'd try to convince you to keep that in mind, but probably that won't work anyways. Most comments that people make about me, I take as harsh criticism, even though most of it wasn't meant as criticism or complaint as all. And also I, and probably Gogoku, can get easily angry over criticizing comments, probably because we don't have many friends and often have depressions. Why is that relevant? Because most of these people have been bullied frequently at school, have never felt comfortable at school, rarely ever have any social contact, and combine that with depressions, and we feel very lonely and think we're not worth it. I used to think I wasn't worth 'it' (you know what I'm trying to say, that's the worst feeling ever, be glad you don't have it if you don't), only made me more lonely and depressed until recently I decided to turn it around.
Just try to be careful with what you say. You should be careful in general with what you say on the internet, you don't know who the person is you're talking to, it might just be one of those that are like me. Those criticizing small comments like those from Martijn can make us pissed - we try very hard to be friendly towards everyone else in all our comments, until one of us criticizes us (sometimes it's not even criticism but we still take it as criticism). Comments like Frederiek's one: if I was in Gogoku's place and he said it to me, I would take it as criticism - probably you wanted to help me with your advice, but we've heard that advice so many times already from others and it's more of a reminder than advice to me.

Try to be friendly whenever you can, and don't take 'bad' things too far. Why would we, and it would only make things worse in general. When others are friendly towards people like me, we are friendly towards you too. I mean, on the internet, it's probably only happened once before that I got angry without ppl getting angry at me, that was bcuz I didn't get as much attention as I wanted to get, but that was from very long ago.
This is just my experience, I might be completely wrong with that me and Gogoku are very much alike. But at least the 'try to be friendly all the time' is a good advice anyways.

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@Gogoku7, Yes, that video had comments disabled indeed.
And I've autism too. So, I'm not the only one. And I also have less friends. I like it too to be at home, but sunny weather is not a dislike for me. I really dislike cold rainy days.
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I had social anxiety when I was younger too but I grew out of it. At the end of the day I just try to remind myself that people are just humans, just like me. Nobody is above you. Nobody is actively trying to ridicule you. Strangers are human beings just like you, they’re not scary.

In terms of the WR time I can agree with what WillD said I think.
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Reply #12 - 10/09/17 at 05:52:15
 
ALAKTORN wrote on 10/09/17 at 05:15:39:
I had social anxiety when I was younger too but I grew out of it. At the end of the day I just try to remind myself that people are just humans, just like me. Nobody is above you. Nobody is actively trying to ridicule you. Strangers are human beings just like you, they’re not scary.

In terms of the WR time I can agree with what WillD said I think.


It's really hard to learn for people with autism, because they have huge problems with starting to talk to unknown people.

It could be also a problem if you become an adult. Finding work can look impossible, because they're scared for a job interview. I know that and I work by a day spending place for limited people with handicaps. It's not always that fun.

Some people Here even can't write words. They know their name, but they even don't know how to spell it.
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