[vote]Thiradell[/vote]

k now for zwiebel. I wont hafta break his posts up across 2 posts of my own cuz he only made about half as many as tvk

230 - shows up late again (re: town of memes game)
248 - contrives 3 scenarios one of which must be the case of my posting style change, then claims to agree with zoran (though he's using my logic) and votes Dan, then gives tyg maf vibes and paf/zoran town vibes
250 - me/dan m/m impossible
254 - asks me to summarize leans
255 - basically sucks tvk's dick lol
263 - asks me to clarify wat i mean by SG weirdness
301 - explains why wasting kills on jester=bad, then uses my logic from like 150-ish posts back to go after dan
305 - "dont waste lynch on jester" then uses my logic again to go after dan
311 - agrees with my read that paf could be maf but more likely clueless town, then adds his 2 cents to it
317 - asks john for lynch candidate
373 - unvotes dan and immediately, w/o explanation, votes orange
375 - tells dan to stfu about role names so maf dont have names of ppl to kill (maybe a sideways defense of me to pocket subtly? eh...)
381 - defends orange vote with "he needs some pressure"
384 - responds to orange attacking timur vote on orange with "you bandwagoned bitch" (if all of orange's posts are contrived then we should see him interact primarily with maf to put on a show - if timur=maf then he's being more subtle about it than tvk was rn)
385 - "scared cuz maf?" at dan
388 - uses my logic again to go after dan's rolehunting
389 - asks dan abt lack of confidence?
397 - points out dan/orange cross-vote, then calls orange scummy for being there but not posting and demands he speak up
404 - timur demands orange arrange some names in order of most-to-least scummy
418 - timur asks paf this:
Quote:

looks to me like planting the idea that orange=scared maf

463 - interjecting in text wall:
>repeats things he said in earlier posts to clarify em to zoran
>upset orange ignored timur+went offline
>dont ignore the low-posters

475 - asks paf to expand on where he was sheeping, then claims that dan=maf cuz he blabbed abt jester DESPITE the fact that it was my idea from post 180 or so, then reiterates orange vote=for pressure
483 - asks paf to expand on why dan looks better now
504 - 'might have to think different of paf' cuz paf didn't substantiate a sheeping claim about timur on myself
508 - "why's ordering ppl more contrived than making a list?"
512 - maybe me=paranoid, and orange should still answer
533 - jumps from orange to paf vote cuz paf has town lean on timur up from slight maf, and townlean on orange... wait, wat? if paf's scumminess is from thinking orange isn't scummy wouldnt that make orange scummier still?.... huh.
556 - "certainly agree with points you make Leone" then restates part of the argument I had made earlier, then asks paf about list explanation
558 - a (imo solid) defense of vote-hopping, but given who he moved his votes around to (dan, then orange, then paf), I think this might just be a stock-defense...
561 - pushes paf on dan/timur scenarios
562 - accuses paf of pocketing
567 - "dan/paf maf? would explain wat tvk said"
570 - "mebbe dan=jester?"
585 - hits bray for possible slip
596 - calls what paf did pocketing
621 - calls out orange absence, says final vote will be dan/paf/orange
650 - "bray lynch=lure", and if paf/dan flip scum then tvk=worse, and bray=better...?????
684 - willing to lynch dan/paf over bray
687 - bray lynch=bad
691 - gut feel that bray lynch=setup

D2

738 - several things
>eager to sweep dan/paf vote movements under the rug
>feels better abt tvk cuz he pushed bray wagon
>tvk getting attacked means he=town, bray=scum, orange needs to show up
- biran/orange scum, hes confident atleast 1=maf (pushes same thing tvk might be trying to push, w/ bray then orange lynchchain)
- third, sg suspicious-looking cuz voting activity
- zoran=protown so slight townlean
- tyg, john neutral cuz not looked into yet
- still thinks im jester
- tvk BIGGEST™ town lean. thoughts on my 2 TVK walls then, sir???!?!?!?!?!?!?!

811, 812 - several things
>pounds tyg for attacking orange opening post
>hits tyg for waiting to vote for dan rather than immediately
>implies tyg has mafchatgaps
>tyg/orange m/m unlikely
>points out sheeping from tyg
>points out tyg vote contradiction
>looks like over-the-top town flipflops
>points out tyg didnt go for dan first if he thought dan/bray were m/m
>thinks tyg is pocketing me
>thinks tyg wouldnt be brave enough for that flipflopping

813 - thinks bray wagon point to tvk/john both town, and wagon wasnt maf-pushed "like I explained before" (where????)
824 - only thought brian was lure cuz thought dan/paf would flip maf
852 - votes bray for lack of answers
855 - posts this question directly, and the wording is a bit weird imo:
Quote:

This feels like narrative-pushing.

To answer your question, sir, he gives me a neutral read rn, but I haven't given him a solid analysis yet  

860 - doubles down on bray demanding answers for weird reads
862 - thinks dan was sk target and tvk was attempted mafkill
865 - I answered this one already... or did I?  
890 - will answer this, BUT wanna highlight a thing --
Quote:


^One of 2 things:
>tmi
>narrartive-pushing

either way I dont like it

938 - see my separate post on it. summary:
>brian=maf means one of tvk/tyg/sg/dan=maf and prolly not tvk and def not dan so prolly tyg or sg (if bray is maf then this could be timur opening the doors to a mislynch, assuming tvk=maf and tyg, sports=town or other, will have to analyze all these for a clearer read)
>bray=town means maf lean on tvk
>also third looks town now

Conclusions: Timur's alignment relies extremely heavily on TVK's. If TVK is town then Timur is likely town, and vice versa, because they're employing very, very much the same strategy as one another AND NOT CHALLENGING EACH OTHER. Timur wouldn't let TVK get away with his bullshit, imo. But then, maybe I'm just wrong about how good this man is.  

READ: Slight maf lean, dependent on TVK.

bray is next cuz he's the cog in all this bullshit D2 stuff, it seems.

one thing i will say, if zwiebel is maf he's better at it than tvk is, much more diverse playstyle LOL

oh! also timur flipped on bray wagon being bait (d1) to good (d2) lol

oh fucking hell i meant to make that font 36 and yellow, not 72 and pink, I'm sorry guys

lol

oh also hi orange! I see you on fine sir! I trust you're enlightening us with another bit of wisdom that TVK wrote up for you?  

gonna do one on Lewis now, then thiradell if im still awake enough for that

142 - confused to why i called out the being-on-but-not-posting-thing
147, 148 - agrees with dan about my identity search
153 - just confused by my #50, thinks I could be harvey LOL
155 - not liking orange's entrance
157 - proposes both style and content be looked at in relation to moi posts
159 - brushes off orange (orange sheeped off my calling tyg's inactivity out) in what looks like a spiteful/content-less manner, then calls orange maf w/o any reasoning
160 - thinks my characters are town and not jester
162 - calls out a potential contradictory statement on my part, suggests Im jester but he cant lock on a proper read at all, lol
164 - negative knee-jerk reaction to my first post directly addressing him, thinks I'm trying to piss him off to get myself lynched
165 - thinks my activity post wasnt bait (WAS it??!?!?!!?/1/11.11   idk but it worked for what i needed it to do)
167 - perhaps me=pobes??/
168 - dont lynch leone, and also either leone/orange could be jester
171 - on the fence between agreeing with me and agreeing with dan over role fixation
174 - lewis looking over my posts for weirdness, which I wanna say, ONLY HE HAS DONE IN SERIOUS DETAIL ON DAY1, you lazy fags  
176 - restates a thing i alluded to in one of my rambling walls
181 - still on fence abt dan thing

big gap

537... o boi lots here.
>explains absence/lack of voting
>orange=low-info yet safe yet maybe wrong lynch
>Dan: basically now 100% agrees with my take on his tunneling, reposts my logic as his own
>PAF:
- calls out paf hitting dan for rolehunting me, then for flip-flopping
- not a fan of paf vote on dan, then really doesn't like orange defending paf and suggests paf/orange m/m
- doesnt like that paf went after him, this could either be jittery maf or jittery townie, and given tyg's willingness to flop all over the map and discuss things with active ppl, this makes him look more town to me...
>SG:
- vague "dont like these comments" about SG beginning posts
- hits SG for making "high-posters=town" argument, same thing I did earlier in the day
>Orange:
- weird first post from orange
- points out him falling for my "bait" (??!)
- sees detail-defense as weird (yeah that made no sense to me either lol)
- comments on orange's reads with "eh could be useful if lynched", nothing else
- seems to think this ties together a paf/orange m/m team????
- confused by orange's unvote
>BRay:
- not a fan of his opening posts, senseless reasoning
- calls out BRay on his shitty logic of wanting to lynch dumb town
538 - votes orange due to lack of activity/reads from the man
539 - rehashes tvk's paf/orange team idea (this sends a red flag to me imo)
543 - dan now weak scum read
544 - seems surprised bray pushing for a me-lynch
545 - thinks bray lynch too risky due to it being low-info
604 - 100% agrees with my 553 conspiracy wall, now dan could be an angel, now dan looks worse to tyg, not enough for a vote but enough to unvote orange???!??!?!??!! wat that doesnt follow at all, dan's scumminess shouldnt have an imact on orange's or vice versa.......
606 - goes after possible bray slip
610 - thinks dan/bray are m/m, paf cleared?? not sure i followed the logic
612 - asks me about switching to bray cuz dan/bray m/m????????
613 - thinks im 100% town (slip????) then votes bray despite this???? wat?????
623 - not voting orange just cuz dan is, paf'd look worse with orange=maf, dan=maf cuz I think so, wants to lynch bray cuz defending dan and wagoning paf
692 - says might be up for dan blitzwagon buz bray lynch aint happening????
695 - doesnt want rng
699 - votes dan last-second "because he trusts me more than anything else" ??//1/1//11.1!?!??!!>!> I WAS CLEARLY BULLSHITTING EOD FOR REACTIONS BECAUSE MY (wrong) CONVICTION ABOUT DAN WASNT GOING ANYWHERE... ugh
794 - he switched to dan cuz bray wasnt happening and didnt want rng
795 - things:
- agreeing w/ me that dan kill could be maf
- claims zwiebel has tyg as a scumread (not so as of 738 tho), claiming it's from timur gut feel and confirmation bias?? maybe rambling... he does say this... but its weird he misconstrued timur's read on him... just... wat?/?????
- reads orange bray maf, zweebell sg less so (no explanation on sg), thira null, me zoran john tvk town leans (these seem a bit under-informed to me, like he's only skimming posts)
869 - admits to sheeping me eod, maybe intentional to pocket me, maybe clueless town, idk rn
874 - what the fuck? 100% agreeing with me on a thing I said the opposite of, then thinking I was saying tvk was bodyguarded by dan and maf targeted dan???!??!?!?! what???????? ....... good grief, maybe the skimming thing i mentioned is more true than i thought
944 - things:
>doesnt like bray again, dan/bray connection he thought existed now not as strong as before?
>strong town on me
>orange=bad, "terible posts" (no elaboration on this), worse after danflip
>still agreeing with the thing i said the opposite of... smh lol. but he tries to defend it atleast, uses some of the same reasoning I did (go figure huh lol)
>light tvk townread
>likes zoran & john, aww <3
>still no read on thira, THEN EXAMINE THE MAN
>zweebs neutral
>criticises sg's criticisms of having d2-start walls ready, and also doesnt like sg's generalities-related style
>wavering between bray, orange for vote
949 - defends the fuck out of zoran after sg votes him, now torn three ways himself for voting
950 - repeats john's sentiments on fungo role theory (interesting but maybe/maybe not useful) but doesnt actually make any comment on it

CONCLUSIONS:

A LOT of sheeping and possible pocketing, not only of myself, but of other high-posters who pressure him. Votes have only been on low-hanging fruit or Dan. He's all over the fucking map with his reads and content and so is his logic. BUT, besides this lack of backbone and ability to contribute novel (sensible) ideas (discounting the stuff he says which makes very, very, very little sense in any context as "novel+useful", here), I honestly can't see any conduct that could be ONLY maf-generated (so basically, same situation as PAF). he's vocal and talks to whoever he can when he's active, and imo he tries to scumhunt in genuine way, and I still dont think 1.) tyg would be brave enough to do that, or 2.) that he'd be smart enough to pull it off if he tried.  

AS such, my current read of TYG is a slight town lean. Like, VERY slight town lean. Like, barely on the green side of neutral. lol.

I HAFTA REITERATE, DONT SKIP THE WALLS ON PAGES 38 THROUGH 40 OF MINE.

i sopent waaay too much time analyzing these player behaviours to root out scum.

good grief.

if im wrong about any of these 3 of these guys (tvk/timer/orange) being maf at this point ill drink bleach.

OH! yeah and when im back thira/zoran are prolly gon b next on my alnalyzizng wall list

By the way: you are allowed to edit posts to fix things like bolding your vote. You may not edit your post and add/subtract as much as a single letter, however. You may only fix formatting bugs; do not change the content of your post whatsoever.

I'll be here until eod, will continue where i stopped yesterday and give my opinions on the newly asked questions.

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/26/17 at 16:18:49:


1. Even if you thought this was true, you could have still tried to get info from everyone that can be of use on D2. Anything is better then just sitting around and doing nothing. It's like i was here eod, but you really weren't.

2. Why would there be 3 mafia members? You sound pretty certain. Third made a nice post about this:

Thiradell wrote on 08/26/17 at 14:10:17:


Which option looks like the most likely one at this point for you? Do you think there is some other option that is more likely then all of these?


Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/26/17 at 16:47:12:


Could you elaborate on the 1st reason, my first post of D2?
Who are some others?
Who are most likely my mafia buddies since you think there are 3?
What is your take on my D1?
What were your thoughts on me after D1, prior to me making that D2 post?

Orange, a big reason why I think you're scum is because you haven't created any good town content or discussion in 2 days. You rarely post and when you do I feel like the quality is next to nothing. You're votes look bad, your reasoning for your vote makes no sense and when Dan brought up a possible wagon for you EVERYONE was quiet af. . I'm shocked you only have 2 votes at this point and the only reason I don't currently have a vote on you is because I'd rather get out a better potential mafia player. I'm sure you're a nice guy irl but as far as this game goes it wouldn't bother me if you got lynched