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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #75 - 08/22/17 at 17:02:57

Dan, I'm not convinced that Leone is YS. The multiple personality behavior, the "sir" usage, etc...I feel like for the moment, our efforts would be better utilized trying to get whatever actual *content* we can from his posts instead of trying to put together all the character traits.

TvK, I wasn't trying to gain towncred (and I don't expect any) for pointing out the majority rule for D1. I only pointed it out because it's different from the few most recent games here, and thought it was important enough to ensure that everyone else was aware. I also pulled my vote off of you for exactly the reason I gave in the post in which I did so - rvs was over, time to move into the real game.

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Reply #77 - 08/22/17 at 17:06:26

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Oh also hi TYG! I see you on but not posting yet, please do join this lovely party we're having! My super-duper radar of truthiness spots online-but-not-posting folk, check it out on the Mario Kart MB™'s front page!

This may mean that TYG is PM'ing another mafia but forgetting to post on this thread to cloak that evidence. If TYG doesn't post on this or any other thread today then I'll raise my suspicions.

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Reply #78 - 08/22/17 at 17:09:45

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:02:57:

Dan, I'm not convinced that Leone is YS. The multiple personality behavior, the "sir" usage, etc...I feel like for the moment, our efforts would be better utilized trying to get whatever actual *content* we can from his posts instead of trying to put together all the character traits.

TvK, I wasn't trying to gain towncred (and I don't expect any) for pointing out the majority rule for D1. I only pointed it out because it's different from the few most recent games here, and thought it was important enough to ensure that everyone else was aware. I also pulled my vote off of you for exactly the reason I gave in the post in which I did so - rvs was over, time to move into the real game.

Leone is Yoshistar, there is so much evidence to support that he is. His posts unfortunately are extremely annoying to read because of the punctuation and some of the dumb stuff in them. Whether his role PM forces him to post that way or whether he just chose to post that way because he was Yoshistar, it's really damn obvious.

Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is. If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #79 - 08/22/17 at 17:11:02

Orange Slices wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:06:26:

Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:07:11:

Oh also hi TYG! I see you on but not posting yet, please do join this lovely party we're having! My super-duper radar of truthiness spots online-but-not-posting folk, check it out on the Mario Kart MB™'s front page!

This may mean that TYG is PM'ing another mafia but forgetting to post on this thread to cloak that evidence. If TYG doesn't post on this or any other thread today then I'll raise my suspicions.

I don't think this means anything - metagaming isn't part of this game. Random speculation like this is counterproductive imo - better to look at the content that's *in* the game rather than the things that *aren't*.

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Reply #80 - 08/22/17 at 17:12:08

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:11:02:

Orange Slices wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:06:26:

Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:07:11:

Oh also hi TYG! I see you on but not posting yet, please do join this lovely party we're having! My super-duper radar of truthiness spots online-but-not-posting folk, check it out on the Mario Kart MB™'s front page!

This may mean that TYG is PM'ing another mafia but forgetting to post on this thread to cloak that evidence. If TYG doesn't post on this or any other thread today then I'll raise my suspicions.

I don't think this means anything - metagaming isn't part of this game. Random speculation like this is counterproductive imo - better to look at the content that's *in* the game rather than the things that *aren't*.

Whatever the real reasons are behind it, I don't think it's good for someone to be online at some point on D1, then go offline without having made a post yet.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #81 - 08/22/17 at 17:12:35

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:09:45:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:02:57:

Dan, I'm not convinced that Leone is YS. The multiple personality behavior, the "sir" usage, etc...I feel like for the moment, our efforts would be better utilized trying to get whatever actual *content* we can from his posts instead of trying to put together all the character traits.

TvK, I wasn't trying to gain towncred (and I don't expect any) for pointing out the majority rule for D1. I only pointed it out because it's different from the few most recent games here, and thought it was important enough to ensure that everyone else was aware. I also pulled my vote off of you for exactly the reason I gave in the post in which I did so - rvs was over, time to move into the real game.

Leone is Yoshistar, there is so much evidence to support that he is. His posts unfortunately are extremely annoying to read because of the punctuation and some of the dumb stuff in them. Whether his role PM forces him to post that way or whether he just chose to post that way because he was Yoshistar, it's really damn obvious.

Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is. If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.

My worry is that this could be his purpose - he seems to be *trying* to get lynched. I don't want to play into his hands if that's the case...

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Reply #82 - 08/22/17 at 17:13:34

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:47:57:

You guys think it's possible that Leone is acting on his character but is actually scum? His quirks are sure sparking some discussion, could that work as a distraction itself?
If we're actually going to guess his character, there are several things that don't match up with Yoshistar. Leone mentions he has 16 personalities or something...

Orange's first post seemed clueless (see TvK's post above), but this doesn't indicate his alignment at all.

I don't think Leone's posting style is alignment indicative. I do know that I have to read every post he makes about 5 times before I understand everything he's saying.

What do you think of his vote on you? Do you feel like it's coming from a town mindset? Do you expect other people to follow him onto you?

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #83 - 08/22/17 at 17:13:53

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:11:31:

I first thought Leone was hinting at his character so that, when he claimed it later on, he would be almost cleared. Dan's post would ruin this completely. But then again, Leone insists way too much on it and may have made it too obvious... I'm not sure what to say.

At what point did you first thought Leone was hinting at his character? TBH, i didn't see it until Dan mentioned it.
I don't get the logic about him being almost cleared when he would claim later on. He could say i was claiming Yoshistar, but as some pointed out, that has nothing to do with town or scum.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:47:57:

You guys think it's possible that Leone is acting on his character but is actually scum?

Orange's first post seemed clueless (see TvK's post above), but this doesn't indicate his alignment at all.

You are just repeating what Dan and TvK said, you are even referring to TvK's post to validate your post. One again you give TvK more power. I really hope you can stand by your statements, so no need to say someone else said it. You made a statement followed by "but this doesn't indicate his alignment at all". So what is the point of that statement?

Orange Slices wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:26:31:

I can assume 1 of 2 things:

1 - You are a Townie...

2 - You are a mafia...

Your didn't say anything here, unless you think he is somehow cleared of a possible neutral role?

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:25:23:

Dude, Leone is 100% Yoshistar. I don't see him faking it because he has done way more posting in this game already than all the other mafia/resistance games I've seen him play combined, which is to say that I normally see him as a lazy player and someone unlikely to do a lot of work trying to pull a fake claim like that off. I also don't see him being coached to do it because the style he is trying to pull off is honestly really fucking annoying with the punctuation and probably more likely to get him lynched anyway. I think a scum partner coaching him would be more likely to try to get him to fake being someone else, and honestly I think a scum partner would be more likely to just try to fake being someone else themselves instead of having Leone do it.

Why would he indicate it and then deny it, 1st part especially if he was scum?

TvK wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:44:42:

What if someone would have come in and put a 4th vote on me? How likely would you have estimated that one of those votes would have been from scum?

I don't really have a problem with people pointing out rules. I do have a problem with people trying to get cheap towncred by pointing out the rules. The border between the two is very thin.

I think first 3 were genuinely random and can come from anyone, 4th one would more likely be more serious. In case that 4th vote happened, i would have strated looking into that 4th vote person more.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #85 - 08/22/17 at 17:18:08

Orange Slices wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:54:52:

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I'm experienced enough to know that there's no chance that I'll get lynched this early in the day. There are enough people in this game that will make sure that the day doesn't end this early. I put the quotations over random because there is the possibility of an inexperienced mafia member jumping on an early wagon and enjoy a quiet ride. Also, it's very interesting that you question the randomness of the votes. It's the town that is completely uninformed here. Don't you think it's more likely any "bang on the money" votes come from the informed side, aka the mafia?

When you put it that way, it seems pretty stupid for me to be jumping to conclusions about votes so early on in the day. That entire post has changed my mafia lean on you, although I'll still be keeping a close eye to see if there's anything which proves otherwise later in the day.

Why is my post the only one you have commented on so far? Leone has made a legit vote on PAF that he backed with an explanation. Don't you have any comment to that? And what about other people that have made more than 10 posts. Is there nothing else that caught your attention?

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Reply #86 - 08/22/17 at 17:21:09

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:12:35:

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:09:45:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:02:57:

Dan, I'm not convinced that Leone is YS. The multiple personality behavior, the "sir" usage, etc...I feel like for the moment, our efforts would be better utilized trying to get whatever actual *content* we can from his posts instead of trying to put together all the character traits.

TvK, I wasn't trying to gain towncred (and I don't expect any) for pointing out the majority rule for D1. I only pointed it out because it's different from the few most recent games here, and thought it was important enough to ensure that everyone else was aware. I also pulled my vote off of you for exactly the reason I gave in the post in which I did so - rvs was over, time to move into the real game.

Leone is Yoshistar, there is so much evidence to support that he is. His posts unfortunately are extremely annoying to read because of the punctuation and some of the dumb stuff in them. Whether his role PM forces him to post that way or whether he just chose to post that way because he was Yoshistar, it's really damn obvious.

Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is. If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.

My worry is that this could be his purpose - he seems to be *trying* to get lynched. I don't want to play into his hands if that's the case...

I actually disagree here. In the last game he played, he got lynched D1. Now he seems like he has a whole new type of game. I do agree that his style of posting is somewhat annoying, but I must say that his vote on PAF is not something I would expect from a jester-type of role.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #87 - 08/22/17 at 17:29:59

TvK wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:21:09:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:12:35:

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:09:45:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:02:57:

Dan, I'm not convinced that Leone is YS. The multiple personality behavior, the "sir" usage, etc...I feel like for the moment, our efforts would be better utilized trying to get whatever actual *content* we can from his posts instead of trying to put together all the character traits.

TvK, I wasn't trying to gain towncred (and I don't expect any) for pointing out the majority rule for D1. I only pointed it out because it's different from the few most recent games here, and thought it was important enough to ensure that everyone else was aware. I also pulled my vote off of you for exactly the reason I gave in the post in which I did so - rvs was over, time to move into the real game.

Leone is Yoshistar, there is so much evidence to support that he is. His posts unfortunately are extremely annoying to read because of the punctuation and some of the dumb stuff in them. Whether his role PM forces him to post that way or whether he just chose to post that way because he was Yoshistar, it's really damn obvious.

Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is. If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.

My worry is that this could be his purpose - he seems to be *trying* to get lynched. I don't want to play into his hands if that's the case...

I actually disagree here. In the last game he played, he got lynched D1. Now he seems like he has a whole new type of game. I do agree that his style of posting is somewhat annoying, but I must say that his vote on PAF is not something I would expect from a jester-type of role.

What about his vote on PAF do you think doesn't indicate a jester-type of role?

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #88 - 08/22/17 at 17:32:16

It seems I may have forgotten a pretty important detail that I originally intended everyone to know from the get-go:

The Mafia know the names of all the forum characters in this game. This was information given to them in their role PMs.

Again, I meant for everyone to be aware of this from the beginning, but it seems I forgot to update the OP with it. My apologies.

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Reply #89 - 08/22/17 at 17:38:00

TvK wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:21:09:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:12:35:

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:09:45:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:02:57:

Dan, I'm not convinced that Leone is YS. The multiple personality behavior, the "sir" usage, etc...I feel like for the moment, our efforts would be better utilized trying to get whatever actual *content* we can from his posts instead of trying to put together all the character traits.

TvK, I wasn't trying to gain towncred (and I don't expect any) for pointing out the majority rule for D1. I only pointed it out because it's different from the few most recent games here, and thought it was important enough to ensure that everyone else was aware. I also pulled my vote off of you for exactly the reason I gave in the post in which I did so - rvs was over, time to move into the real game.

Leone is Yoshistar, there is so much evidence to support that he is. His posts unfortunately are extremely annoying to read because of the punctuation and some of the dumb stuff in them. Whether his role PM forces him to post that way or whether he just chose to post that way because he was Yoshistar, it's really damn obvious.

Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is. If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.

My worry is that this could be his purpose - he seems to be *trying* to get lynched. I don't want to play into his hands if that's the case...

I actually disagree here. In the last game he played, he got lynched D1. Now he seems like he has a whole new type of game. I do agree that his style of posting is somewhat annoying, but I must say that his vote on PAF is not something I would expect from a jester-type of role.

Even if you disagree on the possibility of a role where he tries to die D1, I think it's still a risk I'd rather avoid. Given that 5/12 players haven't even posted yet (Third (idk his/her real name), Brian, Tyler, Timur, and Lewis), I'm not ready to jump to a conclusion on Leone's role. I *do* think that a Yoshistar character is likely, but it could easily be someone who hasn't even posted yet.

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Reply #90 - 08/22/17 at 17:38:11

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Leone are you claiming to be yourself, literally, Leone in this game?

No, I said I'm me!!! I didn't say who me is, fine sir!

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I think it's appropriate for me to say that I would be reading someone doing that as town most likely because I think saying your thoughts about the game is generally a good thing.

How do we know this clear self-awareness isn't just a ploy to get town off your trail by you trying to look town by pointing out, very eagerly, that you're being vocal...??????

Moving on!

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I first thought Leone was hinting at his character so that, when he claimed it later on, he would be almost cleared.

How would me being yoshistar clear me???? That's a really obvious non-sequitur, even you should have see that if you were town...???? Huh

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There are also some implications regarding fakeclaiming...

ooh, implications!!!! Please sir, what implications would there be to fakeclaiming??? Questioning

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I suppose if you were rolefishing as scum, you wouldn't bother posting it in public, specially considering you're convinced he's Yoshistar.

You just repeated what Dan himself said, any thoughts on the reverse-psychology-post-em-to-look-innocent-"theory"-thing I posted in my last text wall??????

Zoran, John, etc, other active ppl, TVK, any thoughts on this too? (On the thing about Dan posting his rolehunter ideas to look inno, I mean)

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I also don't see him being coached to do it because the style he is trying to pull off is honestly really fucking annoying with the punctuation and probably more likely to get him lynched anyway. I think a scum partner coaching him would be more likely to try to get him to fake being someone else, and honestly I think a scum partner would be more likely to just try to fake being someone else themselves instead of having Leone do it.

wait wait wait if you don't think I'm being coached then why do you think I'd end up getting lynched????

Now for PAF!

1. The man backs his claim! Whoa!1111! Cheesy

2. Wait so if you had nothing of content then why did you say anything??????
3. I mis-read that as scum-FLIP, LOLLLLLLLLL, nvm
4. not sure what you're getting at here, too vague, not gonna try and guess and dissect a straw-man by accident.

I'm ending this post, I'm down to where Orange showed up.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #91 - 08/22/17 at 17:44:36

Before I continue my ramblings, gentlemen and not-so-gentlemen, I wanna make an astronomically, important, profound statement: my read of paf after interacting with him Shocked

I think he's clueless town. WHY?

1 - these illogical thoughts and trigger-happy votes/unvotes are characteristic of his playstyle.
2 - nothing to me (note, subjective statement here) stood out as especially scummy, just dumb.
3 - do you SERIOUSLY think PAF would be coached to act this clueless?? If your answer is yes, then under what circumstances would that be easier than going a different direction, manipulation-wise?? Yoshistar wouldn't shut the fuck up and he took a scumbuddy down with him when he flipped! clueless mafia is best left quiet, and smart maf would know this!!!!

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Reply #93 - 08/22/17 at 17:45:49

TvK wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:44:55:

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:29:59:

What about his vote on PAF do you think doesn't indicate a jester-type of role?

His logic does seem to come from a town point of view so far. Nothing so far in his posts has come across as jester-like so far.

And next time I'll actually reread my post so that I don't use the words "so far" too often.

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Reply #94 - 08/22/17 at 17:50:47

Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:44:36:

Before I continue my ramblings, gentlemen and not-so-gentlemen, I wanna make an astronomically, important, profound statement: my read of paf after interacting with him Shocked

I think he's clueless town. WHY?

1 - these illogical thoughts and trigger-happy votes/unvotes are characteristic of his playstyle.
2 - nothing to me (note, subjective statement here) stood out as especially scummy, just dumb.
3 - do you SERIOUSLY think PAF would be coached to act this clueless?? If your answer is yes, then under what circumstances would that be easier than going a different direction, manipulation-wise?? Yoshistar wouldn't shut the fuck up and he took a scumbuddy down with him when he flipped! clueless mafia is best left quiet, and smart maf would know this!!!!

Okay, now this is the kind of post I would expect from a jester.

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Reply #95 - 08/22/17 at 17:55:51

Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:44:36:

Before I continue my ramblings, gentlemen and not-so-gentlemen, I wanna make an astronomically, important, profound statement: my read of paf after interacting with him Shocked

I think he's clueless town. WHY?

1 - these illogical thoughts and trigger-happy votes/unvotes are characteristic of his playstyle.
2 - nothing to me (note, subjective statement here) stood out as especially scummy, just dumb.
3 - do you SERIOUSLY think PAF would be coached to act this clueless?? If your answer is yes, then under what circumstances would that be easier than going a different direction, manipulation-wise?? Yoshistar wouldn't shut the fuck up and he took a scumbuddy down with him when he flipped! clueless mafia is best left quiet, and smart maf would know this!!!!

I don't know if it's your posting style that's throwing me off, but in the post before this one it seemed to me like your scumread on PAF was getting stronger. Why did you vote him in the first place if you had these points in the back of your mind from the start? What was the purpose of the vote? If you wanted pressure on him, how would you have been able to tell the difference between his usual cluelessness and actual crumbling? Did you expect to see the words where his scumbuddies were coaching him? I really can't follow you here.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #96 - 08/22/17 at 17:57:18

@leone in post 90 (I forgot how to use quote tags effectively and don't feel like trying to figure it out rn):

1. As I said, you can take what I said about thinking that I would probably only point out that I thought you were YS in a mafia chat as whatever you want. I didn't say that you should view me as innocent for it, I said that I think it's good for the game to post thoughts, and I think that if I were viewing myself from an outside perspective I would think it were town. You might not be able to do anything with that, or you might, take it for what you will.

2. I think that someone posting as shit as you had been is a very possible lynch candidate regardless of whether they are coached or not. Honestly I feel like there has been little if any coaching in any of the mafia games played in this forum despite the fact that I think it could be a very useful mafia tactic.

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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 days karting	Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1 Reply #97 - 08/22/17 at 17:57:43 So I guess Leone can end the sentence with a period? Interesting
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DansGame Ninja Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 3358 days karting	Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1 Reply #98 - 08/22/17 at 17:59:37 I would still bet my life that Leone is Yoshistar. He threw soooooo much YS fluff into his posts.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #99 - 08/22/17 at 18:02:12

Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:44:36:

Before I continue my ramblings, gentlemen and not-so-gentlemen, I wanna make an astronomically, important, profound statement: my read of paf after interacting with him Shocked

I think he's clueless town. WHY?

1 - these illogical thoughts and trigger-happy votes/unvotes are characteristic of his playstyle.
2 - nothing to me (note, subjective statement here) stood out as especially scummy, just dumb.
3 - do you SERIOUSLY think PAF would be coached to act this clueless?? If your answer is yes, then under what circumstances would that be easier than going a different direction, manipulation-wise?? Yoshistar wouldn't shut the fuck up and he took a scumbuddy down with him when he flipped! clueless mafia is best left quiet, and smart maf would know this!!!!

Everytime I read this post I see more things that are wrong with it. Can you elaborate on PAF's "trigger happy votes/unvotes"? The only votes I can see are his random vote and then a bit later his unvote after we clearly left the rvs.

Then again for your second point: if nothing stood out as scummy, why did you feel the need to address it? And why did you even decide to vote him?

And why the hell do you bring up Yoshistar here? Do you actually think that PAF's and Yoshistar's playstyles are in any way similar? Or is this just your way of saying that we should be looking for mafia among the low posters? If so, that's something that I said when I posted a lot and was mafia. Or does this mean that if we find an inexperienced mafia member we have to put as much pressure on him as possible because he can accidentily blur out something that might implicate his buddies?

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