Thiradell wrote on 08/26/17 at 10:19:56:

Yeah Third, in a previous post I mentioned that I was talking about Zwiebel, think I had his name in there and it somehow didn't end up in the final post.

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Sure, fine sir!  

Have I truly broken character, and the posts on D2 you are reading are a true representation of myself? Or, alternatively, what if this is yet another character? What if my presentation is nothing more than a series of reflections of those here, of those around me, because I am a sociopath with no image, no style, no unique traits to call my own? But then, what if I'm not a sociopath, and my previous question is nothing more than the fabrication of an illusion, in and of itself yet another character? What if this, all I've said, is representative of one and the same persona, merely presented by vastly different voices? Finally, why does any of this matter?

I'll explain.

Mafia win by manipulating town. By twisting words. By subtly destroying people with their own metas and playstyles and driving them to self-destruction. By pushing narratives and ignoring evidence counter to their narratives. By exploiting and equivocating one type of play (genuine confusion or noob play, in the case of maf who target low-hanging fruit, for instance) as another (maf).

This is why I imagine my "strategy", perhaps in a pitiful delusion of grandeur, to be of importance.

I'm active when I feel like it. I'm crazy when I feel like it. I'm formal, reserved when I feel like it. I am whatever I want, whenever I want, and in any quantity I want of it, because I define my own reality in this game.

That means mafia can't define me. Which means they can't defeat me.

You can't manipulate what you don't comprehend. You can't twist words that are already twisted to the brink of comprehension. You can't exploit a fabricated style, because the moment you try... it disappears. You can't destroy a meta that never existed, and you can't equivocate a playstyle too foreign to even adequately describe.

I am not always right about who maf are: this is a reality I have no choice but to accept. I wish I were, because then this game would be solved. But, my style lets me stay, ever importantly so, on the offense, digging continuously, rooting out scum.

Does any of this matter, though?

Is any of this true?

What if I'm just fucking with you?

What is reality?

How about, what is reality, to you?

This is what I think I get to find out. Reactions betray perspectives. Perspectives betray alignment.

...or I'm just making up every damn word in this post, and bullshitting out my ass because boredom.

I don't know, and neither do you.

doing TvK now and

TvK day 1
1. Let’s get down to business
2. To defeat the Huns
3. lmao random votes all on me
4. let’s get down to business for real
5. 3 votes is nothing, interesting to see how people react to the very beginning of the game

already I have a town lean. gut feeling after five posts. let's continue

...but anyhow, back to responding to D2 shit so far!1111!1!!  

TvK day 1 (cont.)
6. question? What question? [there was no question]
7, 11. Dan jumping on me says nothing about his alignment, says more about his RV phase attitude
8. asks PAF why character speculation is suspicious
9. why did you ask John versus other guys? [this is a bit silly, Leone can take a post to ask one person something]
10. grilling Zoran over the John unvote before 4th vote [I like this post] (#54)
11. Leone sucks
12. Elegant response to Orange calling him out
13. continues the convo with Zoran from 10
14. doesn’t think alignment can be determined from Leone’s style, grills PAF a bit
15. wants Orange to post more stuff
16. says Leone probably isn’t jester because he previously got lynched d1 with a different style
17. Leone probably isn’t jester
18. fluff
19. Leone could be jester
20. why, Leone, are you voting for PAF and now giving PAF a clueless town read
21. quotes the same post for the third time and continues grilling Leone
22. originally, Leone’s vote on PAF looked townish
23. TvK questions Leone implicating Orange as maf based on his early game play
24. Leone pls don’t troll re: YS
25. takes a bit of a break and says “just read up on the thread” [to be continued]

my thoughts

12. fwiw Orange’s early day 1 try on TvK into TvK’s response here (#66) to Orange’s response (#71) all seems pretty natural. Anyone else have thoughts on this re: Orange, maybe it gives him a bit of town credit? Dan interprets this sequence as maf Orange trying to bulldog TvK into a super early day 1 lynch, which would be quite ambitious from Orange. Leone later agrees with Dan and TvK questions both of them on this point.

17, 18 19, 20. TvK bangs out four in a row here (#92-95) re: Leone. 17/18 are he’s probably not jester, 19/20 are looking at a new post whereupon TvK says he could be jester. 20 presses Leone to explain the inconsistency between voting for PAF and then saying PAF is clueless town. This all comes across as townie from TvK, and presumably he spends some more time puzzling over Leone’s post before following up with #99

not as much a fan of the Orange wagon anymore, but I don't really wanna pile onto Brian. Any other candidates?

Thiradell wrote on 08/26/17 at 12:07:19:


807 and 810

Going off now.

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this prolly isnt you "coincidentally" posting the same thing as tvk, cuz it was 10 minutes after. nice logic-sheeping fine sir.  

Leone wrote on 08/26/17 at 12:10:48:


1. in general you're talking and questioning and everything, but maybe it's all a show based on normal townie behavior. I haven't analyzed you in depth because it would take fucking forever

2. out of context, just explaining myself because very few here know me

3. I had a half-hour lunch break which was mostly spent walking to a pizza place and eating, I didn't have two hours

4. you're the fourth person to point that out, baaa baaa

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>translation, you voted just to throw shit at the wall... if you're town you're really bad at this
(same goes if you're maf)

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this feels like bad logic mixed with projection, idk it's hard to comment cuz it makes no sense to me

TvK day 1 (cont.)
26. 50/50 on TYG and Third, Dan/Leone is distracting, day 1 is important Third, I’m certainly gonna be hunting as much as possible
27. I ain’t memein, does TYG think Dan is confusing or scummy
28, 46. wants Orange to post more stuff
29. votes Sportsguy
30. PAF is scummy, thanks Zoran [don’t like this post, reaching pretty hard] (#203)
31. Sportsguy’s not here, I’m not forgetting about him, gonna vote PAF though
32. no reason to think there’s more than two factions
33, 42. wants PAF to explain himself more
34. ah, OP says there are neutrals [this was pointed out by multiple people as a potential scumslip and then forgotten about, I personally don’t think it’s a scumslip]
35. TYG/Third are null, YS is distracting, wants Orange to keep posting
36, 37. I like my PAF vote
38. wants Brian to post more stuff
39. most of the time there’s only two factions, sorry
40. hi Brian, any questions about anything
41. Asks everyone for their thoughts on PAF and then summarizes PAF’s highlights so far [really good post]
43. thinks jester is more common than angel [wrong]
44. welcomes Brian, wants Brian to post
45. presses John to be strong about exposing his scumreads
47, 51, 63. I remember PAF being confident in previous games
48, 53. calls out Orange, thinks an Orange flip will give lots of info
49. presses PAF, give us reads and find the scum
50. will everyone be around at end of day? Will everyone be voting?
52. sorry, overlooked PAF’s vote
54. what are PAF’s thoughts on Orange’s recent posts
55. what are PAF’s thoughts on John’s fence-sitting
56. what are PAF’s thoughts on TYG and Dan, why is he voting for Dan
57. presses Brian, wants Brian to vote
58. thinks Brian should have an opinion on Orange
59. encourages town to pick wagons and vote
60. encourages Brian to vote but limits his choices, maybe encouraging him to pick from one of two wagons [overall I like this post] (#433)
61. day 1 is important
62. tallies votes and asks Orange to vote
64. ignores Leone’s BS and reiterates that he just wants people to vote
65. elegant response to John’s worries about t/t wagons on day 1 [I like this post] (#451)
66. says he’s trying to help Brian and encouraging Brian to pick one of his own scumreads after Leone questions TvK potentially pigeonholing Brian into picking PAF/Orange; says no one else is interacting with Brian anyway
67. I’m working to build wagons and nobody’s going for it so I think one of them is scum [he says PAF/Dan/Orange here so presumably he thinks Orange is scum now]
68, 69. no Brian, there’s lots of info, we don’t have to play the math
70. PAF do you think Dan is scummy, if so start a wagon, if not are there any other candidates for your vote
71. isn’t convinced that Orange’s behavior is scummy unless PAF/Orange are m/m
72. doesn’t like B.Ray jumping to PAF wagon
73. maybe B.Ray is maf, not PAF
74. maybe I’m gonna VOTE for B.Ray
75. I really AM GONNA VOTE for B.Ray
76. sometimes it sounds like Orange is getting coached by a maf buddy
77, 78. Wants PAF to clarify his list of leans
79. I would expect more votes for Orange
80. why is TYG voting for Orange when Dan is also voting for Orange and Dan is a scumread for TYG
81. wants TYG to talk about B.Ray
82. isn’t early in a wagon the best time for a bus vote [reaching]
83. Dan isn’t scummy, I’ll have to go back to PAF if nobody wants B.Ray
84, 85. Wants Brian to add more content and explain his own decisions
86. does B.Ray think I’m maf? If so why would you follow my voting suggestions? What other reasons do you have for voting for PAF? [good post]
87, 88. thinks B.Ray might know who’s who behind the scenes
89, 90. B.Ray appears to have ulterior motives and is hiding behind other people’s reasoning when voting
91. I can’t see Dan/Orange/PAF all as mafia
92, 93. B.Ray is my strongest scumlean, I’ve been pushing for it [calls out Leone’s BS again]
94, 96, 97, 101, 102, 104. Presses B.Ray a lot
95. who we lynchin bros, where’s everybody at
98, 100. If B.Ray flips scum: PAF is town, John is likely town, TYG looks better, people on PAF wagon look bad, so this is a lot of info and B.Ray is a good lynch
99, 103. wants Leone to explain himself
105. B.Ray ain’t happenin, better vote PAF

B.Ray wrote on 08/26/17 at 12:50:55:


are you reading my posts?

"fwiw Orange’s early day 1 try on TvK into TvK’s response here (#66) to Orange’s response (#71) all seems pretty natural. Anyone else have thoughts on this re: Orange, maybe it gives him a bit of town credit? Dan interprets this sequence as maf Orange trying to bulldog TvK into a super early day 1 lynch, which would be quite ambitious from Orange. Leone later agrees with Dan and TvK questions both of them on this point."

I don't hate the Orange wagon, I just don't like it as much as I used to. You're my favorite wagon right now, I just don't want all the votes to be on you.

Im gonna move on briefly to #2 on my agenda because all this word-twisting and he-said-he-did nonsense is getting confusing. I can't properly commentate on what I cant follow and imo going one person at a time should help...

Zwiebel day 2
1. Dan/PAF both town means vote switching between them is worthless info, I feel better about PAF and worse about B.Ray [consistent], where’s Orange, list of reads (#738)
2, 3. Big post about TYG:
-doesn’t like his approach to Orange early on
-lots of Dan/Leone speculation [yup]
-after a big break, he comes back and points out fishy things about Dan, doesn’t vote Dan right away, eventually does [on the basis of trusting Leone the most]
-criticizes PAF but doesn’t maf-lean him
-maybe trying to deflect attention away from being online and not posting
-m/m Orange/TYG unlikely
-lots of zig-zagging looks weird but would be surprising from maf
4, 5. John/TVK probably town
6, 7, 8, 9. Presses B.Ray
10. Downplays seriousness of wording for night activity [agree with this]
11. Asks Leone straight up what the shenanigans are about
12. Thinks introducing a 3rd wagon as a bus is highly unlikely [agree with this]

my thoughts

I'll leave this as a town lean, nothing bad, different style than TvK/Zoran and it's not as convincing but for day 2 this is quite alright