I prepared a couple of posts, gonna post them all now:

Wagonomics post incoming!

As of #500 (~5 hours before EoD), the wagons were as follows (voters are listed in the order in which they voted):
PAF (4): Zoran, TvK, Third, Brian
Orange (2): Dan, Timur
Dan (2): Leone, PAF
Brian (1): John
Third (1): Sportsguy
no vote (2): Orange, Lewis

Were any scum already on PAF? If not, there's ample opportunity to join.

By the time we get to #550 (3 hours before EoD):
PAF (4): Zoran, Third, Brian, Timur
Orange (2): Dan, Lewis
Brian (2): John, TvK
Dan (2): Leone, PAF
no vote (2): Sportsguy, Orange

TvK switched to Brian, joining me. Timur switched from Orange to PAF. Sportsguy removes his vote, and Lewis finally votes (Orange) to join Dan. As before, if there are no scum on PAF at this point, now is a great opportunity to join.

As we near EoD (~1 hour until EoD, up to #600):
PAF (3): Third, Brian, Timur
Dan (3): Leone, PAF, Zoran
Orange (2): Dan, Lewis
Brian (2): John, TvK
no vote (2): Sportsguy, Orange

Only one change in these 2 hours: Zoran switches away from PAF, onto Dan, causing a tie at this point.

Up to #650 (20 minutes before EoD!):
Brian (4): John, TvK, Lewis, PAF
PAF (3): Third, Brian, Timur
Dan (2): Leone, Zoran
no vote (2): Sportsguy, Orange
Orange (1): Dan

Starting to see some late mix-up here...Lewis jumps over to Brian wagon off of Orange, followed immediately by PAF (who was probably trying to vote for whatever would save him). If Brian is town, are the scum already on this wagon? If they aren't, now's the time to safely hammer home a mislynch - this would have been the perfect opportunity to jump aboard as the wagon was taking off. So the options are: either Brian is town and therefore all 3 wagons at this point were on town, or Brian is scum. Which of these scenarios do the rest of you find most likely?

For the EoD craziness, 6 more votes happened, I think we should look at each in order...
Sportsguy #663, votes PAF: PAF 4, Brian 4, Dan 2, Orange 1, none 1 - currently tied between PAF and Brian. Sportsguy, why did you vote to send this to a tie, what didn't you like about the Brian wagon?
Leone #664, votes PAF: PAF 5, Brian 4, Dan 1, Orange 1, none 1 - reasoning for vote was to purposefully send to a tie (not realizing Sportsguy had just sent it to a tie with the previous post)
Leone #665, votes Dan: PAF 4, Brian 4, Dan 2, Orange 1, none 1 - undoes his previous vote, sends it back to a tie
Dan #697, votes PAF: PAF 5, Brian 4, Dan 2, none 1 - Dan breaks the tie, he didn't like the Brian wagon (because of me, I think?)
TvK #698, votes PAF: PAF 6, Brian 3, Dan 2, none 1 - this was also to break the tie. TvK, why did you think PAF was a better lynch than 50/50 PAF/Brian? If you were confident enough in the Brian wagon, isn't it better that he has a *chance* to be the lynch?
Lewis #699, votes Dan: PAF 6, Dan 3, Brian 2, none 1 - says he was following Leone. Why did you do this Lewis? At the time you were making this post, it was tied between PAF and Brian, there was no way Dan was going to be the kill...so effectively you also chose to break the tie and lynch PAF, even without voting him.

Out of this final set, I think the votes that deserve the most scrutiny are Sportsguy, TvK, and Lewis. I'd like to hear some good explanations for these 3 votes. All three of you effectively chose PAF over Brian as the lynch candidate, why?

Last thing - let's see who all voted for whom at *any* point! Once again, not counting rvs (up to #25)
PAF (8): Dan, TvK, Leone, Zoran, Sportsguy, Third, Zwiebel, Brian - only Orange (who ended with no vote), Lewis (who I just mentioned above), and myself were never on him
Dan (6): Leone, PAF, Zoran, Orange, Lewis, Timur
Orange (4): Dan, John, Lewis, Timur
Brian (4): TvK, John, PAF, Lewis
Sportsguy (2): TvK, Third
Third (1): Sportsguy
TvK, John, Leone, Zoran, Lewis, Timur (0): no vote pressure applied on any of these players

I dunno what to make of this last info atm, but no harm in posting it since I compiled it anyway lol. Plenty enough different people were on Dan at varying points in the game...now that we know Dan was town, there must be at least some scum in there (if all 6 of those players are townies, any scum would have joined the wagon at some point and pushed for it more, since clearly plenty of townies were interested).

Once again, that's a lot of info dumped on everyone...lemme know what you folks think if any of this is helpful.

B.Ray wrote on 08/26/17 at 09:42:06:


Here is your 835:

B.Ray wrote on 08/26/17 at 09:19:06:


and here is John's 816:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/26/17 at 07:02:28:


So let me be more clear this time. He asked for the reasons on you reads on John, Zwiebel and Sporstguy, now where in 835 did you mention Zwiebel or Sprortsguy?

You say reads on them already changed but Sportsguy hadn't posted since you put the list up. How and why did your reads on Zwibel change?

And again, there are 171 posts from those 3 guys, is #835 all you got to say about them?

Zoran I was talking about Z in the 2nd half of that post regarding the befriending thing,  not John. Sports guy I'm pretty close to neutral about, did Dan like him? Also I don't want this conversation to distract others from posting their opinions on who should kill and where people are at on their pecking order.

And again, there are 171 posts from those 3 guys, is #835 all you got to say about them?

The reads I didn't give reasoning for were just they way these players came across to me on D1. Already they have slightly changed. Maybe I'm easily influenced but John is sparking good conversation.  It's mostly just how he reacted to Day 1 nonsense and trying to befriend  me when the heat was on me. Just a tactic I would do if I was scum. Especially since my image in this forum is noob it makes sense for at least 1 Mafia to try and befriend me/stick up for me  thinking that I will trust them because of it. Unfourtunately for them That's not how I operate in this game.

We found DansGame dead in front of his N64. He was playing playing on a flatscreen TV,
it seems. He was Diamond, a member of the Town.

TvK showed up late to the gathering; it seems he took a nasty stab wound, but he was somehow recovering despite what appears to be a horrendous job of patching up. It seems he was attacked and "healed", if one can call that mess of bandages a healing...

How much more content do you want Day 2? I have posted everything I know up to date and this demand for more content to me seems like a distraction from waiting to hear people thoughts about the TVK/Lewis theory as well. Why when I've been posting the most content  that I have all game are you now all of a sudden against me? I didn't do much at all day 1 and you were fine with me, this is fishy af to me.

How much more content do you want Day 2?

 I have posted everything I know up to date and this demand for more content to me seems like a distraction from waiting to hear people thoughts about the TVK/Lewis theory as well.

Why when I've been posting the most content  that I have all game are you now all of a sudden against me? I didn't do much at all day 1 and you were fine with me, this is fishy af to me.

@zoran SINCE you asked (#710) ill run through the possibilities:

I THINK SHOCK'S WORDING LEAVES A MAJOR CLUE, TOO, BTW. SEE MORE ON THIS BELOW. shoulda been more clear on that in my earlier posts today but i wasnt.

Here's what I think logically follows:::::::

- DAN SCENARIO 1: this man was hot on scum trail and scum wanted him ded so they killed him.
- DAN SCENARIO 2: this man was on several ppls' (including my) scumdar™ so they thought he wouldnt have doc protection (which turned out to be teh case, w/ the tvk thing).
- DAN SCENARIO 3: this man was NOT the mafia's target, and some other fag decided they were too impatient and killed him to see his flip. (This implies TVK scenario 1 or 2.)
- DAN SCENARIO 4: this man was NOT the mafia's target, AND was also NOT some other fag's target, but he died cuz he had a bodyguard sort of role.

idk the memes about diamond (someone ples fill me in) so idk what sort of powers a diamond-role woulda had but im not ruling anything out rn

- TVK scenario 1: maf tried to off this man cuz he was hot on scum trail
- TVK scenario 2: maf tried to off this man cuz he looked like a safe target (iirc everyone had town or neutral reads on him going into N1)
- TVK scenario 3: some non-maf fag thinks he's scum and tried to off him
- TVK scenario 4: the man was NOBODY'S target and had a bodyguard role of some sort, and just happened to have doc protection

Now, which do I think is the case????

Well, let's check out shock's wording:

Shock wrote on 08/25/17 at 12:35:11:


Things to note:

>No word on HOW Dan died.
>TVK was STABBED. iirc in these games mafia SHOOT ppl to kill them? unless it's different this game?

ANYway, assuming the above notes are valid, we can immediately rule out TVK scenarios 1 and 2, and Dan scenario 3. This wording sock used implies Dan was either the maf's target or a bodyguard, and TVK was some fag's target, or a bodyguard. (If we even have any bodyguard-esque roles, who knows lol)

Further, even if you think bodyguards exist in this game (which im not convinced on myself), raw math favors the possibilities of intentional targets over bodyguarded targets. I'm not ruling out Dan scenario 4 or TVK scenario 4, BUT if I had to guess, MAF shot Dan and some random fag stabbed TVK.

Thoughts??????????

@Leone

Since you were on that subject already, I thought about the wording of shock too. Thing is, do you really think a Townie would "stab" TvK on N1 without there being much of a case against him? I think chances are slim. On top of that, vigilante normally "shoots" his targets too...

Also I don't get your bodyguard point, bodyguard role protects people and not kill them...

Then again, I still have no clue why Maf would kill Dan, in my mind it would make much more sense that if there's an SK, he would've been the one to kill Dan and Maf tried to kill TvK.

Don't know if we can really take that wording so serious.