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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #750 - 08/25/17 at 16:42:04

B.Ray wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:38:07:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/25/17 at 14:22:07:

Brian, I would like you to address this specifically:

With 20 minutes left before EoD, you had the most votes on you (voters were me, TvK, Lewis, and PAF). If you are a townie, there are 2 scenarios here:
- some scum is already on you. Why would those scum move to secure a PAF mislynch instead? Either way, scum would get a mislynch if you are town. Why wouldn't they let the townies choose which of you dies?
- no scum are already on you. Why would scum *not* join this, the leading wagon? Who do you think the scum were on at this point if none are on you? Do you think all 3 wagons (you, Dan, PAF) were town and scum just didn't care which mislynch they got?

The main point is this: given that you were the leading wagon with 20 minutes to go, why would people (TvK and Lewis) leave your wagon to secure another lynch instead? Were they innocent, fooled townies?

Yes, great point. I trust TVK and Lewis a ton now. Obviously I was wrong about PAF and right on Dan. If 2or 3 townies are going at it and leading the votes, what is mafia going to do? Sit back and say literally nothing. I think we need to go back and see if any players that are usually active were quiet around that time. To me the fact that lots of people were silent when the potential orange wagon was discussed make orange look bad to me.

I thought I was your top scumread yesterday? How did me hopping to another town wagon get me all the way up to one of your top townreads? Same goes for TYG, who jumped straight onto your top townread. Can you give me another reason why you think Orange is scum? Who else do you think is scum after the flips we got? What do you think of the people that voted Orange during the day (Zwiebel, John, TYG)? Two of those people ended up voting you as well? How is that possible?

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #753 - 08/25/17 at 17:02:23

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:11:21:

Orange Slices wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:01:34:

I completely understand why my vote and accusations appear to make no sense. My vote on Dan was completely abrupt and out of nowhere. It was around 9:50 pm when I started writing that post and mum wanted me in bed soon, so I decided I had to find something which appeared suspicious and scummy and give reasons for my accusation because otherwise I would have gone to bed and the votes would have been finalised before morning, so I had to use my vote where I could.

Are trying to look more scummy? You even call your own vote a bad one. You're actually saying that you first decided to vote Dan (a strong player and now confirmed town) and only then decided to look if something appeared suspicious enough so you could give some weight to it? You are litterally describing scum tactics here.

I called my vote a "bad" one due to Dan being confirmed town. Is it not right to call one's own vote as bad when it was targetted at somebody who is now town? I never even said that my vote was bad anywhere in that post, I said I understood why it came off as nonsensical, due to the way that I went about voting for him.

Moreover, if you had suspicions on somebody, but wasn't sure whether to vote them or not, would it not make sense to wait until there is reasonable evidence to back up your claim? Otherwise, the vote would have no justification behind it, regardless of how inaccurate that evidence may end up being.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #754 - 08/25/17 at 17:06:31

Orange Slices wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:02:23:

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:11:21:

Orange Slices wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:01:34:

I completely understand why my vote and accusations appear to make no sense. My vote on Dan was completely abrupt and out of nowhere. It was around 9:50 pm when I started writing that post and mum wanted me in bed soon, so I decided I had to find something which appeared suspicious and scummy and give reasons for my accusation because otherwise I would have gone to bed and the votes would have been finalised before morning, so I had to use my vote where I could.

Are trying to look more scummy? You even call your own vote a bad one. You're actually saying that you first decided to vote Dan (a strong player and now confirmed town) and only then decided to look if something appeared suspicious enough so you could give some weight to it? You are litterally describing scum tactics here.

I called my vote a "bad" one due to Dan being confirmed town. Is it not right to call one's own vote as bad when it was targetted at somebody who is now town? I never even said that my vote was bad anywhere in that post, I said I understood why it came off as nonsensical, due to the way that I went about voting for him.
Moreover, if you had suspicions on somebody, but wasn't sure whether to vote them or not, would it not make sense to wait until there is reasonable evidence to back up your claim? Otherwise, the vote would have no justification behind it, regardless of how inaccurate that evidence may end up being.

I prefer people to make a decision to go on record with a vote. Even if your reasoning is terrible.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #755 - 08/25/17 at 17:16:56

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:06:31:

Orange Slices wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:02:23:

I called my vote a "bad" one due to Dan being confirmed town. Is it not right to call one's own vote as bad when it was targetted at somebody who is now town? I never even said that my vote was bad anywhere in that post, I said I understood why it came off as nonsensical, due to the way that I went about voting for him.
Moreover, if you had suspicions on somebody, but wasn't sure whether to vote them or not, would it not make sense to wait until there is reasonable evidence to back up your claim? Otherwise, the vote would have no justification behind it, regardless of how inaccurate that evidence may end up being.

I prefer people to make a decision to go on record with a vote. Even if your reasoning is terrible.

What do you mean by making a decision to go on record? Is this to create my own evidence or to use multiple posts as evidence rather than one that stood out?

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #756 - 08/25/17 at 17:21:08

Orange Slices wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:02:23:

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:11:21:

Orange Slices wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:01:34:

I completely understand why my vote and accusations appear to make no sense. My vote on Dan was completely abrupt and out of nowhere. It was around 9:50 pm when I started writing that post and mum wanted me in bed soon, so I decided I had to find something which appeared suspicious and scummy and give reasons for my accusation because otherwise I would have gone to bed and the votes would have been finalised before morning, so I had to use my vote where I could.

Are trying to look more scummy? You even call your own vote a bad one. You're actually saying that you first decided to vote Dan (a strong player and now confirmed town) and only then decided to look if something appeared suspicious enough so you could give some weight to it? You are litterally describing scum tactics here.

I called my vote a "bad" one due to Dan being confirmed town. Is it not right to call one's own vote as bad when it was targetted at somebody who is now town? I never even said that my vote was bad anywhere in that post, I said I understood why it came off as nonsensical, due to the way that I went about voting for him.

Moreover, if you had suspicions on somebody, but wasn't sure whether to vote them or not, would it not make sense to wait until there is reasonable evidence to back up your claim? Otherwise, the vote would have no justification behind it, regardless of how inaccurate that evidence may end up being.

There are two types of bad votes: you can either vote for the wrong person, or you can use the wrong reasons to vote for a person. Yes it is obvious that in hindsight your vote on Dan was bad because Dan flipped town. However, I call your vote bad because it was nonsensical.

You can say now that you were suspicious of Dan all you want. Fact is, you never ever said that before you came out of the blue and voted him. You promised us a list of your scumreads, but you never came up with that. What you are describing is a gut feeling. I like gut feelings. Some people can solve games because their gut feeling is leading them. You never even said you had a gut feeling that Dan was scum. If you wanted hard evidence to confirm your suspicions, you should have asked questions to Dan. If anything caught your eye, you should have pointed that out. You never did such things.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #757 - 08/25/17 at 17:25:03

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 14:23:22:

First of all, I would like to know what everyone's thoughts are of the final couple of minutes before the end of day, especially with PAF and Dan's flips in mind. Thiradell and Orange have some serious explaining to do. Where were you guys when the end of the day got closer?

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 14:23:22:

Then, what are people's thoughts on the other two people that had more than one vote on them during day 1, namely Orange and B.Ray. Do you think they mare more likely to be scum after the flips? And which one of the two is more likely to be scum? Keep in mind that Orange's only vote in the day was on Dan (confirmed town) and B.Ray's only vote was on PAF (confirmed town).

I really want you to answer these questions, Orange. You knew when day 1 was going to end from the very start of this game. I do not expect you to be glued to this thread the entire final hours of the day. I do expect you to at least let us know if you're not going to be around and to say when you are able to come online before the day ends. And I especially expect you to use your vote as I have said the entire first day.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #758 - 08/25/17 at 17:26:11

Orange Slices wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:16:56:

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:06:31:

Orange Slices wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:02:23:

I called my vote a "bad" one due to Dan being confirmed town. Is it not right to call one's own vote as bad when it was targetted at somebody who is now town? I never even said that my vote was bad anywhere in that post, I said I understood why it came off as nonsensical, due to the way that I went about voting for him.
Moreover, if you had suspicions on somebody, but wasn't sure whether to vote them or not, would it not make sense to wait until there is reasonable evidence to back up your claim? Otherwise, the vote would have no justification behind it, regardless of how inaccurate that evidence may end up being.

I prefer people to make a decision to go on record with a vote. Even if your reasoning is terrible.

What do you mean by making a decision to go on record? Is this to create my own evidence or to use multiple posts as evidence rather than one that stood out?

Nothing to do with evidence. Just voting. A record of who you thought was mafia at the time of your vote.

I like everyone to vote for someone and i don't really like votes on someone late in the game when its obvious that person won't be lynched.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #759 - 08/25/17 at 17:32:46

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:42:04:

B.Ray wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:38:07:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/25/17 at 14:22:07:

Brian, I would like you to address this specifically:

With 20 minutes left before EoD, you had the most votes on you (voters were me, TvK, Lewis, and PAF). If you are a townie, there are 2 scenarios here:
- some scum is already on you. Why would those scum move to secure a PAF mislynch instead? Either way, scum would get a mislynch if you are town. Why wouldn't they let the townies choose which of you dies?
- no scum are already on you. Why would scum *not* join this, the leading wagon? Who do you think the scum were on at this point if none are on you? Do you think all 3 wagons (you, Dan, PAF) were town and scum just didn't care which mislynch they got?

The main point is this: given that you were the leading wagon with 20 minutes to go, why would people (TvK and Lewis) leave your wagon to secure another lynch instead? Were they innocent, fooled townies?

Yes, great point. I trust TVK and Lewis a ton now. Obviously I was wrong about PAF and right on Dan. If 2or 3 townies are going at it and leading the votes, what is mafia going to do? Sit back and say literally nothing. I think we need to go back and see if any players that are usually active were quiet around that time. To me the fact that lots of people were silent when the potential orange wagon was discussed make orange look bad to me.

I thought I was your top scumread yesterday? How did me hopping to another town wagon get me all the way up to one of your top townreads? Same goes for TYG, who jumped straight onto your top townread. Can you give me another reason why you think Orange is scum? Who else do you think is scum after the flips we got? What do you think of the people that voted Orange during the day (Zwiebel, John, TYG)? Two of those people ended up voting you as well? How is that possible?

You were never my top scum or I would have voted for you. although, you grilled me pretty hard actually so much so it got under my skin irl. To me it seems unlikely that if you were Mafia you would switch your vote from one town to another right before the voting ends especially when I had the most votes. Surely this would draw attention to you and you would get heat on D2. Because I know I'm Town I can say likely you are too with TYG/Lewis (same guy?). I don't have any other reads on Orange that haven't already been mentioned. Main one being the lack of wagon on him yesterday when his name was being called out that scares me especially now that we know 2/3 actual wagons were Town.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #760 - 08/25/17 at 17:40:50

B.Ray wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:32:46:

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:42:04:

B.Ray wrote on 08/25/17 at 16:38:07:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/25/17 at 14:22:07:

Brian, I would like you to address this specifically:

With 20 minutes left before EoD, you had the most votes on you (voters were me, TvK, Lewis, and PAF). If you are a townie, there are 2 scenarios here:
- some scum is already on you. Why would those scum move to secure a PAF mislynch instead? Either way, scum would get a mislynch if you are town. Why wouldn't they let the townies choose which of you dies?
- no scum are already on you. Why would scum *not* join this, the leading wagon? Who do you think the scum were on at this point if none are on you? Do you think all 3 wagons (you, Dan, PAF) were town and scum just didn't care which mislynch they got?

The main point is this: given that you were the leading wagon with 20 minutes to go, why would people (TvK and Lewis) leave your wagon to secure another lynch instead? Were they innocent, fooled townies?

Yes, great point. I trust TVK and Lewis a ton now. Obviously I was wrong about PAF and right on Dan. If 2or 3 townies are going at it and leading the votes, what is mafia going to do? Sit back and say literally nothing. I think we need to go back and see if any players that are usually active were quiet around that time. To me the fact that lots of people were silent when the potential orange wagon was discussed make orange look bad to me.

I thought I was your top scumread yesterday? How did me hopping to another town wagon get me all the way up to one of your top townreads? Same goes for TYG, who jumped straight onto your top townread. Can you give me another reason why you think Orange is scum? Who else do you think is scum after the flips we got? What do you think of the people that voted Orange during the day (Zwiebel, John, TYG)? Two of those people ended up voting you as well? How is that possible?

You were never my top scum or I would have voted for you. although, you grilled me pretty hard actually so much so it got under my skin irl. To me it seems unlikely that if you were Mafia you would switch your vote from one town to another right before the voting ends especially when I had the most votes. Surely this would draw attention to you and you would get heat on D2. Because I know I'm Town I can say likely you are too with TYG/Lewis (same guy?). I don't have any other reads on Orange that haven't already been mentioned. Main one being the lack of wagon on him yesterday when his name was being called out that scares me especially now that we know 2/3 actual wagons were Town.

You are still my top scumread. Why do you think that your biggest townread is still scumreading you? If you want to convince me that Orange is more likely scum, then you're going to have to try harder than you are right now. What about your reads on other people? Who are your other townreads? And your other sculreads?

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #761 - 08/25/17 at 17:53:36

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:25:03:

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 14:23:22:

First of all, I would like to know what everyone's thoughts are of the final couple of minutes before the end of day, especially with PAF and Dan's flips in mind. Thiradell and Orange have some serious explaining to do. Where were you guys when the end of the day got closer?

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 14:23:22:

Then, what are people's thoughts on the other two people that had more than one vote on them during day 1, namely Orange and B.Ray. Do you think they mare more likely to be scum after the flips? And which one of the two is more likely to be scum? Keep in mind that Orange's only vote in the day was on Dan (confirmed town) and B.Ray's only vote was on PAF (confirmed town).

I really want you to answer these questions, Orange. You knew when day 1 was going to end from the very start of this game. I do not expect you to be glued to this thread the entire final hours of the day. I do expect you to at least let us know if you're not going to be around and to say when you are able to come online before the day ends. And I especially expect you to use your vote as I have said the entire first day.

As for your first question, I was asleep when the EoD drew closer. I understood that the night phase would begin early on in the morning (Australian time) and I really wanted to search for suspicious posts from separate people or another post from Dan which would have double-backed the claim which I unvoted on. Unfortunately, I had already told mum I'd finished my homework 5 minutes prior to the post where I voted being done and she wanted us to all catch up on that day's episode of a show we always watch (we've moved houses a few month's ago and the TV cable still isn't installed due to outlet issues). We've been watching on my laptop since we've moved in and I thought it would be a very bad move to refuse her offer, due to me saying I'd finished my work. Did I know this was going to happen? No, of course not. If I knew exactly how much time I had before I could not post anymore D1 I would have kept my vote (the reasoning behind it seemed alright at the time). In hindsight, I should have seen this coming.

As for when I'm going to be offline, I'll post whenever I'm going to be off for more than 4 hours at a time so that my inactivity isn't regarded as dodging questions if somebody asks me something during my absence.

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Reply #763 - 08/25/17 at 18:13:46

holy fucking shit i was off goddammit HOW WAS DAN TOWN

this is depressing, my D1 reads were all fucked Angry

quick comments before i go into more detail cuz im geeking out watching Harvey make landfall rn

>dan played like shit as town wow, he came off as so scummy, but atleast his wide array of interactions gives us alot to work with, and ofc ill try to break it all down later on
>to me sportsguy looks better, i had a slight maf lean on him going into N1 cuz it felt like he was ignoring everything i had on dan BUT it was all bs and he kinda caught that (or just ignored it, idk)
>thiradell orange zoran and timur look way worse, will elaborate on each

ALSO

I've not read D2 shit yet, but I think, just coming out of N1 with these actions/flips, we're dealing with STUPID maf, and NOT smart maf

why??

>They coulda let me continue needlessly hound on Dan for another day and make it into a mislynch organically, then use that to incriminate me and have town then turn me into a mislynch - this woulda been a 2 for 2 on taking out the 2 biggest/most active town in the game

and yet they killed Dan, who was a scumread for both myself and a few others

IF THIS LOGIC HOLDS (im really doubting myself right now for obvious reasons) then Orange and maybe Thira look a fuckton worse than they already did

ON THAT NOTE:

bbl to break everything (reads, interactions, wagonomics, today's interactions, etc) down in excruciatingly greater detail, i had literally 9 textwalls prepared for different ppl based on my reads going into N1 and all those fell apart as soon as Dan flipped town

fucking hell...

FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, any thoughts on this? is this worth anything? lol Undecided

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #766 - 08/25/17 at 18:23:25

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 18:19:35:

I'm off to bed now. I'll have a bit of time when I wake up, but after that I'm leaving and I'm not sure yet when I'm going to be able to come back to this thread. I really hope there's a good amount of discussion while I'm asleep.

Pretty much exactly the same for me. Working all weekend and won't be back on for an extended amount of time until 22 hrs from now.

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Reply #767 - 08/25/17 at 19:20:18

Thiradell wrote on 08/25/17 at 15:04:24:

I'm happy with my vote because multiple times PAF not only questioned his own play, but said that he understood why people were scumreading him. I've seen wolves/mafia do this a lot ("I understand why you might think I'm a wolf"), so I figured it was a good chance.

Back in a few hours probably

TvK and Orange already brought this up, but I'm going to do so as well to make sure you actually answer for the bolded statement. Standing behind your vote is one thing, but being happy that you contributed to a mislynch? Where do you think your evidence against him might have been wrong?

Been 4+ hours since your post, so hopefully you'll be back to address this in the near future while I'm on. I really want a full list of reads from you (and everyone else who hasn't posted them yet). Who is scum? Who is town? More importantly, WHY?

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Reply #768 - 08/25/17 at 19:24:10

TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:57:48:

Okay, can you now give us a total list of your reads. Try to explain why you place a person in a certain category (town, neutral, scum). Who do you think looks worse after you saw the flips of PAF and Dan? Who looks better? And especially, what do you think of B.Ray?

Town Leans
TvK - moderate town lean. Always questions people for justification behind their accusations and is very active (commonly associated with most good town players).

Zwiebel - Slight Town Lean. Immediately questioned my decision on voting for Dan and his reason behind voting for PAF made sense, (there was no elaboration on his reads and I was 60% town PAF's eyes, which of course was against popular opinion).

Johnboy - Slight town lean. His vote on B.ray was completely justified on post #497. Especially now that Brian literally told the mafia to kill good town players in #584

Neutral/Undecided

Leone/MKDS - My biggest neutral lean. The way his posts are done and his tendency to use smileys indicates he has some sort of jester role, which I don't believe would fit into either town or mafia.

No Control - Unsure.
Sportsguy - Unsure.

Mafia leans

TYG - Slight mafia lean. His only reason for voting Dan was that he trusted Leone the most. Quote:

PPL VOTE DAN LETS MAKE THE RNG 4 v 4 v 4!!!!11111!1

. Moreover, this was the only reason why he voted for Dan and it was done 3 minutes prior to EoD. Now that Dan is confirmed to be town, it would make sense for TYG to be more on the mafia side of the spectrum.

Thiradell - Moderate mafia lean. His inactivity in day one since post #353 is worrying. If there is no legitimate reason for his absence then I'm assuming he was communicating with other mafia members and forgot to keep posting.

B.Ray - My biggest mafia lean. Especially on posts 585 and 587 where Zwiebel and TvK called him out due to his possible slip when talking about good town players with regards to Dan and also why would he say in that same post to make the mafia use a kill on them? You are literally telling the mafia to target somebody who you see as a good town player. The mafia's objective is to do this - to lynch/kill good town players. Now that Dan is proven to be a town, post #584 seems all the more likely to be a slip.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #769 - 08/25/17 at 19:27:15

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1, 2. Joke about Zoran, vote for Zoran
3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 36. Don’t like TvK’s tone (“let’s get straight to the scumhunt”), it’s not jittery of me to say so
8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 18, 19, 21, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 33, 34, 37, 38, 39, 40, 43, 46, 48, 49, 50, 52, 53, 54, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 63, 67, 75, 83. Leone is Yoshistar, jester/angel
14, 16, 29, 64, 66, 69. if I was maf I would use maf chat (WIFOM), it’s not maffy to defend myself
15. I like Zoran pressuring PAF
17, 35, 51, 60, 62, 65, 101, 102. Fluff
20. I think PAF is town (#15?), I don’t like Orange
22, 23, 24. I don’t like what PAF said about Orange, votes Orange
26. Don’t be online and not talk (TYG)
32. TvK, what do you mean he isn’t a jester, he pushed on PAF in a weird way
41. defends sportsguy’s RV on me (trying to feel out a new player)
42. Orange is a good vote, tell me why it’s not if you don’t like it
44, 90. rrrrrrRRREALLLLLLLLY, ALLLLL of Leone’s posts are good?
45. here’s three Leone posts that aren’t bad (including one that I don’t think is bad), and his style is terrible by itself
47. you think Leone’s a jester and you think he has good content? (taking comments referencing different points in the game and jumbling them together)
55. LIST OF READS:
don’t lynch Leone (town/jester/angel)
not much content from Orange, maf vibe
liked PAF early on, post 68 is bad (this is roughly consistent with what Dan was saying in the thread at the time)
John – town, good tone, good play
Zoran – slight town, not much content
TvK – neutral, if Orange is scum then town
TYG – reacted to things naturally as he read them, town
Third – neutral
Sportsguy – null
61. John can be forgiven for not paying attention
68. why is TvK Orange’s strongest town lean after Orange initially called TvK scummy
70. TvK always plays the same
71, 78. maf want to kill non-maf, can’t out too many non-mafs all at once
72, 73. PAF evaluating me/Leone is towny (multiple flip-flops on PAF), PAF’s making an effort
74. Zoran’s lists are towny
75. odd post, he asserts that he almost certainly won’t be lynched on day 1, don’t give Zwiebel town credit just because of me
76. PAF always looks bad but I like some of what he’s done (consistent)
77. skimmed Zwiebel, he voted me, not gonna lynch him early game
79. TYG looks bad for reading everything and not voting
80. Orange can’t make up his mind whether he’s useless
81. sportsguy needs to contribute more but he looks alright
82. Third is usually quiet D1, PAF reads Orange as noob town which is good but maybe I should still vote PAF
83, 89. maf PAF acts more sure of himself, or does he act more confident after day 1?
84. I included TvK’s thoughts about Leone because TvK is strong and I wanted more discussion
85. I will vote for PAF to survive
86. Finding townies is good, finding strong town power roles is not
87. People disappear for long stretches of time so a vote cast a long time ago could remain
88. “I didn't say in that post that I was confident that I wouldn't get lynched today. I said that at the time in your mind you probably didn't vote for me because you thought I would get lynched. Now you are just twisting my words about something that doesn't even matter.” [honestly not sure about this one]
91. maybe PAF is maf because he’s covering his own ass
92. TvK said it right, let’s do a roll call for EoD
93. PAF is somehow more confident about John [don’t agree that PAF sounded more confident]
94. Sportsguy is good mafia and bad town
95, 97, 103, 104, 105. I haven’t been reading Leone’s posts ‘cause he’s such a L-O-S-E-R [verbatim quote]
96, 99. Why is B. Ray voting PAF with no explanation
98, 106. PAF and Orange could be maf partners, but let’s lynch Orange
100. Orange is super scummy for joining Zwieb and then unvoting after Zwieb votes him, Brian looks okay
107. I don’t want to lynch Leone, Zoran looks worse for reading it that way
108. MORE READS:
Orange – super maf, wagon didn’t lift off
John – accused Brian unjustly, twisted Brian’s words
Zwiebel – read Leone well, pushing Orange is good, twisting my words is bad
[these aren’t really reads]
109. EVEN MORE READS:
TYG – town [???]
Sportsguy – barely town
TvK – town
Zoran – neutral
Brian – slight town, suggested killing UTRs, had good thoughts on PAF
Third – don’t kill him (yet)
Leone – you already know (don’t lynch)
PAF – I feel worse about him than I did earlier [lmao]
110. Zoran, explain your [confusing] post
111. PAF is more scummy than Brian
112, 114. Brian’s fine, John’s wagon sucks, I don’t wanna lynch Brian
113. what do we learn by killing PAF? We learn more by killing Orange who looks worse
115. PAF

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #770 - 08/25/17 at 19:30:58

Orange Slices wrote on 08/25/17 at 17:02:23:

Moreover, if you had suspicions on somebody, but wasn't sure whether to vote them or not, would it not make sense to wait until there is reasonable evidence to back up your claim? Otherwise, the vote would have no justification behind it, regardless of how inaccurate that evidence may end up being.

Why would you *wait* for someone to provide evidence? GO FIND THINGS AND LET US KNOW! If you're suspicious of somebody, say so. If you want to convince others of your suspicions...find a way to do so. Don't wait for everyone else to confirm your suspicions, this is almost literally anti-town play. You are supposed to be *helping uncover the evidence* to out the scum, if you are a townie. So since you aren't trying to do that, how can I assume you are town?

Also, you are in no position to talk about justification on votes. Not only was your justification for your only vote terrible, but you immediately rescinded that vote and then ended up with no vote at all. There aren't many ways to be *worse* than this, in my eyes.

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Fant0m wrote on 12/17/11 at 15:59:31:

You could also do it just because you enjoyed hopping for no reason.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #771 - 08/25/17 at 19:32:36

so looking back at that

Leone mostly just tunneled Dan as wolf for insisting on the YS thing? correct me if I'm wrong, sir. This is of course a bit narrow-minded and Dan ended up doing quite a bit more on day 1. The main thing I noticed reviewing Dan was

15. I like Zoran pressuring PAF
20. I think PAF is town
22. I don't like what PAF said about Orange
55. PAF's post 68 was baaaad
72. PAF looks towny
76. PAF always looks bad but he looks kinda towny
82. PAF read Orange as noob town but still looks bad
83, 89. maf PAF acts more confident...or is this just day 1 PAF?
91. maybe PAF is maf
93. PAF is somehow more confident about John
98. PAF + Orange maf?
109. I feel worse about PAF than I did "earlier"
111. PAF is more scummy than Brian
115. kill him

This is a TON of flip-flopping for a wolf to fake and I'm sure they would be worried about doing half of this. Watch how much people flip-flop in the future, it won't be near this much. Dan was legitimately unsure about PAF for the entire day

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #772 - 08/25/17 at 19:36:11

re: me saying "I'm happy with my vote"

Hi guys, I'm trying to win the game, and most of the time on day 1 we lynch a townie because there are more townies than mafia. Rather than observing a triviality like "ah, too bad, a mislynch," I move on with the game, maybe offering a short explanation of why I voted, as I have occasionally helped snipe a mafia on day 1 using logic like I used in this game's day 1

gonna read the pages I missed before and then break down some more individuals

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #773 - 08/25/17 at 20:04:46

through #524

Leone doesn't like Zwiebel's idea to have Orange sort four groups of people from left to right on scummiest to towniest. I like Zwiebel's idea because Orange has said next to nothing so far, and this forces him to decide where to put his scumbuddies if he's maf. If he's not maf, it's a pretty simple task for a townie. Orange just doing this would give us a lot of info.

so I guess it could be Leone stepping in to defend Orange (m/m), though that seems a bit far-fetched

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Thiradell Elite Offline mmmmk seen 6357 mj vids Denver Gender:	Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2 Reply #774 - 08/25/17 at 20:17:29 "I would very much like to see how others see the points I've brought up. Am I right? Am I wrong? Am I paranoid? Am I insane? Are these concerns real? Is anything real? Some voices say things are real, others don't!" from #553 (guess who) you're insane and mega over-analyzing
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