***TEMPORARY CHARACTER BREAK, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO WARRANT IT. in other words DON'T SKIP THIS POST YOU FAGGOTS***Yes, yes, this psychotic break is a character, and a quite fun one at that, I most certainly must admit.
But alas, I think it's time for a more Serious™ post summarizing my case against Dan. I maybe, maybe not, broke character for this post because I think some people are slacking and skipping over posts which are harder to comprehend. I'm meeting those of you in that disposition in the middle with this treatise.
...or is
it, the psychotic break, a character? Is it real? Perhaps it's just a voice? Is what I'm doing right now a character? I voice? An act? A role? What of this, if any of it, is real? Does that even matter? Dan certainly thought it would. ...Or did he?
Come one, come all, and let us explore the convoluted mess that is, as I so lovingly call him, Sir Danskiy III, Esq. :
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Right out of the gate in #35 and 36 we see him imply that 1.) a role named YS exists, and 2.) I must fit that role:
Quote:Leone do you have a role that somehow effects how you post during the day?
Quote:Are you Yoshistar, Leone?
The only evidence he had
at this point (this will be important later) to base his assumptions off of were my memed-up "scumhunters unite or something" comment and my post/punctuation style shift.
He defended this in #39 and 40 when PAF jumped him for making the assumption:
Quote:Yoshistar is the only person I can think of who probably didn't end sentences with a period like most of the time. He also used "..." alot IIRC.
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So I can solve the game? ... Whether YS is a town or maf role is a different question
In the former, this defense looks extremely weak. In the latter, he doubles down on the assumption that a YS role exists. He pounds home the point in #46 by referencing my scumhunting comment, so it's probable he hadn't seen that before making his "Are you Yoshistar?" post:
Quote:No doubt about it, Leone is YS
In #47 he, with minimal pressure, makes the defense that "I wouldn't do x thing that I'm doing right now if I were mafia":
Quote:...Also I feel like if I were mafia I would have just posted that in mafia chat but you be the judge.
He then triples, down on the assumption that YS as a role exists in his content within #59 where he first introduces the idea that YS could be neutral, and doubles down on me=YS assumption in #60, while taking jabs at my meta and style:
Quote:Dude, Leone is 100% Yoshistar.
He doubles down again on these assumptions in #69:
Quote:I feel like Leone didn't want to just out that he was Yoshistar yet but it's really obvious that he is Yoshistar considering he hasn't ended a single sentence with a solitary period plus he threw in "scumhunters unite" and used a tm...
In #78 he tunnels hard on me in response to an objection by John:
Quote:Leone is Yoshistar, there is so much evidence to support that he is. His posts unfortunately are extremely annoying to read because of the punctuation and some of the dumb stuff in them. Whether his role PM forces him to post that way or whether he just chose to post that way because he was Yoshistar, it's really damn obvious.
Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is. If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.
Interesting things to note about this post:
> His backing of the claim in sentence 1 is vague and unfalsifiable.
> He hints that he wants to lynch me, DESPITE saying YS could be town or neutral in #59. He later claimed this was hyperbole, however.
In #84 and #87 he further suggests YS could be neutral and that my PAF vote could be jester-driven.
Shock enters at #88 and points out that only mafia know the names of the character roles in the game, then I point this out in #102.
He then said this in #96 and in #103:
Quote:I would still bet my life that Leone is Yoshistar.
I think he's 100% Yoshistar and like 50ish% a jester or angel
In #104 he provided this bit of dialogue:
Quote:Whether or not I'm a mafia member I think I pointed out more than enough reasons why I would think you were Yoshistar regardless. And if you want to say that you're not Yoshistar and that he doesn't have "22 personalities" then why don't you say who you actually are
Yet again, the assumption that a YS role exists surfaces, and in this post he asks me to roleclaim - not a very townlike thing to do on day one in my opinion.
In #113, he compiled a list of cherry-picked evidence that I'm YS:
Quote:1. scumhunters comment
2. lots of exclamation points, ellipses, question marks, and lack of singular periods
3. the use of "tm" in his posts (yoshistar's forum name is literally yoshistartm) (I don't know how to do super scripts but that is supposed to be a tm superscript)
4. lots of fluff posting, when has leone ever come out and posted that much ever in a game like this
5. very confusing posts
All 5 of these point to yoshistar.
Only one (the scumhunters comment) would've held any water and that showed up fresh out of the meme phase. 2 is vague as this could apply to other posters, and 4 and 5 are subjective and rely on arguments from personal incredulity: "I don't know why Leone is posting like this, therefore he's YS because YS posts sort of like this too!" This type of argumentation indicates confirmation bias, and the timing of this presentation could indicate a reaction to Shock's clarification and my usage thereof.
He again takes a jab in #115 at my stylistic change as a justification for thinking I'm a "jester/YS role".
Quote:The more I think about it the more I feel like he's exactly Yoshistar and a jester/angel.
I pressure him into answering why he thinks YS as a role exists in #127, and his defense, a strong one, perhaps, is "YS is a memer/meme so it'd make sense he would be a role." However, this gets him no closer to defending why I can fit that character
and that character alone.In #139 he cites #113 and #117 (an elaboration of #113 but nothing novel) as his evidence that I'm YS and asks someone to explain,
Quote:Also how am I tunneling nonsense? Sure I am tunneling, but we have so little concrete to go off of on Day 1 and yet I have what I consider as really solid evidence that Leone is likely Yoshistar. See posts 113 and 117.
, so I oblige in #149.
In #146 Dan posts what, looking back at the evidence available when he posed the question "Are you Yoshistar?", appears to me to be a post-hoc rationalization and attempt to cover his tracks after Shock clarified that maf know role names.
In #158 he shifts focus completely and starts posing the question of whether or not I'm an 'angel'.
In my vote post, I made a statement, an excerpt from which I think needs to be reposted:
Quote:Surely, if other roles COULD exist in this game which MIGHT fit my insanity, he would have considered them as options, and would've been less dogmatic about me=YS, no??? Maf know 100% what roles exist, so there's no question for them as to whether a given character role happens to be in the game.
Then again in #195 he points to #113/117 as justification for thinking my role=YS, despite my rebuttal to #113 in #149:
Quote:The thing is, I do think his character is clear, why would I "admit" that it isn't? Again see posts 113 and 117 to see why I feel this way.
In #205 he makes this claim:
Quote:I think Leone was a very possible lynch candidate based on the confusing style of his posts and his extremely different playstyle this game. I then evaluated that style as likely due to a specific role he was given and/or due to being a jester/angel.
However, he made the comment about wanting to lynch me in #78 and first considered the possibility that I=jester/angel in #59. (See above for excerpts)
Then in #249 after a small break in posting he makes this statement:
Quote:Also I think Leone is more likely angel than jester which usually means if he doesn't get lynched today he becomes VT.
As though he never left the topic of my identity.
To this point he's done some other digging on the side but not a lot beyond jabs at low-hanging fruit (Orange for example and bad pafposts).
In #295 he repeats his #249 sentiments with another reference to my style (not my content).
Then in #303 he repeats his defense that "I wouldn't be doing x thing I'm doing if I were maf":
Quote:If I was maf why would I be trying to confirm someone as a non-maf and broadcast it to the world? Maf would still have to waste a night kill in that scenario and it's very possible that he could be saved. I would no doubt be talking about such possibilities with mafia buddies in a chat it that were the case instead of broadcasting it out here.
We had a back-and-forth on this in ensuing posts. In my view his defense for this defense was tepid, and he made a lot of WIFOM retreats.
In #341 he cites past toen-accomplishments as an argument to be kept alive, despite having only three votes at this point:
Quote:You guys are seriously dumb if you're going to lynch me on D1 over someone like Orange who contributes next to nothing. I feel like I have played extremely well on D2 most games as town once we have legitimate infornation to go off of, I picked J-Cop off as mafia in one and nailed TvK and YS as maf partners in another.
In #345 #346 and #347 it feels
to me as though he's attempting to pocket PAF and Zoran, one who had a vote on Dan and the other who compiled a quote-dig on him:
Quote:I actually like this post. I think the way PAF is trying to read the interactions between me and Leone is townie. And I agree with him that scumhunting, while important, is not the only important thing in the game nor is it the only useful thing a townie can do.
He may have said he can't read TvK well but he's making an effort to do so and he also noticed that interesting fact. I am feeling better about PAF again
I like that Zoran has been trying to make list posts for each player like in 277 where he dissects things that he thinks are important that he said. So far in his post about John he hasn't given me any reason to think he's mafia.
Then, he said this in #349:
Quote:I think it's usually a safe assumption that I won't wind up getting lynched on D1. And honestly the Leone stuff at this point really doesn't matter. Whether we think he's a jester angel or town we are not lynching him.
First sentence feels weird for reasons Timur brought up. Second and third sentences strongly point to him trying to write me off as useless input, for whatever reason DESPITE the fact that he thinks I'm not maf. If he's maf this could be because I've been leading investigations against him since the beginning.
In #383 he makes this comment:
Quote:Well I know that I am town and we are getting closer to EoD, obviously even if I think PAF is town I would vote to lynch him for me to survive if I had to.
This comes off as jittery to me, especially since he only had 2-3 votes then.
He then mentions this in #469 after another break in posting:
Quote:I actually stopped reading his posts because they were so annoying to decipher and because I'm convinced he's not mafia anyway
and defends this with
Quote:They would be if you stopped writing your posts like you were a 7 year old on crack. If you do that maybe I'll start paying attention again but it's way easier to get a clear read on posts when they are written in a clear style.
Despite my lack of clarity, there is no good reason for a town to skip over any post.
Aaaaaand, that's where, gentlemen and gentlemen, I shall leave off from this journey for now.
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I would very much like to see how others see the points I've brought up. Am I right? Am I wrong? Am I paranoid? Am I insane? Are these concerns real? Is anything real? Some voices say things are real, others don't!
But, there is one resounding consensus right now, for now, that now being, that my vote ramains fixed on Dan. This post offers a case in favor of voting Dan. Pick it apart, analyze it, look for errors/inconsistencies, and/or look for things I forgot to add, those being overarching playstyles, meta I may have forgotten to mention, or any such other helpful thing along those lines.
The voices loooooooove a good debate................
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