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Reply #500 - 08/24/17 at 08:53:21

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:35:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:37:03:

Seems it can only be either Dan or Orange lynch to prevent me from getting lynched.

This isn't the right attitude to have at all. I know you want to stay alive, but townies being afraid to die is a lot less helpful than actively scumhunting. Don't search for a way to stay alive, search for a way to kill scum (and as a bonus, you get to stay alive if you manage to do so!).

I've read this several times before i think... believe me I'm trying, but I can't really think of what to do with everything to take into account ("scumhunt" doesn't say much tbh). Also, I didn't say I was afraid to die. I can accept dying D1, especially if it gives town lots of info, but I'd still prefer someone I wasn't sure is town to die for me.
It's not like i'm defending myself the whole time.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #501 - 08/24/17 at 08:54:08

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:28:42:

Leone wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:23:26:

BRAY SAID

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Also for those of you that have lots of experience with each other are there players in this group that are good Mafia players but not good Town players? If so we should probably consider voting those guys out.

why the fuck would u wanna waste mislynches on shitty town?!???!?!???? Huh

Damn, you

'd me on this point - what do you think of my post on him, especially as it pertains to your sheeping argument?

voting off good logic from others is one thing but then posting very little and contributing no novel content of your own is another, ofc then the line could get blurred, you might be onto something you might not, idk!! Cheesy

just keep hounding away good sir xd

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #504 - 08/24/17 at 08:54:44

@PAF

I told you what argument I made..If you just "feel like it has been mentioned before" then prove it. I mean I can run around and say "I feel like PAF has made a comment where he slipped Maf, but I'm too lazy to find it". That's not how Town plays the game, that's how Maf tries to play the game. Maybe I will have to rethink my opinion of you..

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Why would I explain the reason of the pairings when Orange hasn't answered yet? That would be stupid

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #506 - 08/24/17 at 08:58:18

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:53:21:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:35:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:37:03:

Seems it can only be either Dan or Orange lynch to prevent me from getting lynched.

This isn't the right attitude to have at all. I know you want to stay alive, but townies being afraid to die is a lot less helpful than actively scumhunting. Don't search for a way to stay alive, search for a way to kill scum (and as a bonus, you get to stay alive if you manage to do so!).

I've read this several times before i think... believe me I'm trying, but I can't really think of what to do with everything to take into account ("scumhunt" doesn't say much tbh). Also, I didn't say I was afraid to die. I can accept dying D1, especially if it gives town lots of info, but I'd still prefer someone I wasn't sure is town to die for me.
It's not like i'm defending myself the whole time.

I keep sayin u just gotta dig around and be on the offensive in scumhunting/finding connections/making conspiracies then backing em with evidence.....!

here let's discuss a thing!

your reads good sire!! ples post?

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Leone Titan Offline Curious. 4390 sex records København, soon Gender:	Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1 Reply #507 - 08/24/17 at 09:00:34 timur i asked bcuz that little thought experiment looks way too contrived for its own good there are a billion other more useful things to make orange do
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #510 - 08/24/17 at 09:04:15

Leone wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:22:27:

TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 07:44:39:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 07:33:27:

I'm here and should be here at EoD as well.

I don't particularly like Brian's entrance into the game either - mostly sheeping opinions and jumping on the current largest wagon. Understating the importance of D1 (I agree with you TvK when you say it's just as important as every other day, even though it's the hardest to catch scum...see below as well).

I know this is dangerous meta-territory...but I just looked back over every game played on this forum in 2016/17 and found a disturbing trend - the two leading wagons on D1 have been t/t every single time. Just food for thought as PAF/Dan have been the primary wagons so far this game - what do the rest of you think, are we going astray again or are we finally on the right track? Like I said, this is definitely a risky thought process (not just figuring out 1 person's meta...but our collective meta as a forum), however now that I've seen it I think it's worth bringing to folks' attention.

The difference between this game and other games is that the wagons never really took off. In other games, we already had two leading wagons halfway through the day and it was hard to switch away from them. Any of the wagons now need lots of pushing and shoving before people choose between any of them. And even Orange the low-hanging fruit wagon isn't going anywhere at this point. And we once almost got scum on D1 in Brett's game. That also took a lot of work by Shock and I to finally sway people to come over. Unfortunately we couldn't lynch him that day.

so ppl being forced into a dichotomy halfway through the day is a good thing?????? thats what your tone says sir!!

also "orange aint going anywhere at this point" THEN MAKE IT CONVINCING Cheesy

also if you think you got scum this game where's the hard work to sway us over?!?!!? Shocked

I don't I'm explaining myself properly if that's what you take away from my post. I think it's a good thing that we didn't have early big wagons. I don't think it's a good thing that we still don't have any big wagons at this point in the day. The fact that people are not jumping on the Orange wagon is interesting because you can easily justify jumping on him without being suspicious. In any other game, the biggest wagons were on the most inexperienced players. It very much makes me believe that one or more of the leading wagons at this point (PAF, Orange, Dan) is/are scum. And I am working hard to get people to vote for scum, but you call my methods for trying to do so scummy.

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Reply #511 - 08/24/17 at 09:06:00

Zwiebel wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:03:10:

Leone wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:00:34:

timur i asked bcuz that little thought experiment looks way too contrived for its own good

there are a billion other more useful things to make orange do

he literally just needs to order some people. How is that more contrived than making a list?

cuz psychological implications to doing this, you could be driving a narrative of making him suspicious of someone, or watering down suspicion of fellow scum by making him think about why 4 ppl are the most scummy of any 3; also there are similar psychological implications from the initial ordering you gave, even if as you said that was random

just rubs me the wrong way is all, even if yer not tryna do this (not that youd admit to it ofc)

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Reply #512 - 08/24/17 at 09:07:50

Leone wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:06:00:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:03:10:

Leone wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:00:34:

timur i asked bcuz that little thought experiment looks way too contrived for its own good

there are a billion other more useful things to make orange do

he literally just needs to order some people. How is that more contrived than making a list?

cuz psychological implications to doing this, you could be driving a narrative of making him suspicious of someone, or watering down suspicion of fellow scum by making him think about why 4 ppl are the most scummy of any 3; also there are similar psychological implications from the initial ordering you gave, even if as you said that was random

just rubs me the wrong way is all, even if yer not tryna do this (not that youd admit to it ofc)

Maybe you just think about it from the wrong angle. It doesn't matter, I still want him to answer me.

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You should all listen to Timur. He's an onion.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #513 - 08/24/17 at 09:08:49

B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:

Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

I gotta say I completely disagree here. There is so much information already. Why would you want to not use that and do something like this? Does this also mean that you are totaally not convinced of your vote on PAF? If so, why are you voting him? You haven't really explained too much about him.

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Reply #514 - 08/24/17 at 09:10:16

B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:

Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

To add to my previous post: why would we even bother to play day 1 then? We could always just policy lynch the least experienced player and get on to day 2. There are a lot of reasons why we don't do that. I can't imagine the chance of mafia winning if we did this every game.

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #515 - 08/24/17 at 09:10:35

TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:08:49:

B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:

Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

I gotta say I completely disagree here. There is so much information already. Why would you want to not use that and do something like this? Does this also mean that you are totaally not convinced of your vote on PAF? If so, why are you voting him? You haven't really explained too much about him.

also wanna add, good sir, that you're IMPLYING good maf = shitty town ?????? Shocked

not sure what to make of that

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Reply #516 - 08/24/17 at 09:11:23

TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:04:15:

In any other game, the biggest wagons were on the most inexperienced players. It very much makes me believe that one or more of the leading wagons at this point (PAF, Orange, Dan) is/are scum.

This is a good point. Since you also mention that D1 wagons tend to form on inexperienced players, which of these three do you think is/are most likely scum?

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Reply #519 - 08/24/17 at 09:12:32

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:49:09:

Timur:
Idk seemed like all your arguments had already been mentioned by Leone or Zoran... how about you point out anything you've elaborated on.
Your vote on Orange..... ah fine, the guy does need pressure. If Dan looks better later on or flips town my view on you will get worse and I may come back to rethink, but I can accept this.

Dan looked better bc I felt like scum would have no reason to get easy on me, but he may have been pocketing me.

You constantly seem to be second-guessing your scumread on Dan. Is there nobody else you feel like is even a little bit more scummy at this point? Or do you think your vote staying on Dan is the best thing for now? If so, shouldn't you be convincing people to join you on that wagon?

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Reply #521 - 08/24/17 at 09:19:27

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:11:23:

TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:04:15:

In any other game, the biggest wagons were on the most inexperienced players. It very much makes me believe that one or more of the leading wagons at this point (PAF, Orange, Dan) is/are scum.

This is a good point. Since you also mention that D1 wagons tend to form on inexperienced players, which of these three do you think is/are most likely scum?

PAF is still my main scumread. I toyed with the idea that Orange jumping on Dan after PAF's wagon started to get going was an inexperienced scumbuddy trying to give the counterwagon some steam. It's a big reach that two of the three main wagons being on scum, but I can see the slight possibility. It's also very dangerous for town because it can divide us and it gives scum an easier counterwagon.

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Reply #522 - 08/24/17 at 09:20:07

@TvK #513 and #514:
TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:08:49:

B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:

Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

I gotta say I completely disagree here. There is so much information already. Why would you want to not use that and do something like this? Does this also mean that you are totaally not convinced of your vote on PAF? If so, why are you voting him? You haven't really explained too much about him.

TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:10:16:

B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:

Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

To add to my previous post: why would we even bother to play day 1 then? We could always just policy lynch the least experienced player and get on to day 2. There are a lot of reasons why we don't do that. I can't imagine the chance of mafia winning if we did this every game.

me #487 and #497:
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B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:

Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

WHAT THE FUCK?
Shock wrote on 08/13/17 at 19:06:23:

Town still starts with a strong majority is the only thing I will guarantee.

Playing the math means killing TOWNIES?!?!

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no control wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:12:04:

I see you put your vote on Orange, do you have anyone else in mind as a counter wagon?

I think my last few posts have been indicative of this, that I think Brian is a worthwhile wagon. The only things he's contributed so far have either been others' opinions or in favor of town-kills.

In fact, after his most recent post, I don't see any choice but to

[vote]B.Ray[/vote]

Brian you need to explain your anti-town posts. We should *not* be killing at random, even if it seems that way since it's D1. Otherwise why even play D1, in that case just have the mod choose a player at random to kill and let's go straight to N1 mirite??

Not sure if you saw these posts? This is literally anti-town posting from Brian.

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Reply #523 - 08/24/17 at 09:20:42

TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:19:27:

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:11:23:

TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:04:15:

In any other game, the biggest wagons were on the most inexperienced players. It very much makes me believe that one or more of the leading wagons at this point (PAF, Orange, Dan) is/are scum.

This is a good point. Since you also mention that D1 wagons tend to form on inexperienced players, which of these three do you think is/are most likely scum?

PAF is still my main scumread. I toyed with the idea that Orange jumping on Dan after PAF's wagon started to get going was an inexperienced scumbuddy trying to give the counterwagon some steam. It's a big reach that two of the three main wagons being on scum, but I can see the slight possibility. It's also very dangerous for town because it can divide us and it gives scum an easier counterwagon.

Although I must say that I totally do not like B. Ray's blatant jump to the PAF wagon.

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Reply #524 - 08/24/17 at 09:23:54

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:20:07:

@TvK #513 and #514:
TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:08:49:

B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:

Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

I gotta say I completely disagree here. There is so much information already. Why would you want to not use that and do something like this? Does this also mean that you are totaally not convinced of your vote on PAF? If so, why are you voting him? You haven't really explained too much about him.

TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 09:10:16:

B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:

Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

To add to my previous post: why would we even bother to play day 1 then? We could always just policy lynch the least experienced player and get on to day 2. There are a lot of reasons why we don't do that. I can't imagine the chance of mafia winning if we did this every game.

me #487 and #497:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:44:43:

B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:

Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

WHAT THE FUCK?
Shock wrote on 08/13/17 at 19:06:23:

Town still starts with a strong majority is the only thing I will guarantee.

Playing the math means killing TOWNIES?!?!

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:51:57:

no control wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:12:04:

I see you put your vote on Orange, do you have anyone else in mind as a counter wagon?

I think my last few posts have been indicative of this, that I think Brian is a worthwhile wagon. The only things he's contributed so far have either been others' opinions or in favor of town-kills.

In fact, after his most recent post, I don't see any choice but to

[vote]B.Ray[/vote]

Brian you need to explain your anti-town posts. We should *not* be killing at random, even if it seems that way since it's D1. Otherwise why even play D1, in that case just have the mod choose a player at random to kill and let's go straight to N1 mirite??

Not sure if you saw these posts? This is literally anti-town posting from Brian.

Ah sorry, no I was just responding to the replies in order. I think we can say that at least B. Ray and PAF are not mafia together. It would be a horrible time for an unnecessary bus. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to like the idea of B. Ray being mafia. I would love to hear PAF's thoughts on B. Ray. If I haven't missed that already in the last hour of constant posting.

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