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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #475 - 08/24/17 at 08:35:09  
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:15:18:
Agh, I'm sorry guys, I'm annoyed at myself for not knowing what to do to help town even thought there's a decent chance I'm going to be lynched today. Undecided


TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 07:40:34:
Leone wrote on 08/24/17 at 07:32:07:
ALSO tvk/timer fine sirs, I cant help but feel like you're bringing too much fire to ppl who wanna vote the same way as someone else is, it's easy to divide ppl up among a bunch of little wagons (LIKE RIGHT NOW) to keep heat off a scumbuddy if you heap disdain on ppl who wanna vote a person for restating valid yet redundant points someone else brought up (im prolly biased tho so take this with a grain of salt, just my perspective)

noob town is more likely by the numbers too btw so keep that in mind for these idiots flip-flopping all over the place - tell me when orange played well for instance????? (sorry not-purple <3 )

also unrelated but tyg is looking worse every hour he doesnt post


I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here. My first priority is for everyone to put a vote down right now.


I think he means that some people focus too much of seeing those who take advantage of others arguments and vote for the same people and thus interfere with the growth of wagons (Leone hints this is because one the wagons is scum and so are those experienced players).

Interesting point. I can see people getting slight maf reads because of "sheeping" while they actually couldn't think of anything else and agree with previous arguments, following through the logic. I've done this, so has Timur. On his case I felt suspicious since he's experienced, also this was his strat as scum... still, like I said SLIGHT maf lean. Having to make up your own ideas is far from easy, people needn't be so picky. What does everyone think about this?


Can you tell me where exactly I was sheeping? Yeah the wagon of Dan has existed before I voted him, however I do not think that anyone has made the connection of him talking about jester all game long and him being Maf. Zoran has pointed out before me that Dan has literally been spamming about that fact, but actually said he's 50/50 on Dan at that point, I expanded on his argument with more deductions(may they be right or wrong). If I'm wrong about that and that point has been made before, go ahead and correct me.

On Orange, you could probably make a case that I'm jumping a wagon there, but I did it to make him feel pressured, which I already explained.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #476 - 08/24/17 at 08:35:53  
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At some point, everyone should be able to contribute a unique thought to the game - whether it's something picked out of a post, starting a new line of discussion out of the blue, etc. I know Brian came late in the day, but I haven't seen anything besides sheeping yet, and I don't like it...


fair and i dont like it either kind sir!!! BUT we've allllllll seen noob town do only this before, my contention is its NOT NECESSARILY indicative of alignment despite how bad it looks
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #477 - 08/24/17 at 08:36:21  
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 06:30:26:
I'm saying that b/c of your super early vote I have a slight town lead on you. Also according to others your town game is strong so I would rather not get rid of you yet because you provide value. With Orange's posts I agree with the consensus that they seem like weird logic to me and if he is  in fact an inexperienced player i think reading him will be tougher than the average player and I'd liIke to play the wait and see game with him. If pressed I'd lean toward Mafia for Orange.



Super early votes means slight town lean?  Don't follow.  Page 1 is always full of random votes that mean nothing.  
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Reply #478 - 08/24/17 at 08:36:23  
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The great DIAMOND would agree that if 25% of the players are scum (no idea if that's the case in this game, but I'm approximating the others that I just went through), then once every 4 games we should get scum lynched D1 mirite??


Nope!!!  Cheesy probabilities of getting the wagon profile you describe here with such a low sample size (a few games really???), barring ALL external factors (manipulation, bad logic, shite players etc) conform to a t-curve of probabilities!!!! we could easily go 3 or 5 or 2 or 6 games before getting this kind of profile under your idealized parameters, fine sir!!!!!1111!11!!!!  Grin

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #479 - 08/24/17 at 08:36:42  
FUCK U FORUM STOP CENSORING MY POSTS FUCKING FAGGOT-ASS YABB WEIRD GLITCHY BALLOCKS
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #480 - 08/24/17 at 08:37:03  
I feel like people didn't pay attention to this:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:05:04:
Interesting that Dan argues that I am town, I point out the small possibilty that he's pocketing me and then he starts pointing things from old posts that makes his view on me worse...


Dan has looked better but I still there's something dodgy about him...
Leone, I'm really interested in your rant about him. Seems it can only be either Dan or Orange lynch to prevent me from getting lynched.
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Reply #481 - 08/24/17 at 08:38:44  
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 06:59:53:
Yes MKDS, that is enough for me to have a SLIGHT town read on TvK. Nothing is for sure and I'm not saying he is off my radar for the rest of the game.  As for forming my own opinions I assure you I do not give into peer pressure but if I've never played with someone and multiple people say they are a good town person and it doesn't get rebuttled I have to assume it's true. This is enough for me to keep him in the game to provide town value  until I learn more information and have a voting history on people. And there's no fucking way Day 1 is the most important day. I'd love to hear your reasoning on that?
More importantly  I'm locking in:

[vote]PAF[/vote]


Please put your votes on separate lines and bold them, as the rules request... -Shock

Why are you already locking him, in your reads post you barely said anything about PAF. If you have all these detailed notes you should share them with us, at the very least about PAF
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #482 - 08/24/17 at 08:39:17  
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Agh, I'm sorry guys, I'm annoyed at myself for not knowing what to do to help town even thought there's a decent chance I'm going to be lynched today. Undecided


then just lookat each post ppl make and fucking shred em into the ribbons of illogical nonsense the are if they are that!!1!1 Cheesy

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Having to make up your own ideas is far from easy, people needn't be so picky.


nah like jonnyboi said its ez to contribute theres plenty of shit to comment on/respond to  Smiley
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #483 - 08/24/17 at 08:40:00  
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:37:03:
I feel like people didn't pay attention to this:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:05:04:
Interesting that Dan argues that I am town, I point out the small possibilty that he's pocketing me and then he starts pointing things from old posts that makes his view on me worse...


Dan has looked better but I still there's something dodgy about him...
Leone, I'm really interested in your rant about him. Seems it can only be either Dan or Orange lynch to prevent me from getting lynched.


Why does Dan look better now? Yeah ok he stopped talking about jesters, I'll give you that, but other than that?
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #484 - 08/24/17 at 08:42:15  
Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #485 - 08/24/17 at 08:42:35  
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:37:03:
Seems it can only be either Dan or Orange lynch to prevent me from getting lynched.

This isn't the right attitude to have at all. I know you want to stay alive, but townies being afraid to die is a lot less helpful than actively scumhunting. Don't search for a way to stay alive, search for a way to kill scum (and as a bonus, you get to stay alive if you manage to do so!).
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #486 - 08/24/17 at 08:43:45  
DansGame wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:21:32:
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 07:51:05:
Also for those of you that have lots of experience with each other are there players in this group that are good Mafia players but not good Town players? If so we should probably consider voting those guys out.


Sportsguy is probably the only person on here who I would say fits that bill.


Thanks for the slight complement i guess?  
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Reply #487 - 08/24/17 at 08:44:43  
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:42:15:
Because if We lynch someone that is a shitty town we aren't missing out on him helping the town people much on later days. If he happens to be Mafia then we got rid of a really good Mafia player. It's a win/win for town. Although if he has a neutral role it could be bad but playing the math he probably doesn't have a neutral role right?

WHAT THE FUCK?
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Town still starts with a strong majority is the only thing I will guarantee.

Playing the math means killing TOWNIES?!?!
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Reply #488 - 08/24/17 at 08:45:55  
SIR TIMER SAID THINGS AT ZORANSKIY

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I was just stating that I think Dan/Leone m/m is impossible, while m/t or m/3rd party is possible. That doesn't mean I think Leone being Town is more likely, just that it shouldn't be ruled out. I still believe that he is actually the jester and that Dan is Maf, my opinion of that has not changed. I merely stated possibilities.


IF DAN IS MAF TO U (me too btw <3 ) THEN WHERES THE VOTE SIR?!?!?! ORANGE MORE MAFISH TO U NOW???!?!?!??!!

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I think the whole discussion revolving around Leone being jester was a derailing, but that doesn't mean we can't take that and try to find scum with that help. That's what I have been trying to do, which I would say is not derailing? I just mean that debating if Leone is jester or not has been going on for far too long and should not continue to be the main point of discussion, but rather what the implications of that discussions are for finding maf.


ima plagarise this and use it against ppl if they accuse me of hounding on the rolehunt thing cuz its said really well and i agree 100% and fuck u if u think im not allowed to agree with a good argument when i see one

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Orange was right there, so I tried to put him under pressure and see what his reaction would be. Needless to say it didn't really work...other than the fact that he basically ignored me and went offline. For now, I will stay on him just for the sake of him getting to speak up more. If he doesn't, I'm more than willing to lynch him.


wait so do u think he's maf tho??? you should NEVER wanna lynch town even if they're stupid/quiet/useless, cuz thats 1 less mislynch u have against scum!!!  Sad

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The pairings itself are nor random, the order is random tho.


k so why those PARTICULAR pairings then???

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Reply #489 - 08/24/17 at 08:46:35  
Zwiebel wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:18:49:
Leone wrote on 08/24/17 at 07:42:49:
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Can you arrange the players on my following brackets in order from scummiest(left) to most townish(right)? Reasoning would be welcome, but I can understand if you don't have reasoning for all of them, gut feeling is allright too.


1. [Dan, TYG, Leone]

2. [TvK, Zwiebel, John]

3. [Brian, Third, Sportsguy]

4. [Dan, PAF, Zoran]


teh fuck is this??? little mind games like these trigger my scum radar cuz the most scummy of any 3 that someone chooses might get that someone to be unnecessarily suspicious of someone else, or could divide attention between more scummy person & less scummy person... idk it just looks weird, BUT, cuz i think my reads here might be useful to town, ill oblige!!!!!111!

1 - same order you got for obvious-to-me reasons, TYG looks weird cuz so quiet and no vote but nowhere near as bad as Dan (wall incoming soon [def well before eod] justifying this)

2 - no particular order these 3 are all null to me, john's posts are townread to me but he hasn't voted and that looks bad

3 - [Sportsguy, Brian = Third]

sportsguy looks bad to me cuz he's contributed next-to-nothing of substance and his vote exists for no reason LOL

third/brian null for different reasons, former cuz good posts but iffy votes, latter cuz so little content and no clue what his playstyle is

4 - same order you got, zoran is null or slight town to me, paf looks bad but yet again Im hesitant to call his indecisiveness maf, call it gut/meta instinct, i didnt read flo's game yet, i might wanna do that...


Uuuuh thanks Leone but I only wanted Orange to do the ordering. Wasn't supposed to be for everyone


shoulda singled him out then, i thought you wanted erryone to do the thing  Grin Grin
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Reply #490 - 08/24/17 at 08:47:52  
Hey, sorry I got home late and fell asleep. I'm catching up now.
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Reply #491 - 08/24/17 at 08:47:54  
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I actually stopped reading his posts because they were so annoying to decipher and because I'm convinced he's not mafia anyway


k well thats not helpful at all good sir  Smiley

if u think im not maf then wouldnt my views be the best/cleanest in your book??????
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Reply #492 - 08/24/17 at 08:49:09  
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Idk seemed like all your arguments had already been mentioned by Leone or Zoran... how about you point out anything you've elaborated on.
Your vote on Orange..... ah fine, the guy does need pressure. If Dan looks better later on or flips town my view on you will get worse and I may come back to rethink, but I can accept this.

Dan looked better bc I felt like scum would have no reason to get easy on me, but he may have been pocketing me.
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Reply #493 - 08/24/17 at 08:49:19  
Zoran, I just thought that all of a sudden he started posing a lot and made subtle comments that people that post a lot are town and that Dan is not the new leader in posts. I haven't checked who is but if it's MKDS this seems sketchy to me. Also the entire line of thinking  someone is town/maf based on speech activity is not ideal  to me. I know there's not a lot to go off D1 but Much better to go off of weird comments/odd behavior(things that don't add up) and voting history.
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Reply #494 - 08/24/17 at 08:49:40  
sporty said a thing!!

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Reply #495 - 08/24/17 at 08:50:51  
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:31:02:
Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:25:50:
I have some opinions on players right now.  They aren't very confident because of the limited information.

Care to share them anyway?


Upto this quote my leans are:

Heavy town:  Dan, Leone
Slightly town: tvk, john
either way: no control, zwiebel
slightly mafia: PAF, tyg, thiradell
Dont know where to put b. ray and orange
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I actually stopped reading his posts because they were so annoying to decipher and because I'm convinced he's not mafia anyway


k well thats not helpful at all good sir  Smiley

if u think im not maf then wouldnt my views be the best/cleanest in your book??????


They would be if you stopped writing your posts like you were a 7 year old on crack. If you do that maybe I'll start paying attention again but it's way easier to get a clear read on posts when they are written in a clear style.
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Reply #497 - 08/24/17 at 08:51:57  
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I see you put your vote on Orange, do you have anyone else in mind as a counter wagon?

I think my last few posts have been indicative of this, that I think Brian is a worthwhile wagon. The only things he's contributed so far have either been others' opinions or in favor of town-kills.

In fact, after his most recent post, I don't see any choice but to

[vote]B.Ray[/vote]

Brian you need to explain your anti-town posts. We should *not* be killing at random, even if it seems that way since it's D1. Otherwise why even play D1, in that case just have the mod choose a player at random to kill and let's go straight to N1 mirite??
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Reply #498 - 08/24/17 at 08:52:30  
TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 06:44:40:
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 06:30:26:
I'm saying that b/c of your super early vote I have a slight town lead on you. Also according to others your town game is strong so I would rather not get rid of you yet because you provide value. With Orange's posts I agree with the consensus that they seem like weird logic to me and if he is  in fact an inexperienced player i think reading him will be tougher than the average player and I'd liIke to play the wait and see game with him. If pressed I'd lean toward Mafia for Orange.


In my opinion it is easier to read someone who is inexperienced. If he is mafia, it will be a lot easier to spot when he tries to fake being useful to town. And if you had to put your vote down right now, would you vote PAF or Orange? And if you make that decision, I would like to urge you to put that vote down.


whoa whoa whoaaaaaaa there friend sir buddy pal chum good kind benevolent sexy sire sir!!!11 Why u present "who ya gonna vote for" as a dichotomy between PAF and Orange???!?!?!//1. !!!!  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

also this piqued my scumdar [/quote]

B. Ray is clearly inexperienced with playing forum mafia, so I'm trying to help him. He had said that PAF and Orange were his two scumreads. Why would I ask him if that meant he would vote Thiradell for example? His scumreads are similar to mine, so of course I am going to ask him to vote for any of them. Is it my fault that nobody else is taking the time to talk to him?

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And to add to my previous post: how are you still neutral about Orange? He has made a lot of posts that should at least enable you to have some kind of opinion on him. Do you think his strange logic and him quickly changing votes is due to his inexperience as a town member? Or do you think he is a very cautious mafia member who is quick to change any opinions based on how other people react to his posts? Look for example at how he voted Dan, and then unvoted again after people started questioning his vote.


my gut tells me you'ere tryna push a narrative here fine sir!!!11


Obviously B. Ray will give his reads of people that he knows and has played with before. However, Orange had just come in and made his string of dubious votes and posts. I was very curious to see what B. Ray's opinion on someone posting in that way would be. I was dsappointed that B. Ray did not include Orange in his readslist, so I immediatly reacted to that.
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I see you put your vote on Orange, do you have anyone else in mind as a counter wagon?

I think my last few posts have been indicative of this, that I think Brian is a worthwhile wagon. The only things he's contributed so far have either been others' opinions or in favor of town-kills.

In fact, after his most recent post, I don't see any choice but to

[vote]B.Ray[/vote]

Brian you need to explain your anti-town posts. We should *not* be killing at random, even if it seems that way since it's D1. Otherwise why even play D1, in that case just have the mod choose a player at random to kill and let's go straight to N1 mirite??

It's no longer his most recent post, but I am referring to #484 here.
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