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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #425 - 08/24/17 at 06:18:02
 
Come on guys, we are well past three quarters into the day and no wagon has even reached half the votes necessary to get someone lynched. This will give us so little to work with in the next days. Not voting is only advantageous for the mafia.
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Reply #426 - 08/24/17 at 06:20:17
 
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ILL BE THERE FOR EOD!!!!!!

just gimme a couple more hrs to sleep i woke only woke up to get some water justnnow and decided to skim the thread fior anything super-duper-urgent and this looked important

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Reply #427 - 08/24/17 at 06:20:41
 
FUCKINGUS POSTINGUS APPEARINGUS
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Reply #428 - 08/24/17 at 06:23:35
 
also siedenote

how the fuck did miss john being on the fence like the other 3 fags i called out

USE YOUR VOTE SIR WHATS TAKINYE SO DAMN LONG EVEN IF ITS JUST TO APPLY PRESSURE?!?!?!??!
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Reply #429 - 08/24/17 at 06:30:26
 
I'm saying that b/c of your super early vote I have a slight town lead on you. Also according to others your town game is strong so I would rather not get rid of you yet because you provide value. With Orange's posts I agree with the consensus that they seem like weird logic to me and if he is  in fact an inexperienced player i think reading him will be tougher than the average player and I'd liIke to play the wait and see game with him. If pressed I'd lean toward Mafia for Orange.
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Reply #430 - 08/24/17 at 06:38:18
 
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 06:30:26:
I'm saying that b/c of your super early vote I have a slight town lead on you.


you sure couldnt also BE smart maf playing smart with smart votes??? ???!1  Shocked Shocked Shocked

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Also according to others your town game is strong so I would rather not get rid of you yet because you provide value.


I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THINK, yeeeeesh, gimme your own damn reasons  for ewanting to keep him around fine sir!!!!??!!! also what if he's active cuz he's leading ppl on, hmmmmmmm//????

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With Orange's posts I agree with the consensus


good god who let Orange's alt into the game???!?!

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that they seem like weird logic to me and if he is  in fact an inexperienced player i think reading him will be tougher than the average player and I'd liIke to play the wait and see game with him. If pressed I'd lean toward Mafia for Orange.


soooooo YOU're undecided about orange BUT you're ADMITTING you'll cave to peer pressure on him??!???????

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WHAT???!!?
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Reply #431 - 08/24/17 at 06:39:18
 
also yeah ill get those extra sleep hrs when i feel tired again rn i dont for w/e reason
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Reply #432 - 08/24/17 at 06:40:55
 
Thiradell wrote on 08/23/17 at 19:38:00:
sportsguy: Anything to add besides "PAF could maybe be mafia idk" in terms of scumreads? for now I'll

[vote]PAF[/vote]

but sportsguy basically hasn't said anything


any special reason to vote paf over, say, dan/orange/etc??  Smiley

also im reading/responding as i go again

so if i get redundant thats why

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Reply #433 - 08/24/17 at 06:44:40
 
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 06:30:26:
I'm saying that b/c of your super early vote I have a slight town lead on you. Also according to others your town game is strong so I would rather not get rid of you yet because you provide value. With Orange's posts I agree with the consensus that they seem like weird logic to me and if he is  in fact an inexperienced player i think reading him will be tougher than the average player and I'd liIke to play the wait and see game with him. If pressed I'd lean toward Mafia for Orange.


In my opinion it is easier to read someone who is inexperienced. If he is mafia, it will be a lot easier to spot when he tries to fake being useful to town. And if you had to put your vote down right now, would you vote PAF or Orange? And if you make that decision, I would like to urge you to put that vote down.
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Reply #434 - 08/24/17 at 06:59:53
 
Yes MKDS, that is enough for me to have a SLIGHT town read on TvK. Nothing is for sure and I'm not saying he is off my radar for the rest of the game.  As for forming my own opinions I assure you I do not give into peer pressure but if I've never played with someone and multiple people say they are a good town person and it doesn't get rebuttled I have to assume it's true. This is enough for me to keep him in the game to provide town value  until I learn more information and have a voting history on people. And there's no fucking way Day 1 is the most important day. I'd love to hear your reasoning on that?
More importantly  I'm locking in:

[vote]PAF[/vote]


Please put your votes on separate lines and bold them, as the rules request... -Shock
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Reply #435 - 08/24/17 at 07:02:38
 
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first off im not "being one-sided" with you=maf thing, you're presentign all "you=townie" arguments FOR me im just poking holes in em  Smiley

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I don't know how much experience you have in mafia but it is always really dangerous for mafia to be actively trying to confirm people who are town or neutral because if too many people get confirmed as not mafia then mafia will never reach a number where there is an equal or greater amount of mafia remaining.


a valid point, which is why you'd wanna tunnel on one fall guy at a time instead of a bunch of em, so while you manipulate town to a mislynch you also pick out an obvious-to-townies target for your night kill, which ties up doc with said "Obvious Target™" (if we even have a doc LLLOOLOOL)!!!  works even better for you if your real night target is another foaming-at-the-mouth hyper-active psychopath hot on a trail ov evidence to your scumbuddies@@!!!
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Considering mafia can usually only kill one person a night, and that any time a person is confirmed as not mafia they have to waste their kill on them at some point, if a rate of one or slightly more than one person per day is confirmed as not mafia then it doesn't matter how towny a mafia member might look because of this kind of a play on D1, at some point they will be one of the only remaining people who is not confirmed to be not mafia and will get lynched at some point before mafia are able to win. Don't also forget about the usual presence of cops and doctors in the game which can push the game along the path I suggested.


Well sure you don't wanna go down that route every day, just on days there's someone on your kill-radar and you wanna keep doc busy!!!111

idk this logic might not fly

HOWEVER, regardless of all this my vote remains, and im gonna post a giant wall supporting said vote

I'll give a response to yer reads and responses too btw (post no. for reads?), also mind re-posting if you have any updates to said reads??? the game has progressed quite far since then!!!!1

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And btw just because you think TvK acts a certain way as mafia doesn't mean that's how everyone plays, he and I are not the same person by any stretch.


das why i stressed when i said "x thing yer doing = thing i GENERASLLY/CONSISTENTLY see maf do"

tvk is just a quick & ez example
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #436 - 08/24/17 at 07:02:39
 
[vote]PAF[/vote]

(Hope this bolded it, on my phone so can't tell)
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Reply #437 - 08/24/17 at 07:06:02
 
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 06:59:53:
And there's no fucking way Day 1 is the most important day. I'd love to hear your reasoning on that?
More importantly  I'm locking in: [vote]PAF[/vote]


I never said Day 1 is the most important day. It is however just as important as any other day. As I said before, a lot of the information gathered in this day is incredibly important in the next days. I agree, it is the hardest day to actually lynch scum. But we have 48 hours in total and so far already over 400 posts. It's not like we're taking a guess. And the only faction benefitting from a quiet and lackluster Day 1 is the mafia.
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Reply #438 - 08/24/17 at 07:07:51
 
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Of the 3 people who have not used their vote yet I think TYG looks the worst for it since he did go through and read everything at the time and post his observations about it. I think it says the least about Brian who we really don't know what he thinks yet. My vote will remain on Orange for now, he's been here a few times and not said or done anything good yet.


k also thoughts on john? any changes to your thoughts on orange since i missed jon in my lineup? not sayin im expecting any, orange does look super bad rn (will ramble on about thaat soon)
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Reply #439 - 08/24/17 at 07:13:17
 
That's 4 votes on PAF, 2 on Orange, 2 on Dan and 1 on Thiradell with 3 people not voting. Orange, you are one of these people not voting. Where are you at?
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Reply #440 - 08/24/17 at 07:18:33
 
hi orange sirr

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Dan insisting on something is very suspicious. When scum hunting or searching through posts you should never make reads with absolute certainty. It's better to gather as many clues/hints as possible and work from there. If you have a strong maf/town lean towards somebody, that's fair, but absolutely insisting on it and defending your positions is awfully scummy, regardless of whether they're read as being town or maf. Calling out somebody as a Town with absolute certainty could easily mean that player is a mafia with a significant night role - somebody who is vital to the team. So it would make sense for you to defend them with absolute certainty, as they're playing a vital role for the mafia who they cannot afford to lose.

As for Dan being the top poster, (not anymore currently), I'd say this may be a case of reverse psychology. Due to the top posters almost always being town as you say, it would seem logical to post as much as you can so people are tricked into believing you are town in that sense.

[vote]DansGame[vote/]


whoa whoa wh000000000 BOIIIIIIIIII this was a fast scumread~~`!!11!!

what... what a beautiful echo... it sounds JUST like my reaosning!!!! :')

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The reasoning behind your vote makes absolutely no sense. Surely you would have known to have asked for other player's reasons behind voting for Dan before making a decision as to whether my stance on him made sense or was just a bandwagon.


on the fence here cuz imo it is a good set of reasons to vote Dan BUT! there's nothing new in your reasoning, it to me perhaps looks copy/pasted from one of MY text walls!!!??!!1  Shocked Shocked Shocked

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For now, I'm not really sure who to decide on


wait

wat???!?!?

IF SOMEONE LOOKS SCUMMY TO YOU CUZ SOMEONE ELSE MADE GOOD POINTS SHOULDN'T YOU BE ABLE TO DEFEND YOUR VOTE?!?!??!??!?!!!1

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Since then I have had a very strong Town read towards him. (Dan)


ok but what if your opening just made you an easy target for maf to latch onto...?..... that scenario shoots down your read imo (NOT saying it's evidence dan=maf, there's plenty other evidence for this)
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #441 - 08/24/17 at 07:20:26
 
dat wagon of paf tho...

goddammit this wall explaining why dan=maf is taking longer than i thought, WHYD YOU HAFTA POST >90 TIMES DAN SIR??  Sad
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Reply #442 - 08/24/17 at 07:26:42
 
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In the previous game, he was the first one to point out that my game was very similar to the last game in which I was mafia (he was correct, I was mafia). And in that game he was able to tunnel on that idea as he never let it go. And he did not have any night actions that could confirm his suspicion.


could just be the case that this game is new territory??? that last-game thing looks like it'd be something solid for him to latch onto, mebbe there's just not alot for him to go on for scum rn outside Dan(lookat the votes rn, clearly nobody is standing out rn as a one-size-fits-all lynch candidate, imo he's not the only one suffering from indecisiveness)

(NOT defending him, just tryna poke holes where I can, flawed perspectives dont help us find scum)
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Reply #443 - 08/24/17 at 07:32:07
 
ALSO tvk/timer fine sirs, I cant help but feel like you're bringing too much fire to ppl who wanna vote the same way as someone else is, it's easy to divide ppl up among a bunch of little wagons (LIKE RIGHT NOW) to keep heat off a scumbuddy if you heap disdain on ppl who wanna vote a person for restating valid yet redundant points someone else brought up (im prolly biased tho so take this with a grain of salt, just my perspective)

noob town is more likely by the numbers too btw so keep that in mind for these idiots flip-flopping all over the place - tell me when orange played well for instance????? (sorry not-purple <3 )

also unrelated but tyg is looking worse every hour he doesnt post
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Reply #444 - 08/24/17 at 07:33:27
 
I'm here and should be here at EoD as well.

I don't particularly like Brian's entrance into the game either - mostly sheeping opinions and jumping on the current largest wagon. Understating the importance of D1 (I agree with you TvK when you say it's just as important as every other day, even though it's the hardest to catch scum...see below as well).

I know this is dangerous meta-territory...but I just looked back over every game played on this forum in 2016/17 and found a disturbing trend - the two leading wagons on D1 have been t/t every single time. Just food for thought as PAF/Dan have been the primary wagons so far this game - what do the rest of you think, are we going astray again or are we finally on the right track? Like I said, this is definitely a risky thought process (not just figuring out 1 person's meta...but our collective meta as a forum), however now that I've seen it I think it's worth bringing to folks' attention.
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Reply #445 - 08/24/17 at 07:36:09
 
Would just like to point out Zoran did some good points about sportsguy. Specifically this

no control wrote on 08/24/17 at 04:13:55:
Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:15:38:
I like Dan's first few post of the game.

Love Dan's last sentence in post 78.  
If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.



Could you clarify this a bit? I assume that you are not being sarcastic here which brings me to conclusion that you like Dan and dislike Leone  at this point?


Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:36:19:
Not through reading on page 6.  

IF Leone was a JESTER would he really be posting this odd and infuriating?  He would to an extent, but i don't think this absurd over the top is that of a JESTER.  

AS of page 6 he is my #1 town lean.  


Suddenly Leone is #1 town lean.


Sounds like an inconsistency in leans. Usually a mafia signal. Slight maf lean.

I thnk Leone pointed out the possibility he's scum with Thiradell, which I disagree since he asked repeatedly who he was... you think that was made up, Leone?
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Reply #446 - 08/24/17 at 07:38:46
 
Leone wrote on 08/24/17 at 07:26:42:
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In the previous game, he was the first one to point out that my game was very similar to the last game in which I was mafia (he was correct, I was mafia). And in that game he was able to tunnel on that idea as he never let it go. And he did not have any night actions that could confirm his suspicion.


could just be the case that this game is new territory??? that last-game thing looks like it'd be something solid for him to latch onto, mebbe there's just not alot for him to go on for scum rn outside Dan(lookat the votes rn, clearly nobody is standing out rn as a one-size-fits-all lynch candidate, imo he's not the only one suffering from indecisiveness)

(NOT defending him, just tryna poke holes where I can, flawed perspectives dont help us find scum)


He has played with a lot of people in this game before. That should at least give him the opportunity to do same kind of meta-analysis like he did last game.
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Reply #447 - 08/24/17 at 07:40:02
 
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Zwiebel wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:05:37:
which is why I think Leone is probably not Town. I actually agree with Dan on the point that he is most likely jester.

However, I think the same as zoran: Dan pointed that out way too much and tried to bring the discussion back to YS every time he could. The thing is: In my eyes that makes him lean on the Maf side for me.  

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So the idea after the 1st post is that Leone is probably not town. Then he does the same thing as PAF, agrees with his top maf read. Also he votes for Dan. To sum it up, Dan is Mafia, Leone is probably not town.

Then comes this post:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:08:06:
Also, Dan/Leone Maf is basically impossible from my speculations. If Dan is Maf, Leone is either Third party or Town


In case Dan is mafia (which is the same thought process as in 1st post), suddenly Leone might be town? Those 2 posts happened inside 3 minutes. Pretty inconsistent imo.


Besides his take on Dan/Leone situation, he posted some thoughts on town and maf leans, but no explanation of any kind.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:05:37:
but so far I kinda got Townish feeling from PAF and Zoran and Mafia from TYG. Can't really pinpoint for now tho, just gut feeling.


Zwiebel wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:30:31:
I like this post from TvK. Trying to get the discussion away from this whole derailing.


This is basically another shoot at Dan. If you felt like this was derailing (Dan/Leone communication), why is your only decent post until this point about Dan and Leone?

Zwiebel wrote on 08/23/17 at 14:37:19:
Normally I would agree that high postcount is most of the times an indicator for Town, however 90% of his posts were "jesterhunting"(or call it whatever u want)if anything so I will not accept this argument for him this game.



More on Dan

Zwiebel wrote on 08/23/17 at 16:31:40:
I think Paf just doesn't know what the fuck to do. Could be Maf but I'd rather say he's just clueless Town.


Paf is town which he also stated in his 1st post so consistent there.

And then, out of nowhere and without providing any reasons:

Zwiebel wrote on 08/24/17 at 02:58:53:
[unvote]
[vote]Orange[/vote]

Jumping on the easy wagon now, aren't you? That's too weak for me.



Why did you switch your vote at this point, has Dan became less scummy or Orange most scummy or was it only to put some heat on Orange?

Zwiebel wrote on 08/24/17 at 04:11:33:
Can you arrange the players on my following brackets in order from scummiest(left) to most townish(right)? Reasoning would be welcome, but I can understand if you don't have reasoning for all of them, gut feeling is allright too.


1. [Dan, TYG, Leone]

2. [TvK, Zwiebel, John]

3. [Brian, Third, Sportsguy]

4. [Dan, PAF, Zoran]


Is this how you would put these people in order or is it just a random example?

In his latest posts pretty much focused on Dan and Orange.

What happened with TYG maf lean? Can you order your scum reads/leans in order from scummiest to towniest?

Any thoughts on players you haven't mentioned at all? (Brian, Sportsguy, Third, John, TvK)
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Reply #448 - 08/24/17 at 07:40:08
 
Zoki, Dan, Third I'm interested if you have any opinions about MKDS's recent posts?
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Reply #449 - 08/24/17 at 07:40:34
 
Leone wrote on 08/24/17 at 07:32:07:
ALSO tvk/timer fine sirs, I cant help but feel like you're bringing too much fire to ppl who wanna vote the same way as someone else is, it's easy to divide ppl up among a bunch of little wagons (LIKE RIGHT NOW) to keep heat off a scumbuddy if you heap disdain on ppl who wanna vote a person for restating valid yet redundant points someone else brought up (im prolly biased tho so take this with a grain of salt, just my perspective)

noob town is more likely by the numbers too btw so keep that in mind for these idiots flip-flopping all over the place - tell me when orange played well for instance????? (sorry not-purple <3 )

also unrelated but tyg is looking worse every hour he doesnt post


I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here. My first priority is for everyone to put a vote down right now.
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