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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #400 - 08/24/17 at 04:04:02
 
In fact, can everyone just post if they will be around for the end of day? And if not, when will you make your final visit to the thread before the day ends? I would REALLY want everyone to use their vote today.
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Reply #401 - 08/24/17 at 04:06:00
 
DansGame wrote on 08/24/17 at 03:46:42:
TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 03:34:06:
Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 21:59:56:
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I will mention after reading Thiradell's post that I feel PAF always seems to look scummy in these games by weirdly second guessing himself


@TVK this would also be my reasoning in a nutshell behind not voting PAF, everything he does could be maf OR town!!!!11  Sad

thoughts on this kind sir????


Thing is I remember PAF playing with a lot of confidence in the last game. When he was town and when he was able to make his own reads. Reads that even went against the general consensus.

Do you remember him being confident on D1 as well or just later days?


In the previous game, he was the first one to point out that my game was very similar to the last game in which I was mafia (he was correct, I was mafia). And in that game he was able to tunnel on that idea as he never let it go. And he did not have any night actions that could confirm his suspicion.
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Reply #402 - 08/24/17 at 04:07:10
 
TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 04:02:57:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 03:47:15:
I think I see a pattern in people's accusations on me, from all the games I've played. Seems they want me to be one-sided. Sorry but that just isn't my style. Most of the times I explicit my read on people and which arguments are stronger, but I still feel like poiting out counter-arguments so I take everything into consideration and allow myself (and everyone else) to change my mind later on.
It gets pretty absurd when people claim that my counter-arguments make my entire reasoning useless. FFS, I still give town ideas and I still know which side to follow, for the current moment at least.
Also, like I said, I did the same in both games in which I was town, and in both I got wagoned for this. Are you willing to do the same mistake?
Also, it worked last game, so give me a chance. Tongue

With this in mind, I think scum would like to go thru this lame logic about my playstyle. My wagon probably isn't 100% town. I can say Thiradell is sort of excused bc he probably didn't read the past games. I don't like how Zoran and TvK ignore that I'm being myself even though they both read both previous games... can't conclude much, but I'll be damned if all 3 are town.

As for Dan.... he actually looks better by trying to get into my perspetive, would it be a good move for him as scum? And he does make a point about his defense, it does remind me of D1 of my first game. I'll keep my vote on him for now since pretty much noone triggers my scum radar.
There may be a chance he's pocketing me, but that's unlikely (Oh look, a counter-argument!! Forget everything he said and just lynch him already!!! Roll Eyes )


The fact is that there are very little certainties in mafia. If you are town, and you want to lynch scum, you have to be able to convince other people. You can't win this game by yourself. How are you supposed to convince other people from your reads if you aren't even able to convince yourself? You sometimes have to take risks, but the pay-off can be a lot better than the risk.

The bolded part is something that strengthens my scumread of you. That's just bad. The entire point of the mafia is to appear as townish as possible throughout the day. It's what I do myself when I am mafia. In my eyes, this sentence just screams "I'm trying my best to look town, but they are still voing me". In fact, at first you agreed with Zoran and I scumreading you.

I also would encourage you to use your vote at this point, we're well into the final quarter of the day.


Derped again here, I looked over your vote.
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Reply #403 - 08/24/17 at 04:10:05
 
Orange Slices wrote on 08/24/17 at 03:58:56:
I don't like how PAF has voted Dan, due to them equally being the most voted player. This may have been to put more pressure on Dan so he could attempt to prove his town allegiance or to simply jump on the bandwagon that would otherwise be on his shoulders.


Dans reason behind voting for me was completely justified at the time it was posted. I had made a really confusing and overly analytical post about TvK's reaction to receiving 3 out of 6 of the votes at that point. Since then I have had a very strong Town read towards him. Would you care to state your reasons for staying with this vote?

For now, I'm not really sure who to decide on

[vote]unvote[vote/]


You're fabricating a lot of reasons to justify your voting/unvoting. PAF had voted Dan long before you did, so why is it only now that you use that as a reason to unvote Dan? And also, I thought PAF was one of your top townreads? If he voted one of your scumreads as well, wouldn't that just make you more confident in your vote?

As I said before, I do not mind lynching Orange today.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #404 - 08/24/17 at 04:11:33
 
Orange Slices wrote on 08/24/17 at 03:58:56:
I don't like how PAF has voted Dan, due to them equally being the most voted player. This may have been to put more pressure on Dan so he could attempt to prove his town allegiance or to simply jump on the bandwagon that would otherwise be on his shoulders.


Dans reason behind voting for me was completely justified at the time it was posted. I had made a really confusing and overly analytical post about TvK's reaction to receiving 3 out of 6 of the votes at that point. Since then I have had a very strong Town read towards him. Would you care to state your reasons for staying with this vote?

For now, I'm not really sure who to decide on

[vote]unvote[vote/]


Can you arrange the players on my following brackets in order from scummiest(left) to most townish(right)? Reasoning would be welcome, but I can understand if you don't have reasoning for all of them, gut feeling is allright too.


1. [Dan, TYG, Leone]

2. [TvK, Zwiebel, John]

3. [Brian, Third, Sportsguy]

4. [Dan, PAF, Zoran]
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #405 - 08/24/17 at 04:13:55
 
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Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:15:38:
I'm trying to do some reading but keep getting distracted by Leone's caps lock and emojis.


You don't like his posting style, now where have i heard that? Are you also in favor of lynching him if he gets too "annoying"?


Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:15:38:
Orange post 62:  Reading into somethings that probably mean absolutely nothing against tvk.  Not sure what to take from it.  I like that PAF and Dan call him out on it, but i think that is just as much a mafia ploy than a town ploy.  


You basically said nothing about either of them.

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:15:38:
I like Dan's first few post of the game.

Love Dan's last sentence in post 78.  
If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.



Could you clarify this a bit? I assume that you are not being sarcastic here which brings me to conclusion that you like Dan and dislike Leone  at this point?


Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:36:19:
Not through reading on page 6.  

IF Leone was a JESTER would he really be posting this odd and infuriating?  He would to an extent, but i don't think this absurd over the top is that of a JESTER.  

AS of page 6 he is my #1 town lean.  


Suddenly Leone is #1 town lean.

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 14:31:16:
My main read is that youre town. Dan is probably also town based on the amount of post he has.  

I don't really have anymore reads that i'm somewhat confident on.  Maybe PAF is mafia idk.


Again with idk, maybe talk. Your only opinions in this game are about Leone and Dan.

Is PAF still your maf? any other maf leans? Thoughts on everyone else?

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 14:37:36:
It's still day 1.  Don't really know much right now.


There is enough content to form an opinion, so please do that especially becasue one of the main wagons is on your town lean. Still waiting to see that different play style...
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #406 - 08/24/17 at 04:14:20
 
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 08:49:00:
2. More like, I was admitting my mistake. I wouldn't be amazed if both of you are town. But I also wouldn't be amazed if both of you are scum, you ARE quite unreadable.

I will say that I don't like this point from PAF, seems like he could just be trying to give himself a free pass if he winds up being wrong here.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #407 - 08/24/17 at 04:19:38
 
TvK wrote on 08/24/17 at 04:04:02:
In fact, can everyone just post if they will be around for the end of day? And if not, when will you make your final visit to the thread before the day ends? I would REALLY want everyone to use their vote today.


I like this from TvK and I think this is important. I will be around at 1:00ish Eastern time (4 hourd 40 minutes from now) for like an hour although I will also be getting lunch then. Don't know how much I'll be around outside of that
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Reply #408 - 08/24/17 at 04:20:12
 
I'll be there EoD
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Reply #409 - 08/24/17 at 04:22:56
 
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 08:58:30:
Would like to comment about John. He isn't digging hard like TvK or Zoran, he barely asks anyone questions actually, but he arguments about several subjects so he seems to care about finding scum. He discussed a bit about Leone's character, but only as a reply to Dan and he admits Dan took it too seriously.
If I recall correctly, he played similar in his past games.
He could very well do all of this as scum but I have a slight town lean on him.


I think it's interesting that you feel more confident about this than you seem to do about other things
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Reply #410 - 08/24/17 at 04:39:56
 
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 03:47:15:
I don't like how Zoran and TvK ignore that I'm being myself even though they both read both previous games... can't conclude much, but I'll be damned if all 3 are town.


You may think you are being yourself (the same), but in reality you are not. Last time we played i had to chase you over entire day and repeat my questions to get some answers, this time it is not the case.

As for 3 people on you, could you please list us in order from scummiest to towniest?

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 03:47:15:

As for Dan.... he actually looks better by trying to get into my perspetive, would it be a good move for him as scum?
There may be a chance he's pocketing me, but that's unlikely (Oh look, a counter-argument!! Forget everything he said and just lynch him already!!! Roll Eyes )


If Dan looks better and you think it is unlikely he is pocketing you, why is your vote still on him? Don't you think you should change your vote to one of us 3 on your wagon, or do you have someone even more scummy at this point?
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Reply #411 - 08/24/17 at 05:02:33
 
People on my wagon, scummiest to townish:
TvK - is acting the same as previous games in which he was scum... I've said several times I can't get in his head.
Thiradell - I can see someone who hasn't lurked in this MB, as townie, see me as scum even with his lame reasoning. But there's still a decent chance he's scum and he isn't scumhunting as hard as Zoran. (I think I just analyse this guy better, actually).
Zoran - is acting the same as previous games in which he was town. I'd like to assume I'd notice a difference in behavior if he were scum, but I can't be sure since I never seen him play as scum.


To answer Leone's question on replay #330, I guess if Dan/you were town TvK would be the most likely scum.




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Reply #412 - 08/24/17 at 05:05:04
 
Interesting that Dan argues that I am town, I point out the small possibilty that he's pocketing me and then he starts pointing things from old posts that makes his view on me worse...
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Reply #413 - 08/24/17 at 05:06:16
 
Oh and yeah, I'm here EoD. Heck, I may be here for pretty much the entire day but I'm not so sure.
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Reply #414 - 08/24/17 at 05:09:47
 
Has your read on Orange changed after his last couple of posts?
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Reply #415 - 08/24/17 at 05:11:27
 
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Thiradell wrote on 08/23/17 at 10:35:21:
I'm gonna go back and look at PAF, my parents are coming over soon and I'll be gone for a bit. still mainly waiting for the two guys that haven't talked yet



Why PAF at this point? Also why wait for 2, there were 9 people who posted?

Thiradell wrote on 08/23/17 at 10:51:10:
#129 Leone posted reads. Zoran also did a few recently


Indicates that he is reading any paying attention.

All over PAF in 348. He did his homework.

Thiradell wrote on 08/23/17 at 19:38:00:
sportsguy: Anything to add besides "&&&PAF could maybe be mafia idk"&&& in terms of scumreads? for now I'll

[vote]PAF[/vote]

but sportsguy basically hasn't said anything


Votes PAF, some thoughts on Sportsguy.

Thiradell wrote on 08/23/17 at 19:38:58:
re: Leone asking five times if he thinks he's reading Dan right, it's possible but I'm not at all convinced and I don't want to lynch Dan off of that.


Maybe do a research on Dan then?

Going back to his 1st post:

Thiradell wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:24:37:
Hi guys.  Smiley

Has Orange played before? He came across as scummy in almost every post, too much justification and not enough reads. Could just be his style but I like Dan's vote on him

Dunno about PAF/TvK for now, lots of back-and-forths on some super early day 1 stuff. Not a huge fan of either

I'll throw out a

[vote]Sportsguy[/vote]

until he makes a real post.



Any thoughts on Orange at this point?

Sportsguy still didn't make any real posts, but you did move away from him, didn't go for Orange at that point either but for PAF. Repeating the question, but why PAF of all people?

Any solid thoughts on anyone else?

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Reply #416 - 08/24/17 at 05:12:29
 
And do you still read John as townish? Even though he is trying his best to sit on the fence as long as possible?
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Reply #417 - 08/24/17 at 05:14:23
 
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:02:33:
To answer Leone's question on replay #330, I guess if Dan/you were town TvK would be the most likely scum.



I take back what I said, I forgot to take some people into account.
I only had a town lean on Timur bc I saw Dan as maf, so if he's town then Timur could very well be scum.
Also Timur has been a bit hypocritical, accusing people of bandwagoning when he's mostly doing so himself. I'm referring to both his vote on Dan without new ideas and his vote on Orange whom I still see as typical noob townie and easy D1 target. I laughed at Zoran's reply after that vote, I thought the same.

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Reply #418 - 08/24/17 at 05:23:57
 
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:14:23:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:02:33:
To answer Leone's question on replay #330, I guess if Dan/you were town TvK would be the most likely scum.



I take back what I said, I forgot to take some people into account.
I only had a town lean on Timur bc I saw Dan as maf, so if he's town then Timur could very well be scum.
Also Timur has been a bit hypocritical, accusing people of bandwagoning when he's mostly doing so himself. I'm referring to both his vote on Dan without new ideas and his vote on Orange whom I still see as typical noob townie and easy D1 target. I laughed at Zoran's reply after that vote, I thought the same.

I've yet to think deeply about Sportsguy


Why are you so adamant on Orange being Town Noob? What makes him more likely Town Noob than scared Maf? You think he shouldn't be put under pressure?
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Reply #419 - 08/24/17 at 05:32:45
 
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:14:23:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:02:33:
To answer Leone's question on replay #330, I guess if Dan/you were town TvK would be the most likely scum.



I take back what I said, I forgot to take some people into account.
I only had a town lean on Timur bc I saw Dan as maf, so if he's town then Timur could very well be scum.
Also Timur has been a bit hypocritical, accusing people of bandwagoning when he's mostly doing so himself. I'm referring to both his vote on Dan without new ideas and his vote on Orange whom I still see as typical noob townie and easy D1 target. I laughed at Zoran's reply after that vote, I thought the same.

I've yet to think deeply about Sportsguy


Does your read on TYG change now that your read on Dan is changing? Is your vote still on Dan because you would rather lynch him than be lynched yourself?
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Reply #420 - 08/24/17 at 05:37:54
 
Hey guys, literally fell asleep reading all the posts last night. I wish I had written down some notes on pen and paper because there's a lot to take in but I will def do that in later/more important rounds.
My reads so far are:

Dan: Town lead but acting different than what I've seen of his live game and I could def see being Jester or a similar role where getting lynched is good for him.  

Thiradell: Very slight Maf lead because he said Day 1 reads don't matter and then preceded to give us his.

PAF: Strongest Maf lead to this point (scattered thoughts and lots of his comments/reasoning didn't make sense to me)

TVK: Small town lead. Something to ask yourself: How often would Mafia be the first to vote for a random person so early in the game. As town we at least have to try to get info right?

Leone: I could def see having a specialty role of some kind.

All non mentioned people I'm neutral about so far.
Side note: if there is a Jester in the game he will likely be extremely active D1
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Reply #421 - 08/24/17 at 05:49:24
 
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:37:54:
Hey guys, literally fell asleep reading all the posts last night. I wish I had written down some notes on pen and paper because there's a lot to take in but I will def do that in later/more important rounds.


I don't like it that you call later days more important. In my opinion, day 1 is just as important as any other. A lot of the lynches we make in the later days will be supported by information we gathered during this day. You still have more than 8 hours in this day, so that should give you time to skim over the thread again.

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My reads so far are:

Dan: Town lead but acting different than what I've seen of his live game and I could def see being Jester or a similar role where getting lynched is good for him.


I don't follow you here. You have a townish feeling about him, but in the same line you say he is saying stuff that migth get him lynched. If he is saying something that might make you want to lynch him, shoudn't your first reflex be to call him mafia? And even if you think he is jester, he should be a third party role and still not town.  

B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:37:54:
TVK: Small town lead. Something to ask yourself: How often would Mafia be the first to vote for a random person so early in the game. As town we at least have to try to get info right?


So do you think I might be mafia because I was the first one to cast a random vote? Or do you call me slightly townish because of the same reason? What do you for example think of the fact that our top scumread (PAF) is the same person? Do you think that makes me more likely town or mafia?

Also, don't you think this is about a good time to use your vote?
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Reply #422 - 08/24/17 at 05:50:52
 
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Reply #423 - 08/24/17 at 05:54:10
 
B.Ray wrote on 08/24/17 at 05:37:54:
All non mentioned people I'm neutral about so far.


And to add to my previous post: how are you still neutral about Orange? He has made a lot of posts that should at least enable you to have some kind of opinion on him. Do you think his strange logic and him quickly changing votes is due to his inexperience as a town member? Or do you think he is a very cautious mafia member who is quick to change any opinions based on how other people react to his posts? Look for example at how he voted Dan, and then unvoted again after people started questioning his vote.
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Reply #424 - 08/24/17 at 06:14:29
 
7 hours and 46 minutes until end of day! Let me know if there are any discrepancies between your votes and what's showing up on the .cgi.
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