sportsguy: Anything to add besides "PAF could maybe be mafia idk" in terms of scumreads? for now I'll

[vote]PAF[/vote]

but sportsguy basically hasn't said anything

Alright, I am super tired and might be about to pass out, I didn't read back over the whole thread yet but should be able to when I wake up to keep developing reads. I will mention after reading Thiradell's post that I feel PAF always seems to look scummy in these games by weirdly second guessing himself, but I do like at least some of what he has done this game.

I don't remember liking Zwiebel when I skimmed. Though tbf I might have just gotten that thought because he's voting me so far. I would almost never lynch him on D1 anyway though.

DansGame wrote on 08/23/17 at 18:21:07:


Kind sir, I absolutely MUST contest this point -- thiss line of reasoning would have rooted out TVK when he last played!!!!! Sure not only mafia would make this type of argument, BUT other defenses exist if you wanted to townie it up!!! oh and also I've only seen maf consistently make these type of "look at what im doing!! maf wouldnt do this!!!" type of play.

Second, I'll address your question in #303 a bit more!!  

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genuine-looking gamesolving looks better if you're scum? that'd be a good reason, now wouldn't it??.....

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I, sir, could come up with a scenario on this!!!!

- yer tryna earn townie points while at the same time tunneling for a suspected neutral to keep town off scum trails mebbe????

win-win-win-win-win if you as Dan pulled it off too!!!! i expounded on this in my votepost i think

idk if IM tunneling too much tho, any1 wanna object to this degree of digging im doing????????? Last thing I want is to be a hypocrite on the whole tunneling thing!!!!!!!11!1!

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ok sorry but.

can you pless explain WIFOM™ to a harmless little townie like meeeeeee????   <3

I done checked for a definition BUT! was surprised to find it has many definitions and each could be used in a different context, so your clarification on this would help stupendously, kind sir!!!!

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eh I wouldnt say COMPLETE nonsense cuz maf would have more reason than town to defend themselves rather than prove their innocence by hunting all players down for scum... ESPECIALLY after that first-irl-day of yours. (re: the list Zoranskiy compiled and points i made in earlier posts along those lines).....

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ah you mean how you tunneled on me first half D1 for my insanity??? (again re: zoran's nice compilation, etc)

naaaaaaaaaaa............

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if what i said came across as saying "only mafia would defend themselves" then that's not what i meant, my post went after the SPECIFIC TYPE OF DEFENSE you employed, good sir!!!

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Sorry babe, I'm not hunting inactives, I'm hunting scum.  

BUT! please, DO find us someone scummy enough to lynch (even if they are inactive), so you get a chance at solving all our problems D2!

You seem to be reaching for reasons to stay alive under the assumption you're town ofc, but those reasons don't exactly fly for three of us atm.   (atm=keyword, dig up shit on everybody like i be tryna do [feel free to point out where ya been doing this consistently if ye have been], I dont want my perception of your activity to be wrong, this helps nobody given the extent to which I ramble on about things!!! im not perfect obviously!!! you gotta convince the voices yer pulling yer weight as an Investigator™!!!!1)

there's yer out, good sire: demonstrate consistent digging on everybody, not just myself/orange, and I'll reconsider my vote in this broader perspective you provide 

Thiradell wrote on 08/23/17 at 19:33:27:


Mr Thiradell sir, in your opinion is there a non-insignificant chance PAF could be clueless town??? he acted just as confused when he was town last game, I'm having a hard time seeing these as things only maf would say, coached or not...

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Might ye ples elaborate, fine sir, on why you remain unconvinced??? not tryna push a narrative, if anything I wanna know if there's a thing im not seeing!!!!!

thx!!

DANSTER!!!!

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could you possibly pinpoint any other possible causes for this unease???!?!?!?

oh also i forgot to post my thoughts on voting and inactives!!

fuck there's a mosquito in my faec

anyway

TYG WHERE ARE YOU YOU SAID YOUD 'try to post at better hours tomorrow' WELL 'TOMORROW' HAS BEEN GONE FOR AWHILE GOOD SIR!!!!!!!!

ALSO B RAY WHERE U AT

i swear i will lynch the fuck out of you inactives, here ill help you out with things to say, post things like reads/comments/thoughts/revelations, hell ill take threats, just DO A THING or something already, D1 is already almost up, i get the day is useless for wagonomics and flips/rereading convos under different lights/looking at night actions/lack thereof, vbut thats NO excuse for sitting on yer asses!!!1

ok On to VOTES!!

not counting memevotes those are worthless to analyze imo

i vote paf at 50 to apply pressure then switch to dan at 183 after i build my little conspiracy theory

sports comes in 55 and votes thira for no reason (unless he gave a reason i mightve missed one idk i cant recall rn, but he hasnt changed it, no idea why

dan votes orange at 74 cuz he looks scummy from shit entrance, no change since then butnthen orange never improved imo so also imo he deserves the pressure, not seeing this as too alignment-indicative of danskiy

thiradell retaliate-votes sportsguy at 130 then backs off by 350 and wagons as 3rd vote on paf, this feels fishy to me and if he's maf this is a clumsy yet logical way to vote, moreso if sports/him are m/m and he did the vote at 130 to double down on an originally-supposed-to-look-like-inno-bussing-strat by sporty, BUT outside votes im not getting scummy vibes from this man rn

tvk uses his vote to pressure potential scum, jumped on paf after i jumped to dan, timing o this might be interesting in future wagonomics, his votes look good as town and if hes smart maf then it's a good framing tactic but either way no way to tell at this point as usual for him

paf jumped to dan after I built my conspiracy theory and he backed said vote w/ p much same reasons i gave, this seems weird but as I keep saying his meta is sheeping on others' logic so im hesitant to call him scum

zoran just pressuring paf, i dont see this as remarkable at a,ll rn lol

zwiebel jumping on danny for the tunnel thing, same reason i used, this doesnt make me think either town or maf, but zweebs has been quiet since most of the day and he did this as maf before, so.... gotta keep a eye on him

and!!!!!!

MOST IMPORTANT IMO:

B RAY, TYG, and ORANGE ARE NOT USING THEIR VOTES AT ALL. MAF HAVE BEEN HABITUAL EOD-ONLY-VOTERS OR BANDWAGONERS voting-wise in past games,

@anyone,

thoughts on this/? thoughts on any of these other vote-ralated ramblings? on anthing else we mentioned in this post?

i cant remember already lol why am i awake

Brian

B.Ray wrote on 08/23/17 at 15:53:47:


This is the only post he made that had anything useful. Although i agree with you that Dan is a good townie (when he is one), in this situation in which we are atm i see this as advocating for not lynching Dan today.

B.Ray wrote on 08/23/17 at 15:53:47:


No posts yet, time is getting short. There is a lot to read, you can also post some thoughts while you are reading and indicate that this was your opinion until post number X. Make sure you make up your mind before eod, it would be disappointing to here excuses like - i didn't vote D1 because i wanted to read everything before voting, but never made it.

Looking forward to see more thoughts from you.

DansGame wrote on 08/23/17 at 02:24:00:





P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 04:51:58:


Dan insisting on something is very suspicious. When scum hunting or searching through posts you should never make reads with absolute certainty. It's better to gather as many clues/hints as possible and work from there. If you have a strong maf/town lean towards somebody, that's fair, but absolutely insisting on it and defending your positions is awfully scummy, regardless of whether they're read as being town or maf. Calling out somebody as a Town with absolute certainty could easily mean that player is a mafia with a significant night role - somebody who is vital to the team. So it would make sense for you to defend them with absolute certainty, as they're playing a vital role for the mafia who they cannot afford to lose.

As for Dan being the top poster, (not anymore currently), I'd say this may be a case of reverse psychology. Due to the top posters almost always being town as you say, it would seem logical to post as much as you can so people are tricked into believing you are town in that sense.

[vote]DansGame[vote/]

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 05:13:29:


Considering I agree with his thoughts about searching for roles, I like this post. Even though sportsguy definitely needs to contribute more, for now I'd rather lynch Orange.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 05:15:34:


I've played Werewolf games with Third (Thiradell) in VA. He is usually very quiet on D1 and he gets more passionate in future days when there is more information to go off of. By itself for me that is a null read on D1.

I hear what you're saying about Orange and I think it is another one of the things that makes you look town, however I want to see more from him before I vote for someone else because otherwise he's just a bad player (if he keeps up that way) that may bring us down in the future regardless of alignment.

I know that at this point me voting Paf might be a good idea but I am definitely reading him town.