johnboy81918 wrote on 08/23/17 at 16:42:36:


What more will it take for you to use your vote? Is Dan not scummy enough to warrant your vote? Or are you waiting for anyone else look worse? We are only 21 hours away from the end of day and nobody has had more than 3 votes on them so far.

Orange Slices wrote on 08/23/17 at 17:03:52:


What do you think of the fact that your biggest townlean (me) is voting your only other town lean (PAF)? Do you think my reasoning for voting him is wrong but it does come from a townie mindset? Does PAF drop on your townmeter now that I have pointed this out? I'm also very curious to your read on Dan, who has the biggest wagon on him. And of course, your other maf reads.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 15:01:40:


"no 2nd maf group"

LETS SPECULATE THEN!!!!!!111

let's say dan* Leone is nothing but t/t banter

who's maf????

that's somthn you could answer to help!!

also questions, just make shit up and gauge reactions  

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TVK be Discount-TVL

also known as Tom Van Kessel

forum faggot  

j/k <3 u tvk

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he keeps sheeping on whoever pressurizes him, NOT A FAN.. ALSO claims to be incapable of Defending Himself, maybe honest/desperate but also maybe maf stuck in a corner, goddammit its hard to tell, I'm hearing different things from different parts of my brain!?!?!!!!!

BUT this IS his meta. He looks fucken terrible but Dan STILL looks worse to me.

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so you're saying he's saying nothing here, yeah I got the same vibe

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he ALSO rode off the assumption that YS as a role exists then when I pressurized him he contradicted himself!!!??!

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MY problem with paf isn't WHETHER he looks scummy, because he certainly does. MY problem with this man is that he could be doing and saying EVERYTHING he's doing and saying as EITHER Town or Maf. In Dan's case, I simply don't see Dan acting the way he is....

BUT that's just my POV. TVK what do you see out of PAF that CAN'T be noob town???????!?!?

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just read the entire day's interactions and look for sweeping themes in our interactions, then go into depth where necessary!!!!!

Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 17:54:01:


Possibly the dumbest thing I hear people spout on this forum is the idea that it can only be mafia to defend the way you play and say that you are doing certain things that you'd never do as mafia. Am I not allowed to defend myself? I think I gave a pretty good reason why it would be really fucking dumb to try to confirm someone as non-mafia outwardly if you yourself was mafia. Obviously this may be WIFOM but to say there's only one strategically relevant reason I'd try to bring this up (which in your mind is that I'm mafia) is complete and utter nonsense.

Does no one remember the game two or three games ago where Alaktorn tunneled hard on me D1 for a half joke vote on Yoshistar and I spent all day trying to defend myself from his ridiculously stupid accusations? I was town in that game. The idea that I could only be mafia for trying hard to defend my own logic about things is completely asinine.

Orange Slices wrote on 08/23/17 at 17:03:52:


Can you give more specific reasons that TvK is now your strongest town lean after you came out right away thinking he is scummy?

DansGame wrote on 08/23/17 at 18:36:32:


The reason why TvK came off as scummy was from that one post in the beginning of the game I searched through too deeply. Every post of his thereon has concise and straight to the point. He's always questioned people's actions and asked for justification.

I've had so scummy vibes from him whatsoever since the beginning

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/23/17 at 15:56:58:


I think I already sort of responded to this, but mafia will want to kill off anyone who's confirmed not to be a member of the mafia (regardless if they are town or neutral) because otherwise it makes the math of the game worse for them

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 15:04:13:


He may have said he can't read TvK well but he's making an effort to do so and he also noticed that interesting fact. I am feeling better about PAF again

PAF is all over the map dude.

"I'm get small scum vibes from Thiradell since his reads aren't deep and he excuses with "this is early D1". There's no real problem with posting reads which would end up irrelevant later on IMO."

next to

"I wonder if we can get something out of this...Either way, I think TvK is unreadable on D1" *unvotes TvK*
"Meh, you guys are making me doubt my own reasoning (which wasn't really solid in the first place)."
"Meh, I was just trying to analyze but wasn't actually able to think about anything."
"Hinting at a role also seemed something mafia wouldn't be likely to do, I thought they would be more likely to fake claim... I'm not even sure what was my exact reasoning anymore."
"I know it's bad. I hesitated a bit to post that and decided to post because it's better than nothing." (lol)
"More like, I was admitting my mistake. I wouldn't be amazed if both of you are town. But I also wouldn't be amazed if both of you are scum, you ARE quite unreadable."
"He could very well do all of this as scum but I have a slight town lean on him." (lol)
"BUT WHAT IF I'M NOT FUCKING CAPABLE??? I already said to TvK they were suspicious of me for a good reason and could still be town, I just suck."

is this mafia? re-analyzing your own observations/reads doesn't do much unless you're trying to make sure that everything you're saying is inscrutable. Looks like mafia to me