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Reply #250 - 08/23/17 at 12:08:06
 
Also, Dan/Leone Maf is basically impossible from my speculations. If Dan is Maf, Leone is either Third party or Town
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Reply #251 - 08/23/17 at 12:08:50
 
Page glitch and I messed up my vote lol

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Reply #252 - 08/23/17 at 12:20:49
 
ZORAN!!!

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k so your biggest scumread is paf, you said you'd elaborate upon why but didn't really do so besides a response to a quote of an early-ish pafpost...

other than that not a whole lot to say on #198, #199... Thx for answering my questions, I don't see anything in there that needs further tunneling atm <3

also were you asking ME the thing you said in #107?? It didnt look like it but if so then I'd be happy to oblige  Kiss

#200 that, sir, is some fine digging, and only confirms my suspicions, idk if we're coming to the same conclusion on dan's obsession by the same or different thought processes, but I read it a few times and I don't see holes rn, at least the logic looks town unless you're sheeping off me in an elaborate way, which the numbers dont support

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Thanks for pointing this out, Zoran, I think I had missed it until now. This souds A LOT like PAF somehow has a very strong feeling that Leone is in fact town. And which people in this game know the alignment of everyone in this game?


wait so, if this was one of your rationale for switching your vote to PAF and you were later corrected by being reminded that there's 3+ factions in the game (which looks like a FABRICATED townie slip btw, you seemingly forgetting there are 3rd parties at play), then why stay on paf, especially since sportsguy returned???

the only way this vote continues to make sense is if you think maf know who's town and who's third-party (re: 'know the alignment of everyone in this game')!!!! How wouldst thou knowest this???????? WHAT SAY YE, SIR TVK????
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Reply #253 - 08/23/17 at 12:25:13
 
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I think Leone was a very possible lynch candidate based on the confusing style of his posts and his extremely different playstyle this game. I then evaluated that style as likely due to a specific role he was given and/or due to being a jester/angel.


so you were originally willing to lynch just cuz my posts were confusing??? Smiley that seems like a really weird rationale, even if you did move away from it... certainly you wouldn't have prioritized more scummy behavior before lynching me on a given day???? this isn't characteristic of a scumhunting goody-two-shoes-investigative-townie attitude..!!!  Shocked Shocked
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Reply #254 - 08/23/17 at 12:26:04
 
Hey Leone

can you summarize your Town and Maf leans so far? I lost track
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Reply #255 - 08/23/17 at 12:30:31
 
TvK wrote on 08/23/17 at 04:08:36:
I just read up on the thread. TYG hasn't posted anything to make me think that he's town at this point. Neither has Thiradell. At first I could see a little bit of what Leone was saying about Dan being fixated on him being Yoshistar. But then again, it actually is Leone who is constantly coming back to the issue by posting things which makes people speculate about his identity. Once again reading through the posts has been very hard because of Leone's posting style.

I much rather would want to switch the spotlight from Leone and Dan to some other people that have only casually commented on the and haven't received too much attention so far. From one point, I understand what Thiradell is trying to say about Day 1 being Day 1 and the fact that he doesn't want to explain his reads too much. But the biggest part of me does not agree with this. There are 48 hours in Day 1. Are we already going to settle for "we probably aren't going to lynch scum"? I definitely won't. And if you don't have enough leads to follow, then start asking questions about every post made. Saying this, I do like your vote on Sportsguy.


I like this post from TvK. Trying to get the discussion away from this whole derailing.
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Reply #256 - 08/23/17 at 12:32:20
 
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1. John was the first who mentioned he was hinting at his character. I thought the same way but thought it wasn't a good idea to post (I explained this back then).
And yeah, I assumed Yoshistar would be a town role for some reason. Hinting at a role also seemed something mafia wouldn't be likely to do, I thought they would be more likely to fake claim... I'm not even sure what was my exact reasoning anymore. You and TvK have good reasons to suspect me for this, I guess I can deal with it...

2. Hey, I said that particular argument of his seemed valid. Like i said, TvK is unreadable on D1, so I won't trust him so easily. You may (or may not) see me disagreeing with him at some point.
Also, it's important to know what isn't alignment-indicating. My post contrasts with Dan's post shortly after, in which he scum-reads Orange. Also, I changed my mind, Orange's posts give me town vibes...


I'll put this in list form so it's easier for you to respond to it!!!!

1. Why did you assume that YS as a character exists??  Shocked

2. "...I guess I can deal with it." WHAT KIND OF DEFENSE IS THAT??? "You can deal with it" SO are you saying their suspicion is warranted??????? If you're town, NO suspicion on you is warranted AND you SHOULD BE CAPABLE of eliminating said suspicions!!!!!!!!!111 this looks scummy as fuuuuuuuuuuuck, mayn, w0000!

3. "I said that particular argument of his seemed valid. Like i said, TvK is unreadable on D1, so I won't trust him so easily." this looks contradiction-y imo

4. "Also, I changed my mind, Orange's posts give me town vibes..." but... but...... WWHHYYYYYYYYYYYYyyy?!!?!???!!??!!?!111 why does orange look town to you, fine sir??! I'm not trying you to agree with me or anyone else, I just would like an elaboration!!!!!1

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Reply #257 - 08/23/17 at 12:41:12
 
sure thing timer <3

Dan and PAF look scummy, I summarized my reasons for each in previous posts (possible TMI-ing and unnecessary tunneling by Dan, etc, then paf is looking worse with each post he makes, is the really, reallllyyyy, RREEAALLLLYY short of it)

ssportsguy and orange look scummy but less so, sportsguy made some weird, illogical plays this game but he might be doing this from a power role perspective like how he did in previous games... as for orange, everything he's done screams scum but it also could scream noob town, he's not my top priority atm

Thiradell gives me a null read, he's being unnecrssarily quiet about his reads but that might be his style, no clue

you: neutral cuz still hafta check our yer contributions, I'll get to you  Kiss

TVK: neutral, some good shit some bad/clumsy shit, will hafta wait & see

John, TYG, Zoran give me townie vibes, their logic follows a townie perspective even if their posts are lackluster for the most part, and tyg was willing to back-and-forth with me which as someone, cba to rmeember who, mentioned, is uncharacteristically brave of TYG

also

WHERE THE FUCK IS B. RAY??!?!?!?!!??!?!!!?!!!!1

that sums it up in reallly short terms

I'd like this sorta summary from other active ppl rn, if yall could kindly oblige  Kiss <3
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Reply #258 - 08/23/17 at 12:44:59
 
paf's post on john just echoes previous sentiments, maybe MAYBE i cant blame him here, it's a valid observation imo to say john hasn't really said a whole lot but looks town from what he has said... any elaborations you'd like to make on why you feel this way paf??
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Reply #259 - 08/23/17 at 12:52:08
 
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It's like I said, both of you are voting me because I did a mistake in my thought process, barely says anything about your alignment.


but... why not?? wouldnt them voting you unjustly (if yer town) in your eyes come across as scummy????

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Reply #260 - 08/23/17 at 12:57:45
 
DansGame wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:05:51:
Also I think Leone is more likely angel than jester which usually means if he doesn't get lynched today he becomes VT. This would give him an incentive to actively try to solve the game while still making strange posts.


How would this follow??? if my goal were to get lynched today (angel) wouldnt my 'content' density remain low then go up on day2 instead of how ppl say it's gone up today?? just not sure where you're coming from on this one?  Huh
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Reply #261 - 08/23/17 at 13:00:15
 
oh yeah and also timur looks neutral to me atm after reading his shit, no strong vibes one way or the other, his logic looks fine but he DID wait a long time to join in like when he was maf last game, gonna wait and see what he does, in case anyone cares which prolly no-one will or would need to :')

if we need to grill him and he's maf just get him close to majority and watch him crack, ez enough!!!!  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #262 - 08/23/17 at 13:02:01
 
k getting food/doing some other things be back in a bit unless I post this and I find some fag's already responded, in which case I'll respond back first if need be then go afk for a bit, this logic applies if someone replies and I hafta reply back and this cycle continues, basically I'm going afk when I first seee a break in posts I hafta respond to

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Reply #263 - 08/23/17 at 13:05:04
 
Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:41:12:
sure thing timer <3

Dan and PAF look scummy, I summarized my reasons for each in previous posts (possible TMI-ing and unnecessary tunneling by Dan, etc, then paf is looking worse with each post he makes, is the really, reallllyyyy, RREEAALLLLYY short of it)

ssportsguy and orange look scummy but less so, sportsguy made some weird, illogical plays this game but he might be doing this from a power role perspective like how he did in previous games... as for orange, everything he's done screams scum but it also could scream noob town, he's not my top priority atm

Thiradell gives me a null read, he's being unnecrssarily quiet about his reads but that might be his style, no clue

you: neutral cuz still hafta check our yer contributions, I'll get to you  Kiss

TVK: neutral, some good shit some bad/clumsy shit, will hafta wait & see

John, TYG, Zoran give me townie vibes, their logic follows a townie perspective even if their posts are lackluster for the most part, and tyg was willing to back-and-forth with me which as someone, cba to rmeember who, mentioned, is uncharacteristically brave of TYG

also

WHERE THE FUCK IS B. RAY??!?!?!?!!??!?!!!?!!!!1

that sums it up in reallly short terms

I'd like this sorta summary from other active ppl rn, if yall could kindly oblige  Kiss <3


Can you pinpoint some of the "weird, illogical plays" from Sportsguy?
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Reply #264 - 08/23/17 at 13:05:19
 
Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:43:17:
TVK FINE SIR!

#189 looks bad, I am sorry to say.

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TYG hasn't posted anything to make me think that he's town at this point. Neither has Thiradell.


So they're neutral to you? Anything in particular look good/bad? why/why not?


They're absolute nulls.

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But then again, it actually is Leone who is constantly coming back to the issue by posting things which makes people speculate about his identity.


or like I pointed out 2-3 textwallls ago, my bringing it up is generally, if not entirely, response to dan????


Dan is like 100% set on you being Yoshistar. Unless you really want us to figure out which character you are (in which case, you're not really giving something decent to work with), then why are you still trying to convince people that you are not Yoshistar, not Pobre, but "you"?

Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:43:17:
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And if you don't have enough leads to follow, then start asking questions about every post made.


thou shouldst follow thy own advice, kind sir, you've not responded to near as much as you have previousy in other games, thus far, I must admit  Kiss

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Saying this, I do like your vote on Sportsguy.


why's dat? iirc either you or danskiy said voting for ppl you dont know is a bad thing, either this is a contradiction or it disagrees with someone else, IN EITHER CASE I'd like an elaboration here please sir!!


I don't care about knowing or not knowing the people I play with. At that point we needed to look at the game from a fresh angle, away from you/Dan. A vote for someone else can achieve that.

Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:43:17:
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It's a good thing that you (orange-sama) are at least posting in this game


Is it? quiet maf try to keep up a veneer of posting when they really have nothing to add, keep in mind my friend!!! why are his baseless posts better than nothing? just cuz they give us an indication of his alignment???


Less experienced players tend to post very little whenever there are discussion going on that might go over their head. Also, when they feel like they are under some sort of attack, they will shy away from posting fearing that they will make some kind of mistake. So far, I do not have a very solid read on Orange, so I am encouraging him to not stop posting. The more he posts, the better my read of him will be.
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Reply #265 - 08/23/17 at 13:07:01
 
Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:45:33:
ALSO tvk! how bout that vote reversal on sportsguy??? he's around rn despite what he said (will elaborate in my next wall of nonsense), how bout some pressure you promised, good sir????? and if not then why not, pray tell????


I like my vote where it is right now.
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Reply #266 - 08/23/17 at 13:10:32
 
Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:20:49:
TVK!!!!

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Thanks for pointing this out, Zoran, I think I had missed it until now. This souds A LOT like PAF somehow has a very strong feeling that Leone is in fact town. And which people in this game know the alignment of everyone in this game?


wait so, if this was one of your rationale for switching your vote to PAF and you were later corrected by being reminded that there's 3+ factions in the game (which looks like a FABRICATED townie slip btw, you seemingly forgetting there are 3rd parties at play), then why stay on paf, especially since sportsguy returned???

the only way this vote continues to make sense is if you think maf know who's town and who's third-party (re: 'know the alignment of everyone in this game')!!!! How wouldst thou knowest this???????? WHAT SAY YE, SIR TVK????


I don't like the way PAF reacted to mine and Zoran's vote on him. I'll just keep it there for now.
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Reply #267 - 08/23/17 at 13:25:18
 
Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:32:20:
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1. John was the first who mentioned he was hinting at his character. I thought the same way but thought it wasn't a good idea to post (I explained this back then).
And yeah, I assumed Yoshistar would be a town role for some reason. Hinting at a role also seemed something mafia wouldn't be likely to do, I thought they would be more likely to fake claim... I'm not even sure what was my exact reasoning anymore. You and TvK have good reasons to suspect me for this, I guess I can deal with it...

2. Hey, I said that particular argument of his seemed valid. Like i said, TvK is unreadable on D1, so I won't trust him so easily. You may (or may not) see me disagreeing with him at some point.
Also, it's important to know what isn't alignment-indicating. My post contrasts with Dan's post shortly after, in which he scum-reads Orange. Also, I changed my mind, Orange's posts give me town vibes...


I'll put this in list form so it's easier for you to respond to it!!!!

1. Why did you assume that YS as a character exists??  Shocked

2. "...I guess I can deal with it." WHAT KIND OF DEFENSE IS THAT??? "You can deal with it" SO are you saying their suspicion is warranted??????? If you're town, NO suspicion on you is warranted AND you SHOULD BE CAPABLE of eliminating said suspicions!!!!!!!!!111 this looks scummy as fuuuuuuuuuuuck, mayn, w0000!

3. "I said that particular argument of his seemed valid. Like i said, TvK is unreadable on D1, so I won't trust him so easily." this looks contradiction-y imo

4. "Also, I changed my mind, Orange's posts give me town vibes..." but... but...... WWHHYYYYYYYYYYYYyyy?!!?!???!!??!!?!111 why does orange look town to you, fine sir??! I'm not trying you to agree with me or anyone else, I just would like an elaboration!!!!!1

thx  Smiley



1. Most of my reasoning in those posts had the premise that YS exists in this game, but wasn't convinced about it. There's no problem with "what if".

2. "SHOULD BE CAPABLE" BUT WHAT IF I'M NOT FUCKING CAPABLE??? I already said to TvK they were suspicious of me for a good reason and could still be town, I just suck.

3. Unreadable doesn't mean every single argument he makes is invalid. Heck, even being scum doesn't imply that.

4. I already explained this in a post in which even you quoted. Let me try to explain...
Orange just screams noob town in his few posts. He's trying but ends up picking on irrelevant stuff and misunderstanding things. But he's trying. Okay he only did 5 posts... but was he online when he wasn't posting, ever? (I don't know the answer to this, btw. But you probably do).

Oh my, you're being so picky. Like, you see to be trying to find contradictions everywhere. And you sure demand lots of explanations. Should I see this as scumhunting? Maybe but not convinced. You're giving me scum-TvK vibes... meh I still have a lot to think about your alignment.
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Reply #268 - 08/23/17 at 13:27:14
 
DansGame wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:01:36:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 11:38:21:
It just occurred to me... if several people such as Dan and myself already see Leone as angel/jester for a while and he really is one, then why is he still posting the same way? Wouldn't he try something different to get lynched?


It's WIFOM IMO


Sure, reverse psychology can be applied to pretty much everything in this game. But in this case, it just doesn't seem effective. You think otherwise?
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Reply #269 - 08/23/17 at 13:48:48
 
im BAAAAAAAAAAck bitchezz

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#246 outlines my concerns with sportsguy rn, not much to add to em, maybe 'illogical' wasn't an accurate descriptor, idk idc point is sportsguy looks a bit scummy to me and 248 tells us all why!!1  Cheesy

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Reply #270 - 08/23/17 at 13:53:41
 
Leone wrote on 08/23/17 at 12:00:58:
SPORTSDUDE KIND SIR!!!!

Time for your reckoning, babyyyyyy!!!!!!1!!!!!1

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I'm here.  

Whose thiradell?  

[vote]thiradell[/vote]
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I hope to play a little different than i usually do, but no promises.  I'm busy until tomorrow, but no work wed. or thurs. so i should be around.  

General pregame thought:  I don't really know many of these people playing.  

Edit: modified to make the bold work.


You entered on this nonsense: "gonna play different", no change from your usual quietness and lack of alignment indicators

also "gonna be busy til tomorrow" k then, you're here, show us what you got fine sir!!

then you voted somebody you don't know for reasons unbeknownst to myself

ALSO I WANNA POINT OUT AND GET PEOPLES' THOUGHTS ON:

ALAK and Sportsguy bused each other Day 1 in a previous game by voting one another, is this happening right now??????  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

moving on!!

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Read a couple pages.

I like Dan as town because of his searching for roles.  Some of yall think the complete opposite, but not me.  I actually like doing that because it brings more discussion.  I would do this in previous games and would draw the most suspicion even though i was town.  


Wont be back for a while.  Just had a nephew born.


>defends Dan then says won't be back for awhile cuz family stuff and things

idk what you define as "a while", kind sir, BUT you did return  Shocked

...and defended your absence.

then #238 happened!!

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It seems Leone knows a lot of information about this game.  I'm not sure if it is from inferences based on Shock clarifying things.  Suspicious


I know alot about stuff and things? How would you know this?? Inferences from Shock's clarifications are certainly easy to come by, would you mind elaborating with what I "seem to know" and how you came about these conclusions?????

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If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.


so you love the sentence sir Dan then contradicted in multiple posts following this one??  Huh

and whelp that's all you've contributed this game I have a commentary on!!!

go fetch me those sweet, sweet rationalizations my fine friend  Kiss


I honestly don't know who thiradell is.  BUT when i am mafia i usually will vote for one of my mafia buddies during the game.  

???? I said i was busy tuesday night so i made a quick post just to show everyone that i knew the game was going on.  I got back on here wed. morning and then had a family matter.  And i returned like 4 hrs later.  

I wrote it seems like you know lots of things.  This was early in the game where i hadn't read that many pages.  I think it was when you asked if you were harvey or something.  All your post and quoting run together.   I don't know if harvey is in the game.  Certainly could be, but you seemed confident that he was.  Could have been the badgering you received from Dan though.  


I was posting as i was reading so i posted as if i had only read a couple pages and then i would read a little more.


These repsonses are probably out of order, but quoting individually and doing those post tricks aren't my forte.
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Dan is like 100% set on you being Yoshistar. Unless you really want us to figure out which character you are (in which case, you're not really giving something decent to work with), then why are you still trying to convince people that you are not Yoshistar, not Pobre, but "you"?


cuz ASSUMING I'm the same x character, WHILE HELPFUL to a degree, can make us overthink implications to this and this overthinking takes up time that could be used looking elsewhere/considering other scenarios regarding other ppl, and also it clouds ppls' judgement and that wont help us get to the bottom of who's maf and who's not  Wink
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Reply #272 - 08/23/17 at 13:55:10
 
I don't think Timur would bus Dan this early when he's far from being lynched, so he has a slight town lean from me. Worth noting that he practically took off other people's alignments though...

Leone can't be scum with Dan, he's unlikely to keep with his bs as jester/angel, yet I don't see why he would do this as pure town................... arghhhhh my head
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Reply #273 - 08/23/17 at 13:56:33
 
*took off other people's ARGUMENTS
(idk why I wrote that lel)
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Reply #274 - 08/23/17 at 14:19:32
 
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1. Most of my reasoning in those posts had the premise that YS exists in this game, but wasn't convinced about it. There's no problem with "what if".


but you said that you "assumed" ys would be a role... assumption =/= what-if

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2. "SHOULD BE CAPABLE" BUT WHAT IF I'M NOT FUCKING CAPABLE??? I already said to TvK they were suspicious of me for a good reason and could still be town, I just suck.


well you should atleast be trying to stay on the offense by scumhunting, not moping around and giving up all like "well I screwed up so they have a right to suspect me even though im a townie" ???

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but was he online when he wasn't posting, ever? (I don't know the answer to this, btw. But you probably do).


a couple times but nowhere as much as Dan has been recently...!!!

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Oh my, you're being so picky. Like, you see to be trying to find contradictions everywhere. And you sure demand lots of explanations. Should I see this as scumhunting? Maybe but not convinced.


ok????? SO, what is YOUR definition of scumhunting then????!?!??!?!!! sitting back and resigning yourself to others' suspicions??????

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You're giving me scum-TvK vibes...


howso fair kind sir????
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