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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #200 - 08/23/17 at 06:01:16  
So i woke up this morning and YS talk was still the main thing. This is why i went in to search how often Dan was on that point

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:18:36:
Are you Yoshistar, Leone?


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:40:21:
No doubt about it, Leone is YS


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:25:23:
Dude, Leone is 100% Yoshistar.


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:52:10:
I feel like Leone didn't want to just out that he was Yoshistar yet but it's really obvious that he is Yoshistar


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:09:45:
Leone is Yoshistar, there is so much evidence to support that he is.  

Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is.


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:59:37:
I would still bet my life that Leone is Yoshistar.  He threw soooooo much YS fluff into his posts.


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:06:29:
I think he's 100% Yoshistar and like 50ish% a jester or angel


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:37:54:
All 5 of these point to yoshistar.  


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:50:52:
 The more I think about it the more I feel like he's exactly Yoshistar and a jester/angel.


This really is a lot. However, i don't see any reason why Dan would benefit from this claim.

Apart from YS claims, i found some stuff from Dan i didn't like:

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:44:50:
Also I feel like if I were mafia I would have just posted that in mafia chat but you be the judge.


I think this sentence wasn't needed at all. This is just padding yourself on the back.

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:52:10:
I feel like Leone didn't want to just out that he was Yoshistar yet but it's really obvious that he is Yoshistar


You "caught" him on page 2 and you say it is really obvious. I don't think this is how someone who wants to avoid being read as YS would act.

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:09:45:
 

Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is.  If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.


This is the point where it went too far. You are really forcing it here and it looks to me like you are indirectly blaming Leone (his style of play) for your YS read on him.

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:14:06:
Actually that's a really good point that I even brought up before


Again padding yourself on the back. I really don't like sentances like this.

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:57:18:
2. I think that someone posting as shit as you had been is a very possible lynch candidate regardless of whether they are coached or not.


Discrediting his posting style and seeing him as very possible lynch candidate, but less then 2 hours later...

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:57:07:
I feel comfortable now in saying that I probably would never lynch Leone unless for some reason he was confirmed to be mafia or if I was in a final 3 with him where I'd have to reconsider.


Then Thirdell asked this

Thiradell wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:30:06:
show me a bad one Dan.


and your answer contained
DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:40:16:
I don't know if I personally had too much of a problem with that one, but TvK really didn't like it for how he switched on PAF, I guess


Why did you point to TvK's opinion to answer this question? Your thoughts were wanted, not TvK's.

My biggest town lean is Leone - i like his activity, he posted his thoughts on PAF right behind me, i see the reason behind his reads on Dan. He is asking questions and was the 1st person to post a full list which i see as pro town behavior.

Dan i'm 50-50, all this i posted doesn't look good, but the fact that he town/neutral read Leone and that PAF just voted for him makes me feel better about Dan

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #201 - 08/23/17 at 06:03:10  
So i woke up this morning and YS talk was still the main thing. This is why i went in to search how often Dan was on that point

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:18:36:
Are you Yoshistar, Leone?


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:40:21:
No doubt about it, Leone is YS


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:25:23:
Dude, Leone is 100% Yoshistar.


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:52:10:
I feel like Leone didn't want to just out that he was Yoshistar yet but it's really obvious that he is Yoshistar


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:09:45:
Leone is Yoshistar, there is so much evidence to support that he is.  

Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is.


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:59:37:
I would still bet my life that Leone is Yoshistar.  He threw soooooo much YS fluff into his posts.


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:06:29:
I think he's 100% Yoshistar and like 50ish% a jester or angel


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:37:54:
All 5 of these point to yoshistar.  


DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:50:52:
 The more I think about it the more I feel like he's exactly Yoshistar and a jester/angel.


This really is a lot. However, i don't see any reason why Dan would benefit from this claim.

Apart from YS claims, i found some stuff from Dan i didn't like:

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:44:50:
Also I feel like if I were mafia I would have just posted that in mafia chat but you be the judge.


I think this sentence wasn't needed at all. This is just padding yourself on the back.

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:52:10:
I feel like Leone didn't want to just out that he was Yoshistar yet but it's really obvious that he is Yoshistar


You "caught" him on page 2 and you say it is really obvious. I don't think this is how someone who wants to avoid being read as YS would act.

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:09:45:
 

Leone can go ahead and claim that he's yoshistar becuase it's obvious it is.  If he doesn't want to do that then he needs to explain why he's posting the way he is or stop posting in that annoying way because otherwise I'm lynching the fuck out of him.


This is the point where it went too far. You are really forcing it here and it looks to me like you are indirectly blaming Leone (his style of play) for your YS read on him.

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:14:06:
Actually that's a really good point that I even brought up before


Again padding yourself on the back. I really don't like sentances like this.

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:57:18:
2. I think that someone posting as shit as you had been is a very possible lynch candidate regardless of whether they are coached or not.


Discrediting his posting style and seeing him as very possible lynch candidate, but less then 2 hours later...

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:57:07:
I feel comfortable now in saying that I probably would never lynch Leone unless for some reason he was confirmed to be mafia or if I was in a final 3 with him where I'd have to reconsider.


Then Thirdell asked this

Thiradell wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:30:06:
show me a bad one Dan.


and your answer contained
DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:40:16:
I don't know if I personally had too much of a problem with that one, but TvK really didn't like it for how he switched on PAF, I guess


Why did you point to TvK's opinion to answer this question? Your thoughts were wanted, not TvK's.

My biggest town lean is Leone - i like his activity, he posted his thoughts on PAF right behind me, i see the reason behind his reads on Dan. He is asking questions and was the 1st person to post a full list which i see as pro town behavior.

Dan i'm 50-50, all this i posted doesn't look great, but the fact that he town/neutral read Leone in the end and that PAF just voted for him makes me feel better about Dan

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #202 - 08/23/17 at 06:05:05  
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #203 - 08/23/17 at 06:23:11  
no control wrote on 08/23/17 at 05:18:57:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:11:31:
I first thought Leone was hinting at his character so that, when he claimed it later on, he would be almost cleared. Dan's post would ruin this completely.

So what if Dan ruins Leone's plans? Does this mean you have had a town read on Leone at that point?


Thanks for pointing this out, Zoran, I think I had missed it until now. This souds A LOT like PAF somehow has a very strong feeling that Leone is in fact town. And which people in this game know the alignment of everyone in this game?
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #204 - 08/23/17 at 06:27:15  
Meh it doesn't seem like Sportsguy is going to be around in the next couple of hours, so I might as well switch my vote to someone who deserves some more pressure. This does not mean that I don't want any pressure on Sportsguy anymore. I'm really curious to see how he reacts when we finally get around to actually putting him into a position where he needs to talk. But for now, I'll move my vote here:

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #205 - 08/23/17 at 06:29:07  
I think Leone was a very possible lynch candidate based on the confusing style of his posts and his extremely different playstyle this game. I then evaluated that style as likely due to a specific role he was given and/or due to being a jester/angel.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #206 - 08/23/17 at 07:23:40  
no control wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:13:53:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:11:31:
I first thought Leone was hinting at his character so that, when he claimed it later on, he would be almost cleared. Dan's post would ruin this completely. But then again, Leone insists way too much on it and may have made it too obvious... I'm not sure what to say.


At what point did you first thought Leone was hinting at his character? TBH, i didn't see it until Dan mentioned it.
I don't get the logic about him being almost cleared when he would claim later on. He could say i was claiming Yoshistar, but as some pointed out, that has nothing to do with town or scum.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:47:57:
You guys think it's possible that Leone is acting on his character but is actually scum?

Orange's first post seemed clueless (see TvK's post above), but this doesn't indicate his alignment at all.



You are just repeating what Dan and TvK said, you are even referring to TvK's post to validate your post. One again you give TvK more power. I really hope you can stand by your statements, so no need to say someone else said it. You made a statement followed by "but this doesn't indicate his alignment at all". So what is the point of that statement?

Orange Slices wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:26:31:
I can assume 1 of 2 things:

1 - You are a Townie...


2 - You are a mafia...



Your didn't say anything here, unless you think he is somehow cleared of a possible neutral role?

DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:25:23:
Dude, Leone is 100% Yoshistar.  I don't see him faking it because he has done way more posting in this game already than all the other mafia/resistance games I've seen him play combined, which is to say that I normally see him as a lazy player and someone unlikely to do a lot of work trying to pull a fake claim like that off.  I also don't see him being coached to do it because the style he is trying to pull off is honestly really fucking annoying with the punctuation and probably more likely to get him lynched anyway.  I think a scum partner coaching him would be more likely to try to get him to fake being someone else, and honestly I think a scum partner would be more likely to just try to fake being someone else themselves instead of having Leone do it.


Why would he indicate it and then deny it, 1st part especially if he was scum?

TvK wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:44:42:
What if someone would have come in and put a 4th vote on me? How likely would you have estimated that one of those votes would have been from scum?

I don't really have a problem with people pointing out rules. I do have a problem with people trying to get cheap towncred by pointing out the rules. The border between the two is very thin.


I think first 3 were genuinely random and can come from anyone, 4th one would more likely be more serious. In case that 4th vote happened, i would have strated looking into that 4th vote person more.



1. John was the first who mentioned he was hinting at his character. I thought the same way but thought it wasn't a good idea to post (I explained this back then).
And yeah, I assumed Yoshistar would be a town role for some reason. Hinting at a role also seemed something mafia wouldn't be likely to do, I thought they would be more likely to fake claim... I'm not even sure what was my exact reasoning anymore. You and TvK have good reasons to suspect me for this, I guess I can deal with it...

2. Hey, I said that particular argument of his seemed valid. Like i said, TvK is unreadable on D1, so I won't trust him so easily. You may (or may not) see me disagreeing with him at some point.
Also, it's important to know what isn't alignment-indicating. My post contrasts with Dan's post shortly after, in which he scum-reads Orange. Also, I changed my mind, Orange's posts give me town vibes...
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #207 - 08/23/17 at 08:10:10  
Third #130:
Thiradell wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:24:37:
John has mostly talked about how we shouldn't be tunneling the meta too much, or how day 1 discussions can be pointless. Lots of posts and he seems to want other people to talk but he feels a bit weird so far

At least I *tried* to get more discussion (other than Leone's role) going in #119:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 19:13:56:
I know it's still early in D1, but it's odd that we're well past rvs and Third still has 2 votes on him despite not having made an appearance yet. One of those is TvK's from rvs, and the other is Sportsguy's (Tyler I think?) from his one (content-less) post.

TvK, why did you choose Third for your rvs vote, was it truly random or did you at least have a joke reason? Others, any thoughts on these 2 votes?

My main goal here was to try to stimulate a different discussion. I still don't like Sportsguy coming in and voting for you in his first post when we were well past rvs. The reasoning of "voting for someone unfamiliar" isn't good enough at that point in the game, imo. Also, why TvK *left* his rvs vote on you could be noteworthy too.

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johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 17:02:57:
Dan, I'm not convinced that Leone is YS. The multiple personality behavior, the "sir" usage, etc...I feel like for the moment, our efforts would be better utilized trying to get whatever actual *content* we can from his posts instead of trying to put together all the character traits.

TvK, I wasn't trying to gain towncred (and I don't expect any) for pointing out the majority rule for D1. I only pointed it out because it's different from the few most recent games here, and thought it was important enough to ensure that everyone else was aware. I also pulled my vote off of you for exactly the reason I gave in the post in which I did so - rvs was over, time to move into the real game.



Just wanna quote this here quick... why not look into Leone's character traits, obviously he's trying to point something out here. I'm not sure who it is but is it bad to say that his dedication to the role is giving me a town vibe? And why not look into both his traits and the info he's posting? Gotta use all the information right?

see my post #43:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:34:59:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:21:32:
DansGame wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:18:36:
Are you Yoshistar, Leone?


Uhm, why the fuck are you speculating about characters this early? It's not useful...
This is a bit suspicious...

Speculating about characters and determining alignment are 2 totally different aspects to deal with in this game (as Dan already mentioned). However, figuring out someone's character is still useful information, and the more info, the better.

I already said that both his character and his content are useful info - the issue is that there was so much time spent on his character when he was actually providing content and discussion points.
I said as much in #75 (the one you quoted).
Zoran also points out as much in #107:
no control wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:20:50:
I liked how Dan started role hunting, gave us some new info. At this point it is a bit weird, this obsession with you being YS 100%. I think he might be wrong about this.
Let's say Leone is Yoshistar. Why would he hint that as either mafia or jester? Further more, if he is town, why would he deny he is YS if he hinted it in the 1st place? It just doesn't add up.

and I had to bring it up again in #111:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/22/17 at 18:24:44:
Leone, I already mentioned earlier that we should be looking into your content (see my post #75). Personally, I agree (given that I posted it) - but I'm okay with Dan's attempt to get info in whatever way he thinks is best...the more info we fish out, the better.

Dan, I still don't think Leone has a YS role - aside from using the words "scumhunters" and "unite" in the same sentence, everything else points otherwise, unless I missed something else telling?

The point of all this being: yes, of course we want to get as much info as possible. However, a lot of posts were spent on figuring out Leone's character - which isn't *that* helpful in the long run, as it's not alignment indicative (pointed out by multiple people many times).
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Reply #208 - 08/23/17 at 08:19:32  
Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 05:13:29:
Read a couple pages.

I like Dan as town because of his searching for roles.  Some of yall think the complete opposite, but not me.  I actually like doing that because it brings more discussion.  I would do this in previous games and would draw the most suspicion even though i was town.  


Wont be back for a while.  Just had a nephew born.

I kind of addressed this just now (see #207). Starting a discussion and trying to gain info is great, we need all the info we can figure out - but it derailed everything else in the game. The key point is that the information he was fishing for (Leone's character) isn't alignment indicative anyway...
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Reply #209 - 08/23/17 at 08:23:55  
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 07:23:40:
I assumed Yoshistar would be a town role for some reason. Hinting at a role also seemed something mafia wouldn't be likely to do, I thought they would be more likely to fake claim... I'm not even sure what was my exact reasoning anymore.

Things like i did it because some reason and i'm not sure why i did it are pretty bad. You kind of explained that 2nd part, but could you give any more thoughts about assuming YS is town? Anything would be helpful really.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 07:23:40:
You and TvK have good reasons to suspect me for this, I guess I can deal with it...


You are validating your wagon, if you are town you should assume mafia is after you.


P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 04:51:58:
I actually think Leone has good points about Dan. Maf know every character and he's the first to mention one. Him insisting on it is just him defending himself smoothly after Leone suspected him and Shock revealed the missing info. I mean, he does rely on confirmation bias too much, not everything Leone writes is typical of YS. I don't care if Leone is trying to trigger confusion himself, Dan could just admit that his character isn't clear or just get on with real scum hunting.
He's the only one that gives me decent scum vibes so:
[vote]Dansgame[/vote]
One thing that leaves me uncomfortable though... he's the top poster by far, and usually they're town...


But I actually think Leone isn't pure town. There's no fucking reason for this extreme change in playstlye. Who would like to get in the spotlight so much? Someone who actually wants to get lynched (makes sense that such role is named "jester" lol).


So 1st you agree with Leone's points on Dan and vote Dan. After that you agree with Dan's points on Leone. Why would you believe anything your top scum read says on others?
As for the Dan vote, it looks to me like you are trying to tone down your vote against Dan with that top posters are likely town statement. If it feels uncomfortable you shouldn't vote.

Can we get a full list of your thoughts on everyone? I hope you can minimize referring to other people.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #210 - 08/23/17 at 08:25:42  
Sportsguy and the inactives

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:14:48:
I'm here.  

Whose thiradell?  

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I hope to play a little different than i usually do, but no promises.  I'm busy until tomorrow, but no work wed. or thurs. so i should be around.  

General pregame thought:  I don't really know many of these people playing.  

Edit: modified to make the bold work.


So he usually plays like this, very rare posts. He states he wants to play differently, but right after that he says he is busy until tomorrow (Wed)

Which brings us to wednesday...

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 05:13:29:
Read a couple pages.

I like Dan as town because of his searching for roles.  Some of yall think the complete opposite, but not me.  I actually like doing that because it brings more discussion.  I would do this in previous games and would draw the most suspicion even though i was town.  


Wont be back for a while.  Just had a nephew born.


Looks like something else came up, no more promises of activity.

Inactive players are bad for town. We pretty much don't get any info with this lynch, but if he keeps this up on D2 i would have no problem lynching him.

Same thing goes for Timur and B.Ray.
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Reply #211 - 08/23/17 at 08:33:09  
TvK wrote on 08/23/17 at 06:23:11:
no control wrote on 08/23/17 at 05:18:57:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:11:31:
I first thought Leone was hinting at his character so that, when he claimed it later on, he would be almost cleared. Dan's post would ruin this completely.

So what if Dan ruins Leone's plans? Does this mean you have had a town read on Leone at that point?


Thanks for pointing this out, Zoran, I think I had missed it until now. This souds A LOT like PAF somehow has a very strong feeling that Leone is in fact town. And which people in this game know the alignment of everyone in this game?

Wait what?? That's not what I thought - from Shock's #88, scum should only have the *names* of the characters, right? They also know who is town and who is third-party?
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Reply #212 - 08/23/17 at 08:39:59  
no control wrote on 08/23/17 at 08:23:55:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 07:23:40:
I assumed Yoshistar would be a town role for some reason. Hinting at a role also seemed something mafia wouldn't be likely to do, I thought they would be more likely to fake claim... I'm not even sure what was my exact reasoning anymore.

Things like i did it because some reason and i'm not sure why i did it are pretty bad. You kind of explained that 2nd part, but could you give any more thoughts about assuming YS is town? Anything would be helpful really.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 07:23:40:
You and TvK have good reasons to suspect me for this, I guess I can deal with it...


You are validating your wagon, if you are town you should assume mafia is after you.


P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 04:51:58:
I actually think Leone has good points about Dan. Maf know every character and he's the first to mention one. Him insisting on it is just him defending himself smoothly after Leone suspected him and Shock revealed the missing info. I mean, he does rely on confirmation bias too much, not everything Leone writes is typical of YS. I don't care if Leone is trying to trigger confusion himself, Dan could just admit that his character isn't clear or just get on with real scum hunting.
He's the only one that gives me decent scum vibes so:
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One thing that leaves me uncomfortable though... he's the top poster by far, and usually they're town...


But I actually think Leone isn't pure town. There's no fucking reason for this extreme change in playstlye. Who would like to get in the spotlight so much? Someone who actually wants to get lynched (makes sense that such role is named "jester" lol).


So 1st you agree with Leone's points on Dan and vote Dan. After that you agree with Dan's points on Leone. Why would you believe anything your top scum read says on others?
As for the Dan vote, it looks to me like you are trying to tone down your vote against Dan with that top posters are likely town statement. If it feels uncomfortable you shouldn't vote.

Can we get a full list of your thoughts on everyone? I hope you can minimize referring to other people.
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Reply #213 - 08/23/17 at 08:41:06  
(lol oops fuck I posted by accident, but yeah, I'm writing a reply to that post)
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Reply #214 - 08/23/17 at 08:49:00  
no control wrote on 08/23/17 at 08:23:55:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 07:23:40:
I assumed Yoshistar would be a town role for some reason. Hinting at a role also seemed something mafia wouldn't be likely to do, I thought they would be more likely to fake claim... I'm not even sure what was my exact reasoning anymore.

Things like i did it because some reason and i'm not sure why i did it are pretty bad. You kind of explained that 2nd part, but could you give any more thoughts about assuming YS is town? Anything would be helpful really.

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 07:23:40:
You and TvK have good reasons to suspect me for this, I guess I can deal with it...


You are validating your wagon, if you are town you should assume mafia is after you.


P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 04:51:58:
I actually think Leone has good points about Dan. Maf know every character and he's the first to mention one. Him insisting on it is just him defending himself smoothly after Leone suspected him and Shock revealed the missing info. I mean, he does rely on confirmation bias too much, not everything Leone writes is typical of YS. I don't care if Leone is trying to trigger confusion himself, Dan could just admit that his character isn't clear or just get on with real scum hunting.
He's the only one that gives me decent scum vibes so:
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One thing that leaves me uncomfortable though... he's the top poster by far, and usually they're town...


But I actually think Leone isn't pure town. There's no fucking reason for this extreme change in playstlye. Who would like to get in the spotlight so much? Someone who actually wants to get lynched (makes sense that such role is named "jester" lol).


So 1st you agree with Leone's points on Dan and vote Dan. After that you agree with Dan's points on Leone. Why would you believe anything your top scum read says on others?
As for the Dan vote, it looks to me like you are trying to tone down your vote against Dan with that top posters are likely town statement. If it feels uncomfortable you shouldn't vote.

Can we get a full list of your thoughts on everyone? I hope you can minimize referring to other people.


1. I know it's bad. I hesitated a bit to post that and decided to post because it's better than nothing.
Now, why did I assume YS=town? I guess I saw no reason for why he would be associated to scum. He's not even a mod or anything. I realized later this logic doesn't work at all.

2. More like, I was admitting my mistake. I wouldn't be amazed if both of you are town. But I also wouldn't be amazed if both of you are scum, you ARE quite unreadable.

3. I want to analyze the arguments themselves rather than who wrote them. I give no fucks that Dan is most likely scum because I don't see why would Leone be pure town or scum.
Also, "If it feels uncomfortable you shouldn't vote. " LOL pls. You prefer me to stay w/o vote?? There will always be a reason for me to be uncomfortable. But there are several reasons why Dan is my top scum read so I vote him.
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Reply #215 - 08/23/17 at 08:58:30  
Would like to comment about John. He isn't digging hard like TvK or Zoran, he barely asks anyone questions actually, but he arguments about several subjects so he seems to care about finding scum. He discussed a bit about Leone's character, but only as a reply to Dan and he admits Dan took it too seriously.
If I recall correctly, he played similar in his past games.
He could very well do all of this as scum but I have a slight town lean on him.
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Reply #216 - 08/23/17 at 09:07:44  
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 08:49:00:
3. I want to analyze the arguments themselves rather than who wrote them. I give no fucks that Dan is most likely scum because I don't see why would Leone be pure town or scum.
Also, "If it feels uncomfortable you shouldn't vote. " LOL pls. You prefer me to stay w/o vote?? There will always be a reason for me to be uncomfortable. But there are several reasons why Dan is my top scum read so I vote him.


I prefer you trust your reads, go with them and stand by them. Trying to justify your vote in such a way is what i don't like. You say that there will always be a reason for to to be uncomfortable. Ok, but i don't see the need to point that out after a vote.

I see you just wrote something about John.

Anything about TYG?
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Reply #217 - 08/23/17 at 09:08:00  
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/23/17 at 08:33:09:
TvK wrote on 08/23/17 at 06:23:11:
no control wrote on 08/23/17 at 05:18:57:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:11:31:
I first thought Leone was hinting at his character so that, when he claimed it later on, he would be almost cleared. Dan's post would ruin this completely.

So what if Dan ruins Leone's plans? Does this mean you have had a town read on Leone at that point?


Thanks for pointing this out, Zoran, I think I had missed it until now. This souds A LOT like PAF somehow has a very strong feeling that Leone is in fact town. And which people in this game know the alignment of everyone in this game?

Wait what?? That's not what I thought - from Shock's #88, scum should only have the *names* of the characters, right? They also know who is town and who is third-party?


Well Shock's OP says that 2 factions take eachother on in this game. We have never played a game with a 3rd party on this forum, not even when there were more people playing. This game has only 12 players in it. I can't see any reason why I should be assuming that there are more than 2 factions in this game.
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Reply #218 - 08/23/17 at 09:14:30  
PAF, who else are you going to call unreadable? And what exactly do you mean by that? Does that mean you are going to assume Zoran and I both are town for now and you hope that night actions will give you more claritity to our alignment? Do you think our posts look townish but your paranoia prevents you from clearing us? I must say, it's a pretty easy way to skip over someone and leave them be for later. What does it tell you that both of us are voting you right now? What do you think of the people that have come in and that haven't said anything about the votes on you?
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Reply #219 - 08/23/17 at 09:18:52  
TvK wrote on 08/23/17 at 09:08:00:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/23/17 at 08:33:09:
TvK wrote on 08/23/17 at 06:23:11:
no control wrote on 08/23/17 at 05:18:57:
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:11:31:
I first thought Leone was hinting at his character so that, when he claimed it later on, he would be almost cleared. Dan's post would ruin this completely.

So what if Dan ruins Leone's plans? Does this mean you have had a town read on Leone at that point?


Thanks for pointing this out, Zoran, I think I had missed it until now. This souds A LOT like PAF somehow has a very strong feeling that Leone is in fact town. And which people in this game know the alignment of everyone in this game?

Wait what?? That's not what I thought - from Shock's #88, scum should only have the *names* of the characters, right? They also know who is town and who is third-party?


Well Shock's OP says that 2 factions take eachother on in this game. We have never played a game with a 3rd party on this forum, not even when there were more people playing. This game has only 12 players in it. I can't see any reason why I should be assuming that there are more than 2 factions in this game.

Have you actually read the OP?
Shock wrote on 08/13/17 at 19:06:23:
In this game, 2 (main) factions – the Town and the Mafia – face off and attempt to eliminate the members of the other faction. The Town members have the majority for most of the game, but they do not know the alignment of the other players. The Mafia, while in the minority, do know their teammates. Information availability is central in this game – and your ability to convince other members that you are Townie. There will be players with a neutral role in the game with separate win conditions. I'm not saying what those conditions are or how many neutral-faction players there are; Town still starts with a strong majority is the only thing I will guarantee.

That bolding isn't mine, it's Shock's. There are neutral parties in this game - as far as I'm aware (based on Shock's #88), the scum shouldn't know who is town and who is neutral?
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Reply #220 - 08/23/17 at 09:30:20  
Orange

His 1st post really is the only one which had some value. He backed of immidiately after 1 post from TvK. Slight maf lean, would like to see some content from you Orange. Could you make a list with your opinion on everyone?

Third

His 1st post had the most content, nothing ground breaking. Would like to see more activity before eod. No lean on any side.

TyG

Looks to me like he is following Dan's thought process all the way. Had some back and forth with Leone which makes have a slight town lean on him. I think that is too brave for a maf TYG.


I have to go more into Tvk and John, but i like their activity right now.
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Reply #221 - 08/23/17 at 09:58:11  
Clarification: if/when the Mafia choose to kill at Night, they pick from in-game players, not from the list of forum characters.
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Reply #222 - 08/23/17 at 10:06:55  
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Have you actually read the OP?
Shock wrote on 08/13/17 at 19:06:23:
In this game, 2 (main) factions – the Town and the Mafia – face off and attempt to eliminate the members of the other faction. The Town members have the majority for most of the game, but they do not know the alignment of the other players. The Mafia, while in the minority, do know their teammates. Information availability is central in this game – and your ability to convince other members that you are Townie. There will be players with a neutral role in the game with separate win conditions. I'm not saying what those conditions are or how many neutral-faction players there are; Town still starts with a strong majority is the only thing I will guarantee.

That bolding isn't mine, it's Shock's. There are neutral parties in this game - as far as I'm aware (based on Shock's #88), the scum shouldn't know who is town and who is neutral?


Welp, I derped out there. Never mind what I said.
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Reply #223 - 08/23/17 at 10:08:07  
no control wrote on 08/23/17 at 08:25:42:
Sportsguy and the inactives

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:14:48:
I'm here.  

Whose thiradell?  

[vote]thiradell[/vote]
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I hope to play a little different than i usually do, but no promises.  I'm busy until tomorrow, but no work wed. or thurs. so i should be around.  

General pregame thought:  I don't really know many of these people playing.  

Edit: modified to make the bold work.


So he usually plays like this, very rare posts. He states he wants to play differently, but right after that he says he is busy until tomorrow (Wed)

Which brings us to wednesday...

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/23/17 at 05:13:29:
Read a couple pages.

I like Dan as town because of his searching for roles.  Some of yall think the complete opposite, but not me.  I actually like doing that because it brings more discussion.  I would do this in previous games and would draw the most suspicion even though i was town.  


Wont be back for a while.  Just had a nephew born.


Looks like something else came up, no more promises of activity.

Inactive players are bad for town. We pretty much don't get any info with this lynch, but if he keeps this up on D2 i would have no problem lynching him.

Same thing goes for Timur and B.Ray.


Literally when i was typing i got a text that my sister just had a baby so i hit post and left to go to the hospital and i finally got back.  

Just read this page looking for my name.  Going back to read what i couldn't earlier.  
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Reply #224 - 08/23/17 at 10:29:30  
TvK wrote on 08/23/17 at 04:08:36:
From one point, I understand what Thiradell is trying to say about Day 1 being Day 1 and the fact that he doesn't want to explain his reads too much. But the biggest part of me does not agree with this. There are 48 hours in Day 1. Are we already going to settle for "we probably aren't going to lynch scum"?


no, that's not what I said.

TvK posting twice just now to say "neutrals? why?" before "oh yeah, neutrals" looks like a town member to me. These posts are 100% fake if he's wolf/neutral himself and it seems pretty unlikely that he would do that. I looked at the rest of his posts...I think TYG was referring to your super early day 1 stuff when he said you meme posted.
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