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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 1
Reply #175 - 08/22/17 at 22:45:11
 
these are gonna be out of order cuz fuck it sorry in advance  Smiley

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Wow Leone #121 calling out Dan again.... obviously if you're gonna play in role Leone someone's gonna analyze it... I know you know that and it's throwing me off...


maybe I'm not actually playing a role and im just presenting myselves as insane for no reason??? Shocked

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Your opinion on Dan anslyzing you changed. Why? Is it because you think Dan toom the bait as maf? I think it's possible, I think Dan could play as maf this good.


to the 'attitude change', it turned into an obsession for dan as far as I can tell, he got sidetracked on me and this wasted time we coulda been scumhunting.

ofc though, Dan would want exactly that, not saying it's evidence, just that it logically follows.

ALSO I WANT YOU TO COMMENT ON THE FOLLOWING: Shock made a post clarifying that ONLY mafia know the Names of the game's roles. Dan's 100% conviction that Yoshistar as a role exists and that I must fit ONLY that role (not pobre, not harvey, etc etc) looks to me like a gargantuan, multi-page slip. Thoughts?????????

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Leone's #121 especially makes me think he could be jester...


mind elaborating? <3

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Dan's wagon post just didn't seem to be pointing fingers as much as Orange's did...


fair enough

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I'm mostlt just confused by your first comment here lol


not sure which you mean?

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Leone #124 he mentions maybe he just has a lot of free time. He also mentioned he had been awake for 39 hours straight earlier. Not sure what to think but there's definitely an inconsistency here...


wat?

you do realize you can have fucktons of free time and stay up 39 hrs as a result, yea?

I eagerly await your response good sir!!!!11! <3 <3
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Reply #176 - 08/22/17 at 22:45:33
 
It'd be really interesting if Leome's entire act here is an insane bait and he is messing with the meta. Idk just a fun thought. Anyway I'm caught up now, I'll try to post at better times tomorrow but anyway I work in 7 hours and haven't slept.... so gn.
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Reply #177 - 08/22/17 at 22:45:44
 
POSTIUS APPEARIUS!!!!!!!!!!!`11!!111111!!!
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Reply #178 - 08/22/17 at 22:46:41
 
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Reply #179 - 08/22/17 at 22:48:01
 
just comment on the thing I put in bold before you go ples!?!!  Smiley
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Reply #180 - 08/22/17 at 22:48:22
 
^put in caps I mean. In caps.
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Reply #181 - 08/22/17 at 22:52:24
 
Okay, I'll address these first. As far as Shock's post I meant to comment about that. I think the theory of a multi page slip is interesting and possible, but Dan makes a good point that Yoshistar is a well known meme and memer on the forum so idk.

The confusion was about your one comment about the triggering and safe spaces, not sure if it's supposed to be part of a character... just doesn't seem to accomplish anything and it's confusing.

Just saying maybe some of that free time could be spent sleeping when you're up for that long lol
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Reply #182 - 08/22/17 at 23:03:51
 
a marvelously, stupendously excellent point, tyg sir! I do need sleep, and that will happen soon actually!

and for the third time, regarding my safespace comment, sarcasm is dead it now seems so cheers yet again to that or w/e  Smiley

as for the dan thing, ofc the ys = meme thing would be his first defense, and perhaps a strong one but if a more fitting role exists in the game, or atleast if other roles that might fit me exist, wouldn't Dan be less dogmatic about my role having to be ys and try to critically examine other possibly existing roles?

and further, he's smart, he should be aware that, as andy said, you don't HAVE to play a character, and he's refused to consider the implications that come along with the possibility that I'm just insane  Cheesy

he's up there with paf atm... fuckin scum

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Thoughts on Dan's conviction that YS as a role MUST exist and apparently it's the ONLY role my insanity fits???????????????? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A MASSIVE SLIP TO ME.
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unless one of u faggots replies again im going to sleep, so laters and gn and all that bs <3
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Reply #183 - 08/22/17 at 23:18:23
 
oh, uhm actually, 1 more thing before i pass out:

I am happy to inform you, the voices and I have reached a consensus!!!!!!!  Shocked

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Dan has tunneled me almost all day with a 100% suspicion of a character he's convinced exists and is forcing, against contradictory evidence, to fit my playstyle. He claims 'ys is a huge meme so it should exist as a character' as his defense, but this feels like a post-hoc rationalization after Sir Sock III illuminated the fact that ONLY maf know the names of the characters in-game!!!!!! Surely, if other roles COULD exist in this game which MIGHT fit my insanity, he would have considered them as options, and would've been less dogmatic about me=YS, no??? Maf know 100% what roles exist, so there's no question for them as to whether a given character role happens to be in the game. Further, Dan tunneling my identity wastes an enormous amount of time which could be used scumhunting... a secondary goal???

PAF looks scummy to me but Dan looks more scummy to me rn. simple as that. Smiley

Now, Let's see how people react to this exciting little development, shall we??!?!!??!.....  Shocked

CUE THE RATIONALIZATIONS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!!!!!!  Cheesy

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Reply #184 - 08/23/17 at 00:33:26
 
LewisRichards wrote on 08/22/17 at 21:29:29:
Jeeez not liking Orange's first post of the game. Just a really weird useless observation that he's looking to deep into.... not sure if that means anything... I'll try and decide when I'm done reading everything.


My useless observation, which may or may not be useless, was my first way of reading into a post so early on in the game. Though proven otherwise, at the time it seemed like the logical thing to do.
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Reply #185 - 08/23/17 at 00:45:42
 
Thiradell wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:24:37:
Hi guys.  Smiley

Has Orange played before? He came across as scummy in almost every post, too much justification and not enough reads. Could just be his style but I like Dan's vote on him


The reason I've come across as scummy is due to my unnecessary attention to detail when trying to accumulate evidence from just one post earlier on in the day. I wouldn't go as far to say it's my style though.
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Reply #186 - 08/23/17 at 02:13:11
 
Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 21:59:30:
DAN!!!

for content reasons:

why I look like jester to you & not like harmless innocent yet unhinged townie? :')


Because of how different your play has been this game compared to other games, yes I've only played 2 or so games with you (btw I also filled in for you in a resistance game where you made little effort and then disappeared) but again I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that your posting style and amount of content is not just different this game, but absurdly so, more of a change than I've ever seen anyone else make.  I would also like to point out that you were scum in at least one of these games (in the resistance game I filled in for you) and town in at least one of these games, and again you were very inactive as both alignments.

The change in style to me this game to a care-free style with nonsense sounding posts where you post a whole lot more than you normally do makes you seem you have a reason to want to get lynched.  I felt like you throwing a lot of scum on PAF in the beginning and then saying that you actually thought he was town instead was a way for you to try to get yourself scum read.  It did at least accomplish TvK having negative feelings about your posts.  To be honest though as annoying as your posts sound I think most of your reads are decent and I can understand your scum read on me as well, which makes you sound like more of an angel or just town than a jester, but either way I never want to lynch you this game unless it comes down to a final 3 or for some reason we have a sure cop check.
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Reply #187 - 08/23/17 at 02:24:00
 
Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 23:18:23:
Further, Dan tunneling my identity wastes an enormous amount of time which could be used scumhunting... a secondary goal???


What I think people miss here sometimes is that while scumhunting is important, gamesolving is just as important.  I can solve a mafia game by figuring out who the mafia are, but I can also solve a mafia game by figuring out who all the town/3rd party roles are.  If I have strong reasons to feel like someone is not mafia, as I strongly feel for you in this case, I'm going to come out with them because I think that helps us move the game forward and decide on better lynches who are more likely to be mafia.  Right now I almost certainly feel you are NOT mafia and this makes the odds better of lynching mafia if I can come up with conclusions about this based on evidence.

I know this is WIFOM-ey to say but I also don't like the suggestion that I am wasting an "enormous amount of time" when at different points in this day no one has been posting and I've tried to stir some conversation by saying things.
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Reply #188 - 08/23/17 at 02:49:29
 
Reads so far -
Leone - town/jester/angel - don't lynch
Orange - not much to go off of but his opening post seemed very mafia to me
PAF - I liked him early on but I reeeeaallyyyyy didn't like post 68 by him, both for his feelings on Leone being scum (highly unlikely IMO) and his reaction to Orange's first post
John - town lean, I like the tone of his posts so far and the way he has played D1 in general
Zoran - very slight town lean, not much to go off of
TvK - neutral lean, if Orange were lynched and flipped scum I'd feel a lot better about TvK being town
TYG - I liked his thoughts that he posted as he was reading through the game, they felt natural to me and not forced.  He reacted to a lot of things that happened earlier in the day and he was mostly doing so all at once, his progression of how he felt seemed like it had a towny flow.
Third - fairly neutral so far
Sportsguy - essentially null
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Reply #189 - 08/23/17 at 04:08:36
 
I just read up on the thread. TYG hasn't posted anything to make me think that he's town at this point. Neither has Thiradell. At first I could see a little bit of what Leone was saying about Dan being fixated on him being Yoshistar. But then again, it actually is Leone who is constantly coming back to the issue by posting things which makes people speculate about his identity. Once again reading through the posts has been very hard because of Leone's posting style.

I much rather would want to switch the spotlight from Leone and Dan to some other people that have only casually commented on the and haven't received too much attention so far. From one point, I understand what Thiradell is trying to say about Day 1 being Day 1 and the fact that he doesn't want to explain his reads too much. But the biggest part of me does not agree with this. There are 48 hours in Day 1. Are we already going to settle for "we probably aren't going to lynch scum"? I definitely won't. And if you don't have enough leads to follow, then start asking questions about every post made. Saying this, I do like your vote on Sportsguy.
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Reply #190 - 08/23/17 at 04:10:49
 
LewisRichards wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:58:54:
Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 15:07:11:
Oh also hi TYG! I see you on but not posting yet, please do join this lovely party we're having! My super-duper radar of truthiness spots online-but-not-posting folk, check it out on the Mario Kart MB™'s front page!


Hey, was just at a poker game. Opened up my phone browser earlier, to check something... I'm done the poker game though and ready to post... really confused on why you called this out though, not sure what to think of it. It just seems like a really odd thing to call out. Just reading through all this now, and obviously I have to respond to that... I also thought Dan calling out TvK on the meme post was weird right after he made his own and then TvK said he didn't like meme posts even though he did his own. Super weird game but pretty standard for D1 I guess??? Idk reading more now sorry about that.


Where did I make a meme post? I thought my post was specifically designed to get us past the meme phase as quickly as possible? And can you explain the "weird" in Dan calling me out? Weird is not something I can lynch. Does that make you just confused, or does it make it more likely for him to be scum?
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Reply #191 - 08/23/17 at 04:17:36
 
Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 23:18:23:
Dan has tunneled me almost all day with a 100% suspicion of a character he's convinced exists and is forcing, against contradictory evidence, to fit my playstyle. He claims 'ys is a huge meme so it should exist as a character' as his defense, but this feels like a post-hoc rationalization after Sir Sock III illuminated the fact that ONLY maf know the names of the characters in-game!!!!!! Surely, if other roles COULD exist in this game which MIGHT fit my insanity, he would have considered them as options, and would've been less dogmatic about me=YS, no??? Maf know 100% what roles exist, so there's no question for them as to whether a given character role happens to be in the game. Further, Dan tunneling my identity wastes an enormous amount of time which could be used scumhunting... a secondary goal???


Well, I probably haven't interacted as much with Yoshistar as Dan has, but I've played more than a couple of mafia games with him and I can't see you being him. I could see you being Pobre, like John said, and this post makes you look more like being VAJ. There are a lot people I can see in your posting style. The fact that Dan is fixated on you being Yoshistar gives me a small town lean on him, just because he is too narrow-minded to fit you into any of the other roles. And once again, you cause a lot of that tunnelling yourself.

Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 23:18:23:
PAF looks scummy to me but Dan looks more scummy to me rn. simple as that. [smiley=bath.gif


Wow, how did you end up back here? I thought the last time you talked about PAF, you had decided that he was clueless town. What if PAF follows you onto Dan, does that make him more likely to be town or mafia? What if he switches his attention to something else?
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Reply #192 - 08/23/17 at 04:21:05
 
Orange Slices wrote on 08/23/17 at 00:33:26:
LewisRichards wrote on 08/22/17 at 21:29:29:
Jeeez not liking Orange's first post of the game. Just a really weird useless observation that he's looking to deep into.... not sure if that means anything... I'll try and decide when I'm done reading everything.


My useless observation, which may or may not be useless, was my first way of reading into a post so early on in the game. Though proven otherwise, at the time it seemed like the logical thing to do.


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Thiradell wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:24:37:
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Has Orange played before? He came across as scummy in almost every post, too much justification and not enough reads. Could just be his style but I like Dan's vote on him


The reason I've come across as scummy is due to my unnecessary attention to detail when trying to accumulate evidence from just one post earlier on in the day. I wouldn't go as far to say it's my style though.


It's a good thing that you are at least posting in this game, but I've got a lot of questions for you. First of all, the only thing you pointd out yourself was my post on the first page in your first post. Every other post you made were reactions to people talking to you. So, is there no other post so far that has caught your eye? Has nobody said anything close to scummy? If you are able to dissect a one-liner on the first page, I would at least expect you to comment on any of Leone or Dan's posts. What do you think of the people that have posted but not really said anything? Does my explanation in response to your first post make you think I'm town or mafia? And if you had to use your vote right now, who would you use it on?
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Reply #193 - 08/23/17 at 04:22:30
 
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Reply #194 - 08/23/17 at 04:51:58
 
I actually think Leone has good points about Dan. Maf know every character and he's the first to mention one. Him insisting on it is just him defending himself smoothly after Leone suspected him and Shock revealed the missing info. I mean, he does rely on confirmation bias too much, not everything Leone writes is typical of YS. I don't care if Leone is trying to trigger confusion himself, Dan could just admit that his character isn't clear or just get on with real scum hunting.
He's the only one that gives me decent scum vibes so:
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One thing that leaves me uncomfortable though... he's the top poster by far, and usually they're town...


But I actually think Leone isn't pure town. There's no fucking reason for this extreme change in playstlye. Who would like to get in the spotlight so much? Someone who actually wants to get lynched (makes sense that such role is named "jester" lol). Him building up suspicion on me and then giving arguments on me being noob town is also angel/jester-like. I actually find it more likely that he's angel (townie who wants to get lynched D1 but is vanilla for the rest of the game), he does seem to try to scum hunt. Anyway, don't lynch him.

Just wanted to comment on the main discussions that occured when I was asleep. Now it's time to focus on everyone else...
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Reply #195 - 08/23/17 at 05:04:24
 
P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/23/17 at 04:51:58:
I don't care if Leone is trying to trigger confusion himself, Dan could just admit that his character isn't clear

The thing is, I do think his character is clear, why would I "admit" that it isn't? Again see posts 113 and 117 to see why I feel this way. There's way more stuff that connects him to YS than Harvey and as far as I can see the only thing that fits him with Pobre is that he posts a lot of confusing stuff but I think that fits more YS fluff plus there is so much more evidence. I also think Shock is way more likely to use recent meme posters than older ones for roles in a game like this.

I'm trying to use evidence to gamesolve. Anyone who has seen me play knows I do this. Thing is there is usually not a lot of "real" evidence on D1 so when I find something on D1 that I actually consider evidence, I'm going to put a high priority on that.

Either way it doesn't really matter as long as we are all on board with not lynching Leone today and we remain suspicious of the jester possibility the whole game.
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Reply #196 - 08/23/17 at 05:13:29
 
Read a couple pages.

I like Dan as town because of his searching for roles.  Some of yall think the complete opposite, but not me.  I actually like doing that because it brings more discussion.  I would do this in previous games and would draw the most suspicion even though i was town.  


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Reply #197 - 08/23/17 at 05:15:34
 
I really think Orange is noob town. Is defense makes sense, this is what someone would do if they were trying hard to scumhunt but aren't smart enough to read people as easily as most other, so they get picky. I sort of do this myself, although not on his level.

I'm get small scum vibes from Thiradell since his reads aren't deep and he excuses with "this is early D1". There's no real problem with posting reads which would end up irrelevant later on IMO. Also he mostly contributes to the Leone-Dan ongoing discussion........... meh he's pretty neutral. Also need to check his claim about his play style. He played in this MB back in 2011, maybe I should reread...
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Reply #198 - 08/23/17 at 05:18:57
 
So i read everything up until end of page 5 carefully. I wanted to post my opinions once i read everything, but i feel this might take too long since people are posting:

So far my biggest scum lean if PAF

i would like some answers on #83

In addition to that:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 08/22/17 at 16:11:31:
I first thought Leone was hinting at his character so that, when he claimed it later on, he would be almost cleared. Dan's post would ruin this completely.

So what if Dan ruins Leone's plans? Does this mean you have had a town read on Leone at that point?

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Reply #199 - 08/23/17 at 05:23:24
 
Answering Leone's questions and elaborating on my PAF suspicion:

Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:54:20:
oooooo boi we got us a 9 on the irony meter!!!! Zoran fresh kind good fair sir, you said this explanation looks weird? I must say, dear friend, this in itself looks weird, because you fail to explain WHY the post is weird!!!11??? Huh Shocked ELABORATE PLES!!?!?!!


It was ironic. If you feel someone will not feel the pressure, i don't see the point for applying the pressure. You want to put others in unconfitable position and see how they react, if he believes TvK wouldn't feel the pressure, then why search for the raction.



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Ok but why? I get burden of proof goes the other way but again this sort of low-substance post is uncharacteristic...  Huh



I also thought about unvoting TvK and it didn't had anything to do with TvK's comment. I think John just had the same thought process as i did at that point.

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At what point did you first thought Leone was hinting at his character? TBH, i didn't see it until Dan mentioned it.


Does this affect whether YOU think this was the case though????!?!?!? !1`  Shocked



No it does not.

Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:54:20:
"You are giving TVK more power", whaddya mean by that???


1st he said Tvk is unreadable and that he won't lynch him and now he is just validating his own posts with TvK's. I think it is extremely dangerous when people group up behind someone. Let's say TvK is mafia and 3 people follow him like that who are town. This gives extreme power to TvK.

Leone wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:54:20:
#107 looks like yer just agreeing with my concern over Dan's obsession, but moreso, you didn't actually address the question, which was about my seeing Dan as being vocal about being vocal, UNPROVOKED, to come off as inno

Other that these tho, you've put in no content so far!! WHAT SAY YE????????



I was not sure at that point what to think about the conversation between you and Dan so i tried to find reason why would both of you do what the other one was claiming. That #107 question still stands and i would really like an answer to that. More on Dan in my next post.

I stayed up until 4 last night, just had no strength to do any points at that time. Also, my biggest scum read went to bed earlier.

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