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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 3
Reply #1625 - 08/30/17 at 10:29:21  
Are you guys kidding me?

In what world has TYG upped his play?? He played like dipshit D1 and D2 and now because he keeps posting "believe Dan and lynch Zoran and John"  and " I wanna throw this game cause everyone annoys me" you think he's Town for that?????

I don't even know what I'm supposed to answer to that...
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Reply #1626 - 08/30/17 at 10:40:15  
Zwiebel wrote on 08/30/17 at 10:29:21:
Are you guys kidding me?

In what world has TYG upped his play?? He played like dipshit D1 and D2 and now because he keeps posting "believe Dan and lynch Zoran and John"  and " I wanna throw this game cause everyone annoys me" you think he's Town for that?????

I don't even know what I'm supposed to answer to that...



His D1 and D2 were terrible, his D3 isn't and of all days you choose today.  Let's say you really think John / sportsguy should be avoided. Why choose Tyg over orange? Orange looks 10 times worse.
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Reply #1627 - 08/30/17 at 11:12:09  
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 00:52:22:
I will be here eod and for the most part of day.  I might get away for 3-4 hours, not sure when yet if i do, but i will be here at least 3 hours before eod in any case.

And let's do some discussing.

Can everyone post if they will be here eod?

Can everyone post their interpretation of what evil town is?  (i would prefer answers like " I think he is this and that" over "could he be that?")

Can everyone post their interpretation what happened on N1 and N2?

I have my interpretation prepared, but i don't want to see people sheep on that. I would like to see some of your own opinions.


I will be here for EoD

Evil Town imo is either a maf member that shows up Town when scanned or some sort of third party, probably Serial Killer.

I think Serial Killer is more likely because we actually have evidence that such a role probably exists this game (2 kills N1 and a day kill, vig has not claimed any shot, so I believe one of those has to be the work of a SK or a role that is similiar to SK).


I think I already explained earlier what I think happened in N1 and 2, but I guess I can reiterate

N1 Dan got killed TvK probably attacked

I assume that Maf tried to kill TvK and failed and Dan got killed by an SK

It is possible that one of those could've been a Maf extra shot, but why would they waste that shot early, and why one kill on Dan? Dan looked to be an easy target D2.

Those as well as the fact that no one claimed the kill on TvK/Dan makes me believe that one attempted kill that night was maf(probably TvK) and the other one was from an SK(probably Dan).


N2 no one got killed, Dan got resurrected. Orange "saw death".

It is hard to say what happened that night, one could say that it makes it more unlikely that a SK role exists, however the possibility of one person being healed and the other kill being roleblocked is a possibility, OR we believe Orange's claim and then one kill got roleblocked/saved and the kill on him got saved with his power.

However, seeing that shock seems to mention assassination attempts on people in his Day opening posts, I'm not sure. Because if there were 2 attempted kills that night, why didn't he mention both? I could see him mentioning doc saves but not roleblock saves.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 3
Reply #1628 - 08/30/17 at 11:12:41  
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 00:52:22:
Can everyone post if they will be here eod?

I should be.

no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 00:52:22:
Can everyone post their interpretation of what evil town is?  (i would prefer answers like " I think he is this and that" over "could he be that?")

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Leone wrote on 08/29/17 at 13:24:51:
just got back, catching up now.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/29/17 at 06:04:01:
Lol, Third got modkilled while I wrote that post.

I guess Evil Town is some sort of Third party? Could be something like a serial killer? I guess that either the Day shot or one of the shots from N1 is his doing, but I feel like the Day shot on Dan is more likely Maf just because he was a confirmed Townie, why would a Third party kill him on the day? Unless he shared his winning condition with maf.


I would guess evil town is maf-aligned who dont know their scumbuddies?

This is my guess too - that Third was essentially a townie whose win condition was "maf win" or something?

Like, he'd show up as townie on scans, he does not know who his scumbuddies are (and they don't know who he is)? Never heard of this before, just what I'm guessing by the fact that "town" is in the role name but it's in red text (maf aligned).


no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 00:52:22:
Can everyone post their interpretation what happened on N1 and N2?

At this point, I think N1 attacks most likely both came from scum, even though it seems stupid that they'd try to get both Dan *and* TvK, players very likely to draw protection. N2, I still don't see why maf would attack Orange - why use a nightkill on someone who has been scumread most of the game by many players? This makes me think the attack on Orange came from town/neutral, and that I successfully blocked the mafia attack by roleblocking Sportsguy.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 3
Reply #1629 - 08/30/17 at 11:14:51  
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 10:40:15:
Zwiebel wrote on 08/30/17 at 10:29:21:
Are you guys kidding me?

In what world has TYG upped his play?? He played like dipshit D1 and D2 and now because he keeps posting "believe Dan and lynch Zoran and John"  and " I wanna throw this game cause everyone annoys me" you think he's Town for that?????

I don't even know what I'm supposed to answer to that...



His D1 and D2 were terrible, his D3 isn't and of all days you choose today.  Let's say you really think John / sportsguy should be avoided. Why choose Tyg over orange? Orange looks 10 times worse.


Tell me why his D3 isn't terrible. The only reason for that is that he started posting...and literally his only argument is that Dan told us to lynch John and Zoran and then he got killed off.

I think he wants this game to end today and that's why he started posting so frequently all of a sudden. How does Orange look 10 times worse than that?
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Reply #1630 - 08/30/17 at 11:17:41  
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 11:12:41:
At this point, I think N1 attacks most likely both came from scum, even though it seems stupid that they'd try to get both Dan *and* TvK, players very likely to draw protection. N2, I still don't see why maf would attack Orange - why use a nightkill on someone who has been scumread most of the game by many players? This makes me think the attack on Orange came from town/neutral, and that I successfully blocked the mafia attack by roleblocking Sportsguy.


If there were 2 attacks from maf on N1, why would there be just 1 on N2?
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Reply #1631 - 08/30/17 at 11:22:46  
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 11:17:41:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 11:12:41:
At this point, I think N1 attacks most likely both came from scum, even though it seems stupid that they'd try to get both Dan *and* TvK, players very likely to draw protection. N2, I still don't see why maf would attack Orange - why use a nightkill on someone who has been scumread most of the game by many players? This makes me think the attack on Orange came from town/neutral, and that I successfully blocked the mafia attack by roleblocking Sportsguy.


If there were 2 attacks from maf on N1, why would there be just 1 on N2?


I'd find it hard to believe that maf have multiple kill abilities *every night* - that would be imbalanced as shit. It could be something as simple as odd/even vig for maf/town respectively, it could be something else, I don't know...but either way, if mafia can attempt multiple night kills every night, I don't see how that would be balanced out.
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Reply #1632 - 08/30/17 at 11:26:32  
My thoughts on Sportsguy, i think he should be the lynch today.


Worst vote of this game, especially since he didn't explain it at all.

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/26/17 at 16:47:12:
[vote]No control[/vote]

You are my biggest mafia suspect based on your first post on D2.  And it seems you are going after me more than some others in this game.

I may be back in the morning before i go to work, but I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR EOD.  i get off work right when the day ends and can't check it from there.  I work every other wknd, so it was bad timing for me.  I'm voting for who i think has the best chance of being mafia.  




His only reads in this entire game were from D1:

Sportsguy001 wrote on 08/24/17 at 08:50:51:
Heavy town:  Dan, Leone
Slightly town: tvk, john
either way: no control, zwiebel
slightly mafia: PAF, tyg, thiradell
Dont know where to put b. ray and orange




Avoided eod2 and 3, eod 1 waited for everyone to vote before he made a decision.

Refused to answer most questions.

I can't say much more since there is nothing in his total 48 posts.
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Reply #1633 - 08/30/17 at 11:34:13  
I will say this one more time

USING OUR LYNCH TODAY ON SPORTSGUY OR JOHN IS STUPID BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THEM IS TOWN

There is certainly a high reward if one of them is Maf and we lynch right, because the other one is cleared from that. But there's also a very high risk that we lose this game if we mislynch.

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Reply #1634 - 08/30/17 at 11:35:36  
My thoughts on Orange:

His only reads of the game:

D1

Orange Slices wrote on 08/23/17 at 17:03:52:
I haven't been able to get reads on everybody but this is what I've got so far:

TvK - My strongest Town lean. Responds quickly and is very analytical. Questions people without being aggressive or intrusive. Knows people inside and out

PAF - Moderate town lean. It's difficult to tell and very few of his posts are "scummy", so it's unlikely he'd be maf.

No Control - Neutral.

MKDS - Town Jester. MKDS has a tendency to use smileys a lot in his posts.

I'll post my maf reads later today. I'm at school right now and don't have the time to search through yet.



Let's repeat this:

Orange Slices wrote on 08/29/17 at 02:38:28:
I absolutely believe he wants to help the town. Leone's the only person (I'm pretty sure), to have made full walls on several people.



This is absolutely insane. He fake claimed cop and got one of the strongest townies voted off.

Orange Slices wrote on 08/30/17 at 02:45:55:
Well we know that TvK got attacked, so that's one thing. I think Shock referring to the healing as " a horrendous job of patching up", could imply that whoever has a healing ability (B.Ray does not count as his is resurrection), only just scraped into the deadline for night actions. This could be why there was a mess of bandages; [player] was in a rush to heal him in time. I cancel out these candidates for who healed him:

PAF
Dan
B.Ray
Myself
TvK (no shit).

I'm just picking straws here, but my guess is that TYG would have healed him. None of what I've said supports this, although, near EoD, TYG he never expressed any opinion on TvK, as the mess of bandages could also imply a healing by somebody who didn't have a high/absolute town reading of TvK at the time. Any thoughts on who else could have healed him?



Then he goes into this doctor talk looking for info, terrible.

D1 counter wagon to 3 townies, day 2 counter wagon to 2 townies.

Nothing more i can say since he wasn't here at all. Immediately followed Leone's vote on me.
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Reply #1635 - 08/30/17 at 11:48:32  
Zwiebel wrote on 08/30/17 at 11:14:51:
I think he wants this game to end today and that's why he started posting so frequently all of a sudden. How does Orange look 10 times worse than that?


I posted the stuff about Orange in my latest post.

As for Tyg i really liked this post from him yesterday:

[quote author=0C0D3D010D0C16100D0E620 link=1502679983/1050#1057 date=1503866287]TYG looks terrible now imo

LewisRichards wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:49:10:
no control wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:38:07:
TYG looks terrible now imo

Any thoughts of your own? Tell us who would you prefer to vote for right now (top 3 from your 1st choice to your last)?


1. Sportsguy
2. B ray
3. Orange



I put some pressure on him to see who will hook and you did.
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Reply #1636 - 08/30/17 at 11:52:25  
Evil town  and N1 + N2 theory


Third's D1 reads on Tvk and Dan that i could find:

Thiradell wrote on 08/22/17 at 20:24:37:
Hi guys.  Smiley

Has Orange played before? He came across as scummy in almost every post, too much justification and not enough reads. Could just be his style but I like Dan's vote on him

#121 sums it up pretty well. Leone was obviously a possible jester after a few posts and I have no idea why Dan would tunnel the YS theory so hard; why does it matter at all? I expected one or two "hey, he could be YS" comments and instead it was like 20 posts. All of Leone's posts are good minus the craziness

Dunno about PAF/TvK for now, lots of back-and-forths on some super early day 1 stuff. Not a huge fan of either



Then he has some discussion with Dan about YS thing and Leone.

Then more on TvK.

Thiradell wrote on 08/23/17 at 10:29:30:
TvK wrote on 08/23/17 at 04:08:36:
From one point, I understand what Thiradell is trying to say about Day 1 being Day 1 and the fact that he doesn't want to explain his reads too much. But the biggest part of me does not agree with this. There are 48 hours in Day 1. Are we already going to settle for "we probably aren't going to lynch scum"?


no, that's not what I said.

Last post of the day:

TvK posting twice just now to say "neutrals? why?" before "oh yeah, neutrals" looks like a town member to me. These posts are 100% fake if he's wolf/neutral himself and it seems pretty unlikely that he would do that. I looked at the rest of his posts...I think TYG was referring to your super early day 1 stuff when he said you meme posted.

Thiradell wrote on 08/23/17 at 19:38:58:
re: Leone asking five times if he thinks he's reading Dan right, it's possible but I'm not at all convinced and I don't want to lynch Dan off of that.


Based on all this i would say Third would go for Tvk over Dan.






D2 night 1 thought and list end of day 2:

Thiradell wrote on 08/26/17 at 21:32:34:
N1 I think mafia killed Dan and somebody else tried to kill TvK



Thiradell wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:36:04:
my reads haven't really changed

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TvK
John
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Zwiebel
TYG
Sportsguy
Orange
B.Ray


He goes for Orange on N2.


Why did he shoot booth nights? I guess that is where the evil part comes in. I think he had to shoot every night. He was also town, so he needs town to win.

Since he shoots every night, i think mafia has to have some kind of protection. Either a blocker or some ability that protects them. I think it is possible that Orange used protection tonight instead of doing a kill.


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Reply #1637 - 08/30/17 at 11:59:38  
What do you mean Orange used protection "instead of a kill" - why wouldn't another mafia member attempt the kill if that were the case? There is no way I can believe that mafia didn't *try* to make an attack on N2. If you believe that the attack on Orange did not come from mafia, then the mafia must have had their attack blocked (since nobody was healed)...
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Reply #1638 - 08/30/17 at 12:04:41  
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 11:59:38:
What do you mean Orange used protection "instead of a kill" - why wouldn't another mafia member attempt the kill if that were the case? There is no way I can believe that mafia didn't *try* to make an attack on N2. If you believe that the attack on Orange did not come from mafia, then the mafia must have had their attack blocked (since nobody was healed)...


Orange was in danger for sure. Maybe he can either choose to attack or defend. I think this is least likely, but we shouldn't throw it away.
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Reply #1639 - 08/30/17 at 12:08:39  
Especially since they have that attack in the middle of the day.
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Reply #1640 - 08/30/17 at 12:11:14  
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:04:41:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 11:59:38:
What do you mean Orange used protection "instead of a kill" - why wouldn't another mafia member attempt the kill if that were the case? There is no way I can believe that mafia didn't *try* to make an attack on N2. If you believe that the attack on Orange did not come from mafia, then the mafia must have had their attack blocked (since nobody was healed)...


Orange was in danger for sure. Maybe he can either choose to attack or defend. I think this is least likely, but we shouldn't throw it away.

What I'm saying is - even *if* we go along with your idea, that Orange is scum and used a defend night action...why wouldn't one of the other mafia members carry out an attack? I really don't believe that mafia didn't try to attack during the night. There are only 2 options here in my opinion: either mafia attacked Orange and no other attacks were attempted (nobody else claiming a block, and nobody was attacked/healed), OR somebody else attacked Orange and the mafia attack was blocked.
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Reply #1641 - 08/30/17 at 12:15:16  
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:11:14:
What I'm saying is - even *if* we go along with your idea, that Orange is scum and used a defend night action...why wouldn't one of the other mafia members carry out an attack?.


What if only 1 mafia can carry the attack?
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Reply #1642 - 08/30/17 at 12:17:16  
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:11:14:
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:04:41:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 11:59:38:
What do you mean Orange used protection "instead of a kill" - why wouldn't another mafia member attempt the kill if that were the case? There is no way I can believe that mafia didn't *try* to make an attack on N2. If you believe that the attack on Orange did not come from mafia, then the mafia must have had their attack blocked (since nobody was healed)...


Orange was in danger for sure. Maybe he can either choose to attack or defend. I think this is least likely, but we shouldn't throw it away.

What I'm saying is - even *if* we go along with your idea, that Orange is scum and used a defend night action...why wouldn't one of the other mafia members carry out an attack? I really don't believe that mafia didn't try to attack during the night. There are only 2 options here in my opinion: either mafia attacked Orange and no other attacks were attempted (nobody else claiming a block, and nobody was attacked/healed), OR somebody else attacked Orange and the mafia attack was blocked.

Sorry, posted before I was finished...continuing...

Out of those two options, people need to answer to this question to figure out which option they think is more believable:
- would mafia actually attack Orange?
Anyone who thinks mafia would NOT attack Orange (I don't see why they would, two possible reasons: first possibility is that he himself is scum, so obviously they wouldn't attack him. The other reason is that if he *isn't* scum, he would be relatively easy to generate a mislynch since he's been scumread all game and been a wagon both days) must believe that Orange was attacked by town or neutral. In that case, what do you think happened to the mafia attack?
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Reply #1643 - 08/30/17 at 12:21:26  
Ok, so i don't think mafia would attack Orange,

I strongly believe it was Third who i see as town.  This means either you blocked the attack, or mafia chose to defend Orange instead of shooting. Why are you so sure this in impossible?
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Reply #1644 - 08/30/17 at 12:22:18  
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johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:11:14:
What I'm saying is - even *if* we go along with your idea, that Orange is scum and used a defend night action...why wouldn't one of the other mafia members carry out an attack?.


What if only 1 mafia can carry the attack?


From OP:
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The last PM I receive during the Night phase, from any member of the Mafia, will be accepted as the kill action.

I'm reading this as whoever submits the kill carries it out, which would imply that any scum could attempt the kill? I guess it depends on whatever the scum roles actually are, but since we're playing a closed role game there's no way to be sure...
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Reply #1645 - 08/30/17 at 12:24:11  
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:21:26:
Ok, so i don't think mafia would attack Orange,

I strongly believe it was Third who i see as town.  This means either you blocked the attack, or mafia chose to defend Orange instead of shooting. Why are you so sure this in impossible?

If Orange is scum, why defend him over any of the other scum? You think his scumbuddies wouldn't value themselves more than him?
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 3
Reply #1646 - 08/30/17 at 12:25:42  
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:22:18:
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:15:16:
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:11:14:
What I'm saying is - even *if* we go along with your idea, that Orange is scum and used a defend night action...why wouldn't one of the other mafia members carry out an attack?.


What if only 1 mafia can carry the attack?


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The last PM I receive during the Night phase, from any member of the Mafia, will be accepted as the kill action.

I'm reading this as whoever submits the kill carries it out, which would imply that any scum could attempt the kill? I guess it depends on whatever the scum roles actually are, but since we're playing a closed role game there's no way to be sure...


Well if only 1 can make the kill, it doesn't matter who sends it really.
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Reply #1647 - 08/30/17 at 12:34:06  
I don't get how you guys come to conclusion that he evil TOWN has a mafia win condition?

And where is Brian...
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Reply #1648 - 08/30/17 at 12:36:18  
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:34:06:
I don't get how you guys come to conclusion that he evil TOWN has a mafia win condition?

His reveal was red text, how would that not be mafia aligned?
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Reply #1649 - 08/30/17 at 12:44:56  
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:36:18:
no control wrote on 08/30/17 at 12:34:06:
I don't get how you guys come to conclusion that he evil TOWN has a mafia win condition?

His reveal was red text, how would that not be mafia aligned?


I guess i can see it, will not rule it out 100%.

I read Third as town and he looks much better then Orange.

That would also mean that mafia has 2 night kills and a day shoot? I think that is too much, but i guess not impossible.
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