I'm on my phone on the way to Toronto and I have been all day. I will find more specifics when I get home. But there is literally no scenario where anyone but John kills Dan there. I'm gonna have to go soon btw. I'll try to read along as the day goes on but John has to be the lynch.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/29/17 at 08:04:18:

WHY WON'T YOU THINK?!?!?!?!

LewisRichards wrote on 08/29/17 at 08:04:18:

How is he the only one that could have Day killed dan?

B.Ray wrote on 08/29/17 at 08:20:14:

As did you...

B.Ray wrote on 08/29/17 at 08:36:09:

Why is Lewis so unwilling to actually think though? The fact remains that the only thing I remember Dan saying about me is that he didn't like me starting the wagon on you (see #662, for example).

Also, why was Lewis willing to try a blitzwagon on Dan at EoD1? Did he see a possible opportunity to get rid of a stronger town player rather than lynch you or PAF?

Exactly, Timur.

Brian: the reason I'm annoyed at Lewis is that he is providing nothing for me to even try defending myself from. All he's doing is refusing to see any contrary arguments. This is NOT TOWN behavior.

Brian, do you think scum attacked Orange last night? Why or why not?

Orange has been scumread by many players for most of the game - if he is *not* scum, why would they try to kill him? He would be one of the most easily securable mislynches in that case...

Assuming Orange was actually attacked last night, I think it most likely came from town.

B.Ray wrote on 08/29/17 at 09:49:40:


Yeah

TYG

LewisRichards wrote on 08/29/17 at 05:48:09:


Why are you looking this from his standpoint and not from town standpoint? What ever Leone is, this was terrible for town.


LewisRichards wrote on 08/29/17 at 05:48:09:


What are you suggesting?

LewisRichards wrote on 08/29/17 at 05:48:09:


It is not unbeliveable, but it is litelary the only possible role he could have claimed. I judge him on his posts and reactions and that sentance that Leone was trying to help town is the most rediculus reaction i have heard.
As i said before, i believe Third shoot him so it came from confirmed town. He went for his top scum read.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/29/17 at 05:48:09:


And now that Third has flipped town, how do you feel about that?

LewisRichards wrote on 08/29/17 at 05:48:09:

LewisRichards wrote on 08/29/17 at 05:48:09:


Considering that Third flipped town, does this change your opinions on John?

LewisRichards wrote on 08/29/17 at 05:48:09:


This kill was perfect, it took any opportunity from me and John to defend ourselves.

Was suggesting that Dan's wrong read on YS is completely different and irrelevant to the current situation.

Third's flip does not affect my opinion on John in the slightest.

I still believe if it was done by another team it was a terrible play and a waste of a day kill. The John lynch would be a lot more unlikely. And if it was done by an alt maf team don't you think there would be more people here wanting the John lynch?

just got back, catching up now.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/29/17 at 06:04:01:


I would guess evil town is maf-aligned who dont know their scumbuddies?

whoa whoa whoa

back the fuck up you faggots

the fact that we have a probable maf DEAD (the RED text gives this away, also it's EVIL town, not neutral in any indication of the name) and NOBODY has even gone back to see his interactions IS FUCKING SICKENING. everybody needs to be fucking ashamed of this.

my view on TYG has not changed, town!tyg is just as likely to be as useless as maf!tyg imo, I see nothing from him that could ONLY be maf!tyg in origin, but by god the dan-sheeping does look bad.

My biggest maf lean rn is Zoran, followed by John, and ye I havent elaborated on this shit with walls yet but thats cuz it takes hours to go back and scrutinize hundreds of posts!

Now, to get some productive conversation under way:

My reads BEFORE thira's modkill

basically confirmed town:
Bray (basically claimed and backed it up)

Town lean:
SG (cuz John read and also John/Zoran/Thira witchhunts on him)
Zwiebel (being useful for the most part imo)
tyg (again, dont see the sheeping to be maf in nature)

Neutral/Null:
Orange (see his fucking claim and shock's wording on him)

maf lean:
Thira (sg witchhunt, seems scummy but havent analyzed him)
Zoran (eager to agree with john on alot of shit, pushing sg hardcore, but havent analyzed him yet)
John (see my 10k-character wall and my EOD2 wall, havent looked at his d3 in this wall-ish sort o way yet)

AFTER THIRA'S MODKILL:

Basically Town:
Bray

Townlean:
SG (same reasons as before, ALSO thira's dying vote)
Timur (BARELY.)

Neutral/null:
Orange (same reasons as before)
tyg (no clue wtf hes doing but I cant see it being maf, SAME SITUATION AS PAF imo.)

Maf lean:
John (see my wall)
Zoran (recent interactions seem real weird, will elaborate in a wall on this man if i have time to write one up)

CONFIRMED maf:
Thiradell (I DONT SEE EVIL TOWN BEING NEUTRAL (re: shock's lettering.))

In light of the thira modkill, I'll give him my next wall of attention (also itll be easier/quicker than analyzing zoran's long-ass walls)

130 - agrees fully with 121, "John feels weird", all my posts are "good", not a fan of dan/tvk, INSTA-votes SG, "Zoran looks good" this entire post pings my scumdar in retrospect
135 - agrees with my reads "across the board"
140 - DEFENDS me
143 - doesnt care about ys (STILL defending me)
145 - view of me has changed (away from jester?)
173 - WONT give us his reads, but john still looks weird
224 - defends tvk as town
229 - asks if zoran quote compiling is scum
348 - calls PAF maf for second-guessing himself
350 - votes PAF but says sg still looks bad
351 - "you may be right" on dan thing, asks orange "for a decent scumread", wants bray to say smthn of substance
353 - "Leone could be anything lol", hits zwiebel for scenarios on me (MORE defending)

THEN he disappears for the rest of D1.

D2 shit next:

to this point thira has done next to nothing, came out swinging against tvk, agreeing with/defending me & liking zoran, votes paf after 1 post on him and disappears. it feels like hes trying to pocket me all day here, and he only goes after paf/sg in a substantial manner.