I'll just stop posting and leave a

[vote]Sportsguy[/vote]

good luck guys

and for good measure, where's the new page?

To be clear I don't want the lynch anyone other than John today no matter what. Just curious about thoughts on that.

Alright sounds good I'm heading to sleep gn

Leone wrote on 08/28/17 at 22:03:05:


Agreed, I'd like to get a read on everybody by EoD, and since Sportsguy and Zwiebel haven't made many posts today I'd like to see what they have to say before deciding who to vote on.

oh yeah and thoughts on that, thoughts on john, and reads? has your view of me changed since start-of-day? where ya at boi

LewisRichards wrote on 08/28/17 at 21:59:24:

Wouldn't look into it, he's genuinely worried he may have went against the rules of the game. Probably just threw his vote on someone he didn't think was likely to get any votes, although unvoting would have been better.

hi zoran bray & orange sirs I see you all on but not posting  

LewisRichards wrote on 08/28/17 at 17:14:38:


I didn't quote you so these were not your words, this was my interpretation of it. You have been asking for opinions from a fake cop for 2 days now and from what i see, you continue to agree with him.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/28/17 at 17:14:38:


His play was terrible for town, simply terrible, couldn't have done anything worse. He fake claimed cop to kill a townie. This is only genius from maf point of view.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/28/17 at 20:05:10:


Dan was also confident that Leone was YS and he is wrong now, at least on me.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/28/17 at 19:58:53:


It is a very bad idea. If you are so sure, why are you afraid to discuss this more?

LewisRichards wrote on 08/28/17 at 20:58:03:


Not really. Look back at our voting  history.

I was on Paf most day D1 and ended with Dan, on D2 i was on orange.

John basically opposed 2 choices i  made on D1 and went for Brian who was his main suspect in D2 as well.

Except that TvK vote in the end, our pressure was on different people.  

LewisRichards wrote on 08/28/17 at 20:55:06:


LewisRichards wrote on 08/28/17 at 21:16:40:


LewisRichards wrote on 08/28/17 at 21:19:07:



So you have been quite for 2 days, you come here and you think you solved it in 4 hours? You had nothing to say until 20 minutes prior to Dans death. Where were you for 4 hours since the day started?

Have you looked into the topic and searched for any signs of what Dan said about me and John? Or is it just based on his assumption? As for your jump on Third, what was that? Where is the evidance, 2 posts he made? anthing else?

You seam eagar to end this day as soon as possible.

no control wrote on 08/29/17 at 01:16:10:


I never said he was town, I said he was neutral

John stuff you prolly shouldnt ignore this one bray.

27 - thinks im a character, unvotes memevote
43 - hits paf, says finding out characters is useful
75 - agrees w/ me against dan that I =/= ys, says we should focus on content, defends pointing out majority rule to TVK
79 - hits orange and claims metagaming isn't a part of this game, random speculation =/= useful (missed this, seems weird to say, especially since he just pointed out a rule then missed where sock said meta'ing WOULD be a part of the game), says to lookat content IN and not MISSING FROM the game... huh. in a game like this, anyone knows this info=useful.
81 - thinks I could be jester, unlikely ys
100 - "may be right" to dan, says would wanna lynch me cuz i=annoying
111 - riding the line between agreeing w/ both me and dan
114 - would get rid of me sooner over later cuz posting style
119 - hits TVK and Sporty for their votes on Thira, asks tvk for more info on this (previously stated) memevote
126 - asks me abt pafvote after agreeing with me on "dan's obsession"
137 - claims im adding content to my chaos and thaats makin me useful, ALSO posts reads:
>zoran, tvk - null
>dan just odd
>paf and orange scummy for their votes, for paf's hitting dan on digging into me and orange's shit opening
>didn't like SG's entry at all
>me no specification, just that ive started being useful
141 - null read on thira
207 - defends agaist thira accusing of non-contributions outside character convo (references 119), spends rest of post driving home "character/content both useful but dan=fixated on character" point (that I was hardballing and lewis was sheeping off me for at that point)
208 - reiteration of 207 to hit sg for liking dan's rolehunting
211 - 'puzzled' (?) over whether maf know just names or full alignment
219 - eager to point out to TVK that third parties exist
231 - defends zoran, then says doesnt want to wait for inactives to post before getting reads
233 - specifically points out that zoran said stuff on thira/orange/lewis in #220
297 - states nobody'd be interested in killing jester
304 - agrees w/ timur ppl would wanna find jester then laments how much time was spent doing it
313 - agrees with zoran that he had misread orange entrance, says that post not *as* bad now
318 - another rules correction, this time to Sir Zweebellius I
320 - says would vote dan, same as previous reads
355 - says would like to wait on everyone to post before voting, calls out Bray for inactivity
444 - doesn't like brian entrance at all, agrees w/ tvk on D1 importance, weird forum meta comment out of the blue
458 - COMPLETELY bombs basic statistics (memeing abt diamond maybe?... these are so obviously wrong, and this man has a Chem Eng PhD now [idc if this is meta-metaing his meta with meta-Xtreme, I cant get this glaring inconsistency out of my head]) to defend his weird meta comment, then votes orange 'for pressure' cuz shite entry
460 - defends criticism of bray 'sheeping off others', also 'likes my reaction' to timur tryna get orange to do that ordering thing, rewords some of the things i said in that post...
471 - asks zoran for 'decent counter' with bray, for sheeping/peer-pressure interpretation of bray's posts
472 - agrees with my previous post, asks me opinion on his post on bray
473 - asks sg to post reads
478 - jokes about Diamond in response to my response to his shite stats
485 - slams paf for "would lynch orange/dan to stay alive" comment - 'be on the offense not on the defense' - though I make the same point both before and after this to paf
487 - intentionally(?) quotes bray's 'playing the math' phrase out of context
497 - re-responds to Zoran again with a bray vote "for sheeping/wanting to kill town", calls brian's posts anti-town and says following bray's logic we'd randomly lynch someone and move straight to N2
516 - 'good point' that d1 most wagons develop on inexperienced players, then asks tvk which of (bray/orange/dan) is scummiest cuz tvk thought by here we'd caught a scum already
526 - reply to tvk, orange/bray more scummy than paf but paf still looks bad for survival mentality
532 - grills orange: asks abt wagons, scum reads
535 - pressures lewis for reads+vote
547 - states current wagons, that he tried to get bray started, is wondering if tvk be tryna get wagons started too or if any these = scum
548 - drives the idea that bray wants to lynch randomly/lynch town
628 - returns after hiatus to demand bray give rationale for paf vote
635 - diamond joke
644 - says thira, orange have lots to answer to cuz havent shown up for EOD, then responds to my "what do we learn" question on bray lynch with "if brian=scum, paf=better, orange still=bad" - not sure where this logic even came from (what connection he 'saw' between bray/paf, only thing this looks like rn is trying to setup paf for d2 mislynch?)
648 - hits dan for his bray town lean, says bray wasnt saying he wanted to lynch under-the-radar scum... this feels like narrative-pushing, as he already misread bray several times now and is pushing for his lynch as a result? feels a bit off.
659 - asks me abt bray's defense of Dan, trying to get me to jump from Dan->bray looks like
674 - doesnt want rng
676 - "Dan isnt gonna happen" implying locked-in dichotomy between paf/bray now
681 - "if paf=scum brian looks good" - same thing as in previous post but other way around now, still no explanation on why paf connected w/ bray, and this logic wounda driven to D2 bray mislynch (still assuming bray=town)
689 - asks zweebs why dan/bray defend eachother so much (same thing he did with me) cuz zweebel was on board w/ either dan or paf at this point
701 - asks this weird question, which I missed, in retrospect:
Quote:


this looks super weird, why wouldnt dan be able to answer start-of-D2? oh wait...

D2 SHIT

709 - 'prepared some posts' right out of the gate, like zoran did, again I cant get SG's comment about maf preparing textwalls out of my head...
SPORTSGUY I need more justification to believe your comment about maf making start-of-day textwalls, the onus is on you to demonstrate this so I can accept it kind sir!!

also this post is a wall-ish mess so ill break it down by bits I see thatre interesting/not just posting voting history:

Quote:

^asks the first part abt zoran tvk third brian

Quote:

^same thing as before but later in the day and tvk has traded off with timur on paf

Quote:

^this seems interesting to point out on its own

Quote:

John tvk lewis and PAF are on brian now.

Asks this of SG:
Quote:

SG had stated on D1 that paf was his biggest maflean.

Quote:

Will have to look back over Dan's take on things, seeing as he has died twice now... lol

On lewis' eod1 vote:
Quote:

^At this point in voting paf was the clear lynch w/ or w/o lewis jumping ship from bray, this seems like a weird set of questions to ask

Quote:

^No pressure on my eod1 craziness like how TVK demanded answers, instead goes after these three

Quote:

^This about myself, orange, lewis, zoran and timur. Has this changed since then?

711 - asks bray this:
> Quote:

>then asks why, if no scum were on him, none would then join the wagon
>then asks whether bray thinks maf didnt care that (dan/paf/town!bray) were all town wagons
713 - READS:
SCUMREADS:
>orange - sketchy votes
>bray - 'anti-town' content [color=#ffff00](we see this word-twisting repeatedly) and paf wagon made to save him
TOWNREADS:
>TVK
>Zoran
>Timur
>myself
Null:
>Sports
>Thira
>Lewis[/color]
I find it strange that this reads set roughly follows ppls' activity levels. Not exactly indicative of town who's been digging on everybody thus far.
Then initial thoughts on night actions:
>"Gut Feeling" that TVK was the maf attack, and now he feels more townie (where did this logic come from tho? no hard explanation.)
Then demands reads from everyone.
707 - Agrees once again whole-heartedly with Zoran. (Sensing a pattern here?)
717 - points out to tvk that eod1 was ONLY between PAF and Bray. (my Dan blitz could have worked, mathematically, and imo John'd know this.)
721 - me/Timur not as suspicious as Bray/Orange "bcuz vote timing" despite what he said about wanting focus from tyg/sports/TVK
723 - asks tvk for reads
727 - asks tvk why sports more town than thira
728 - thinks eod1 votes just saved brian
767 - slams thira for "happy with my vote" comment abt paf, demands reads
770 - this one irks me a bit: here John slams orange (who said he wanted to wait until there was evidence to cast his vote) and twists his words into "anti-town play" and "you're not scumhunting, be more active"; then he slams his lack of vote at eod (which I can understand, as a town's greatest weapon is their vote [unless powerful night action ofc])
784 - reiterates "bray saga" then concludes with some notes. Some excerpts from his description of how the events transpired are worthy of note:
Quote:

^Mis-reads Brian's 484 and perpetuates this view here.
Quote:

^584 bent out of context (idk the exact original context here, perhaps bray could/did explain?) but this certainly wasn't it
Quote:

^This comment is a complete non-sequitur, given the content of brian's post iterated in the previous sentence.
Quote:

^Once again, context warps going on. (Bray explained true context later)
Quote:

^Well that comment certainly seems out of place.

Then he finishes with some closing notes:
Quote:

^half of these are confirmed town now, this feels like he's trying to throw scum accusations at these guys.
>asks lewis/tvk for reasons for their actions
>grills lewis on his votes
>he calls this summary and brief notes 'evidence that brian is maf'
786 - asks sg why paf>bray in scumminess, defends his push for a bray wagon 'cuz gut feeling that paf/dan were wrong' (how convenient.) - he wasn't attacked in what sg said, yet he jumped to the defense here. THEN he repeats tvk's "content not methods" defense when SG makes the beginning-of-day walls comment and says john/zoran are his maf leans.
789 - responds to bray again accusing SG TVK and/or Lewis of 'saving bray'
797 - relinks 770 to orange and demands an explanation for his bray vote
798 - corrects tvk on timur votechange contemplation
800 - hits tyg for vote-switching to paf
801 - notices tvk's "not gonna live much longer" thing, accuses us of ignoring him (several have responded by this point) then DEMANDS EOD1 and N1 explanations from everyone
803 - several things
>doesnt believe all maf are in (orange/sg/third/bray)
>calls tvk/lewis eod votes scummy but tvk MORE scummy
>lewis only scummier than the 2 is cuz night actions (??? still a non-sequitur here)
806 - brings up dan thought paf was town and paf thought orange was town and they were on each others' wagons -- can't tell what he was getting at here, if anything at all
816 - hits bray hard for his reads
817 - asks timur to tell where he said bray wasnt a brian-induced wagon
820 - heavily implies tvk/lewis are m/t or t/m
828 - says 1 of bray/orange is likely scum (no reasoning), also one of tvk/lewis (this feels really fishy the way he set up and subtly connected these pairs)
843 - the way he words his response to bray accusation of befriending is really weird:
Quote:

This, after pointing out the rules 3 times on D1, sets an interesting pattern of either intentional or unintentional deflection.
844 - defends Zoran from bray's (perhaps self-contradictory?) scumread of him
910 - asks bray to respond to 844, asks ppl to comment on maybe TVK/Lewis being t/m m/t (at this point neither my walls on tvk nor my wall on tyg existed, keep in mind), then asks in what way bray and orange are 'linked'
912 - responding to my 858, 863, 882:
>no stock in shock's wording of how tvk was injured
>suggests opposite scenario to what I had proposed (dan=town target, tvk=maf target)
>zoran=strongest townread then slightly less after n1 results, also timur looks genuine in his efforts and timur also voted orange, "which I liked"
914 - calls bray reads contradictory, asks him to contribute to eod1/N1 discussion
915 - agrees with timur on tvk attack and then agrees with timur, making this statement on his Bray wagon (that he started and has been pushing now multiple days) :
Quote:

This looks very much like a subtle or subconscious "look at x thing I'm doing, maf wouldn't do x thing" defense - ik I was wrong about Dan and making the argument but sometimes it holds water
918 - slams tyg hard for sheeping me
923 - hits thira with "which part of my post was bs?" regarding bray wagonomics (tvk's pushing of then abandonment of it)
925 - likes thira's mafteam post, hits his assumption that zoran/tvk=town, says he'd be down for a lewis wagon "bcuz terrible eod1/d2"
931 - accuses SG of TMI (really stretching here)
932 - has a giant rant at SG for his bray town read (it looks like he loses his cool here or is real nervous, given the post structure)
934 - hits SG HARD for his vote of Zoran, now SG is his biggest scumread
935 - Demands once again EOD1 and N1 actions be discussed, specifically on his 709 (which he had pre-written) and on his 713 (which he ALSO had prepared ahead of time, due to post timing) where he called tvk's stabbing maf-oriented... he seems REALLY eager to get these opinions on his pre-written posts, like, nigh-desperate, DESPITE other useful conversation happening
936, 937 - specifically asks TVK for EOD1 Lewis/SG vote and N1 action input
939 - disagrees with the conclusions of my N1 actions post (no reasons why other than "meh shock's wording doesnt mean alot") but likes that I considered a bunch of scenarios to try and figure it out (seems like alot of unnecessary complimentation, if there's a disagreement between us over what we think happened N1 [as you were begging for discussion on] then why let this disagreement slide, and not try to convince me of the opposite scenario??)
943 - takes a really weird zoran post, latches onto it, and crafts this elaborate "PAF marked tvk for death" conspiracy theory
945 - this paf-attack now makes tvk look worse??... (he's still assuming his version of N1 events happened)
947 - conspiracy theory not worth a lynch over BUT he wants everyones' opinions on it anyway?? wouldnt it be more useful to discuss who to lynch???
948 - asks zoran how eod1 votes changed his views of the voters/of brian
953 - back to hounding for interpretations of N1 actions
954 - casts SG in a real scummy light for his vote and lack of vote-swapping/n1 discussion...?
957 - points out orange hasnt discussed anything he wants him to
961 - wont reply to ANYTHING until he gets others' eod/N1 opinions...??? wat? super easy to do both...
963 - same questions as orange p much
967 - lewis bad reasoning for eod votes, now thinks tvk might be scum (I can only guess cuz conspiracy theory?), thinks tvk wasn't on town hit-list N1 (Still), asks lewis same questions as erryone else
968 - agrees with timur take on events completely, likes Timur's input but no comments on it...  
969 - bray, rehashes thing from before about bray's views of tvk/lewis, then asks about SG's vote
1008 - asks zoran about lafungo theory
1012 - asks zoran if his tvk read has changed at all and says some things
>if townie went for tvk, prolly paf-related conspiracy thing
>remove the attack on tvk, town or scum?
1020 - "wanna see yer view of tvk w/o activity hangups, aka his content, also if town attacked him then he goes into the scum category" lol dat contradiction, just lump him in w/ scum if town attacked him at night! Oh and also apparently orange looks like noob town now.
1022 - responds to Thira's pressure for a vote with a bray vote and asks thoughts on his lafungo conspiracy, then demands nobody end the day early
1028 - very clearly twisting SG's words here in an attempt to incriminate him
1031 - accuses lewis of sheeping off me for asking my opinion on orange's relation to tvk (seems like he's twisting words again)
1033 - questions the merits of claiming "cuz maf will know what we lost" huh......... discouraging claiming to prevent a town mislynch????  
1072 - READS:
TOWN
>me (not neutral, eh)
>Zoran for "opening your eyes" to the Lafungo conspiracy???!???!??!?!?!!!!??!!?!?!?1/1/1/ WHAT
>Thira, good d2 digging
>Timur, also some digging but not as much?
MAF
>TVK (dependent on N1 actions lol, nothing about content)
>SG "just awful play all around", 'lack of content' (his meta is this), 'Doesnt vote til wagons are set but he's currently "WASTING" his vote on Zoran'?? WHAT THE FLYING FUCK IS THIS!!!!?!!?!?!!  
>Orange, bad votes+play but he might just be noobtown
>Lewis, bad votes+sheeping
>Brian, bad D1 posts and "EOD1 save very concerning" and this was the man you were pushing for a lynch??!???! wouldnt SG be worse to you by now??????? YOUVE BEEN PUSHING HIM THE WHOLE GAME LOL

AAAAAAND then you get to my claim, see the wall-type analysis like this for a continuation of the above!!!

WILL CONTINUE WITH D3 STUFF NEXT, as I have exactly 0 characters left!!!!11

no control wrote on 08/29/17 at 01:42:57:


The mistake of being all too certain that his read was correct based off of his wall and behavior. I, for instance, have several gut feelings for who I believe are maf. I'm not going to go out my way and claim a role just to spread my belief, I just look for things that would help my argument. I also believe Leone to be neutral due to his jester like nature, and often saying phrases "WHAT THE FUCK" or "fine sir" in posts.

no control wrote on 08/29/17 at 02:19:19:


There's always the possibility of misinterpreting information unless it explicitly says something like "Scummity scum scum scum, you're scum because blah blah manipulated words [vote on person], in which case they will almost certainly be mafia.

I absolutely believe he wants to help the town. Leone's the only person (I'm pretty sure), to have made full walls on several people.