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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1050 - 08/27/17 at 12:28:26
 
Leone wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:23:55:
bray tf you doing son

reads rn???

also timur, reads?????

also erryone else on rn, reads??????


I literally posted my leans last page
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1051 - 08/27/17 at 12:29:20
 
Guess 2 pages ago, that timing Smiley
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1052 - 08/27/17 at 12:31:44
 
Zwiebel wrote on 08/27/17 at 11:37:36:
@Brian, Orange: DO NOT roleclaim before we discussed this. I wanna hear everyone's opinion on it first.


I don't see how this would help right now. Orange is offline and since a lot of people are not here it is less likely there will be a counter claim. We also hadn't had any info on the roles, just the characters so they can make up pretty much anything.
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Reply #1053 - 08/27/17 at 12:32:10
 
quick synopsis of my own reads, partway through making walls about ppl

John: 65% town - im not precluding a scum possibility, I only played with him as town before, not sure what he's capable of as maf and i havent analyzed him yet

Bray, TYG - 55% town - explained in my walls, but their plays are real weird, this might drop my opinion of them

Thira, SG - 50% town due to my not having time to seriously analyze their plays, im less confident about thira tho, hence my next wall being on him

Zoran - neutral or apathetic town-  it feels like he just doesnt give a fuck, due to his tepid, not-trying-really reads and plays, could be neutral, havent analyzed him yet

Orange - 55% maf - see my tvk walls, I'm leaving him my weakest maflean because I havent given him a proper wall

Timur - 65% maf - see my wall on him on this; it also hinges on TVK's alignment (also his defense seems reeeeally tepid at best)

TVK - 80+% maf - see my walls on him
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1054 - 08/27/17 at 12:34:08
 
no control wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:26:00:
B.Ray wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:20:54:
[vote]unvote[/vote]


Can you explain this move? You have someone else in mind, or are you just waiting to see what will happen?


I thought what Zwiebel said was good about roleclaiming and I would prefer not hit a majority vote for Orange if he had a power role and he wants to claim it before he died or  if he was going to live and role claims and gives away free info, best for everyone to unvote for the next hour. I'd really appreciate at least 2 people unvoting me too for the short time period
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1055 - 08/27/17 at 12:35:04
 
Uhhh idk I just wanted to know what Leone's thoughts on that were.

I want to vote sportsguy but is that even okay since he's not even here to explain himself? But I think John and Zoran being his top maf reads was just the dumbest thing ever. I think he looks the most scummy, but he doesn't really connect with anyone. I don’t like b rays d1 at all or his start of d2. I have no idea about orange his posts have sermed scummy but I can also see hom being town.

So in other words I still seriously have no idea who to vote for.
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Reply #1056 - 08/27/17 at 12:36:04
 
my reads haven't really changed

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1057 - 08/27/17 at 12:38:07
 
TYG looks terrible now imo

Any thoughts of your own? Tell us who would you prefer to vote for right now (top 3 from your 1st choice to your last)?
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1058 - 08/27/17 at 12:40:23
 
Do you guys think the votes will change at the very end like day 1 or pretty much stay static?
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1059 - 08/27/17 at 12:41:38
 
Town
John

Town lean
Leone
Third
Timur

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TvK

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Brain
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1060 - 08/27/17 at 12:42:12
 
Zwiebel wrote on 08/27/17 at 11:09:02:
no control wrote on 08/27/17 at 10:33:51:
Zwiebel, how did your reads change since the start of D2? 738


Brian, Orange - strong maf lean. Same reasons I had before. None of them have really concinved me from the opposite today, but I have to admit that Brian has put at least some effort in his defence today, while Orange still kinda feels like not wanting to post much. I still favor lynching Brian today tho, I think they are both likely to flip Maf + I think a Brian lynch tells us a lot more than an Orange lynch would, especially with all the EoD 1 things that happened.


>&Why does bray look worse than orange if orange has put in much less to defend himself? imo this could be maf telling orange to stfu so he doesnt leak his scumbuddies (if he's maf that is, if he's town he's virtually useless)
>What specifically would bray lynch tell and what would orange tell us and which set of info would be more useful/why?

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Sportsguy, TYG - slight Maf lean. SG looks bad for his voting history and the fact that he hasn't really made the impression to me that he's actively trying to help Town. TYG looks bad for his EoD 1 and his general lack of contribution D2 so far. He has 10 posts of which 2 are literally "page glitch" posts. As I pointed out in my big post about TYG, there are some things that also speak against TYG being Maf, that's why I'm putting him on slight lean.


>SG I could see, but he feels more neutral to me rn - ples, point to a game where he isn't inactive af
>If you think tyg could be maf, why would maf!tyg be so brave with the posts that he has made? That's one of the main things making me think he's town

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Zoran, Thiradell - slight Town lean. Third has done a lot of digging today and my read on zoran hasn't really changed from my last post.


commentary on this tbd, thoughts on neutral!zoran possibility?

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TvK, John - high Town lean, because their play seems pro-Town to me, especially John's D2 gives me a very strong Town vibe, along with the EoD 1 wagon onto Brian makes them my highest Town leans.


why do you think tvk is town, especially after the playstyle and VERY clear trends I pointed out in my TVK walls? ALSO why the fuck havent you been grilling him like you have been going against others? And why do you think town!TVK would play like this (tunneling on low-hanging fruit, etc, see my walls on it)?

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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1061 - 08/27/17 at 12:44:20
 
LewisRichards wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:35:04:
Uhhh idk I just wanted to know what Leone's thoughts on that were.
I want to vote sportsguy but is that even okay since he's not even here to explain himself?


Again asking others for permission. Please don't do that.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1062 - 08/27/17 at 12:45:40
 
I just got home and I'm going to catch up as quickly as possible and I'll try to respond to everything that was addressed to me.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1063 - 08/27/17 at 12:48:15
 
Leone, you yourself said that if I'm Town, then you think TvK is Town.

I know I'm town, and I also think TvK is Town. That only makes my Town lean on TvK stronger...

About neutral!zoran, dunno. Don't really see any indication for that right now.

About TYG, I actually agree with you, that's why I only put him at small Maf lean. Otherwise I would put him at strong Maf lean.

I don't say brian looks worse than Orange, I think they look equally bad. I just think a Brian lynch gives us more info than an Orange lynch.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1064 - 08/27/17 at 12:49:10
 
no control wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:38:07:
TYG looks terrible now imo

Any thoughts of your own? Tell us who would you prefer to vote for right now (top 3 from your 1st choice to your last)?


1. Sportsguy
2. B ray
3. Orange
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Reply #1065 - 08/27/17 at 12:49:32
 
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/26/17 at 04:55:00:
TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 14:23:22:
However, from Shock's writings it doesn't seem like I'm going to live much longer than today.

Not sure how I missed this, but what do you mean?


Because of the way that Shock described my status. "It seems he was attacked and "healed", if one can call that mess of bandages a healing..." He even put quotation marks around healed. I've got a feeling that the person who tried to save me is some kind of weak doc that is able to keep me alive for another day phase.
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1066 - 08/27/17 at 12:50:37
 
TYG

Can you give us a list of your reads?

What is your take on this

Zwiebel wrote on 08/27/17 at 11:37:36:
I've been thinking, do you guys think that both of them roleclaiming right now would be a good idea for us? Right now I can't see much bad things about it, but maybe I'm overseeing something. Is there any reason for them to not do it right now? As I see it, there's probably not another lynch happening, as I agree with #1026 from Thiradell.

I mean, if one of them is Town and we lynch him it's really really bad for us, so I'd rather have them spill all information they have right now. Then again, we would give Maf more information if one of them is Town, which would also suck.

I think it's at least worth discussing.

@Brian, Orange: DO NOT roleclaim before we discussed this. I wanna hear everyone's opinion on it first.
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Reply #1067 - 08/27/17 at 12:52:04
 
Gonna post my reads on everyone the I'm gone for the next half hour but I'll be back for eod. Sorry.

Town:
Leone
John
Zoran

Neutral:
TvK
Zwiebel
Third

Maf:
Sportsguy
B ray
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Re: Forum-themed Mafia: Day 2
Reply #1068 - 08/27/17 at 12:54:11
 
Zwiebel wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:48:15:
Leone, you yourself said that if I'm Town, then you think TvK is Town.

I know I'm town, and I also think TvK is Town. That only makes my Town lean on TvK stronger...



what the fuckk?????!! pooint to a place on d2 where i sais i think you/tvk are town, and also you dodged the question. ANSWER MY QUESTION I POSED IN MY LAST POST TO YOU ABOUT TVK, HIS TRENDS, AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SHY AWAY FROM HIM.

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I don't say brian looks worse than Orange, I think they look equally bad. I just think a Brian lynch gives us more info than an Orange lynch.


YOU DODGED MY QUESTION AGAIN SIR, WHAT INFORMATION WOULOD EACH LYNCH PROVIDE IN YOUR OPINION???!?!?
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Reply #1069 - 08/27/17 at 12:54:58
 
johnboy81918 wrote on 08/26/17 at 04:55:00:
EVERYONE NEEDS TO POST ABOUT THE FOLLOWING DAMN THINGS
- what happened at EoD1?
- what happened N1?

Seriously guys, these 2 points have so much concrete information (not just the flips, also look at votes and the attack/heal on TvK) and we need to use it.


I think TYG and I just made a bad call. It makes so little sense for maf to build the entire B.Ray wagon only to jump away at the very last moment. If B.Ray is mafia, why would I have pushed so hard for my buddy to be lynched instead of just staying on PAF where I was the entire day. And if B.Ray is town, then why would I have switched to PAF? There was going to be a townie lynched anyway.

As for nightkills, I would not be surprised if Dan was killed by a town vig. I think it's more likely that Dan was killed by town than that a town member attempted to kill me. Mafia killing might mean that they are trying to make B.Ray look bad, but I think they tried to get rid of someone who is strong at building wagons.
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Reply #1070 - 08/27/17 at 12:56:41
 
Leone wrote on 08/26/17 at 23:23:07:
k now for zwiebel. I wont hafta break his posts up across 2 posts of my own cuz he only made about half as many as tvk

230 - shows up late again (re: town of memes game)
248 - contrives 3 scenarios one of which must be the case of my posting style change, then claims to agree with zoran (though he's using my logic) and votes Dan, then gives tyg maf vibes and paf/zoran town vibes
250 - me/dan m/m impossible
254 - asks me to summarize leans
255 - basically sucks tvk's dick lol
263 - asks me to clarify wat i mean by SG weirdness
301 - explains why wasting kills on jester=bad, then uses my logic from like 150-ish posts back to go after dan
305 - "dont waste lynch on jester" then uses my logic again to go after dan
311 - agrees with my read that paf could be maf but more likely clueless town, then adds his 2 cents to it
317 - asks john for lynch candidate
373 - unvotes dan and immediately, w/o explanation, votes orange
375 - tells dan to stfu about role names so maf dont have names of ppl to kill (maybe a sideways defense of me to pocket subtly? eh...)
381 - defends orange vote with "he needs some pressure"
384 - responds to orange attacking timur vote on orange with "you bandwagoned bitch" (if all of orange's posts are contrived then we should see him interact primarily with maf to put on a show - if timur=maf then he's being more subtle about it than tvk was rn)
385 - "scared cuz maf?" at dan
388 - uses my logic again to go after dan's rolehunting
389 - asks dan abt lack of confidence?
397 - points out dan/orange cross-vote, then calls orange scummy for being there but not posting and demands he speak up
404 - timur demands orange arrange some names in order of most-to-least scummy
418 - timur asks paf this:
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Why are you so adamant on Orange being Town Noob? What makes him more likely Town Noob than scared Maf? You think he shouldn't be put under pressure?

looks to me like planting the idea that orange=scared maf

463 - interjecting in text wall:
>repeats things he said in earlier posts to clarify em to zoran
>upset orange ignored timur+went offline
>dont ignore the low-posters

475 - asks paf to expand on where he was sheeping, then claims that dan=maf cuz he blabbed abt jester DESPITE the fact that it was my idea from post 180 or so, then reiterates orange vote=for pressure
483 - asks paf to expand on why dan looks better now
504 - 'might have to think different of paf' cuz paf didn't substantiate a sheeping claim about timur on myself
508 - "why's ordering ppl more contrived than making a list?"
512 - maybe me=paranoid, and orange should still answer
533 - jumps from orange to paf vote cuz paf has town lean on timur up from slight maf, and townlean on orange... wait, wat? if paf's scumminess is from thinking orange isn't scummy wouldnt that make orange scummier still?.... huh.
556 - "certainly agree with points you make Leone" then restates part of the argument I had made earlier, then asks paf about list explanation
558 - a (imo solid) defense of vote-hopping, but given who he moved his votes around to (dan, then orange, then paf), I think this might just be a stock-defense...
561 - pushes paf on dan/timur scenarios
562 - accuses paf of pocketing
567 - "dan/paf maf? would explain wat tvk said"
570 - "mebbe dan=jester?"
585 - hits bray for possible slip
596 - calls what paf did pocketing
621 - calls out orange absence, says final vote will be dan/paf/orange
650 - "bray lynch=lure", and if paf/dan flip scum then tvk=worse, and bray=better...?????
684 - willing to lynch dan/paf over bray
687 - bray lynch=bad
691 - gut feel that bray lynch=setup

D2

738 - several things
>eager to sweep dan/paf vote movements under the rug
>feels better abt tvk cuz he pushed bray wagon
>tvk getting attacked means he=town, bray=scum, orange needs to show up
- biran/orange scum, hes confident atleast 1=maf (pushes same thing tvk might be trying to push, w/ bray then orange lynchchain)
- third, sg suspicious-looking cuz voting activity
- zoran=protown so slight townlean
- tyg, john neutral cuz not looked into yet
- still thinks im jester
- tvk BIGGEST™ town lean. thoughts on my 2 TVK walls then, sir???!?!?!?!?!?!?!

811, 812 - several things
>pounds tyg for attacking orange opening post
>hits tyg for waiting to vote for dan rather than immediately
>implies tyg has mafchatgaps
>tyg/orange m/m unlikely
>points out sheeping from tyg
>points out tyg vote contradiction
>looks like over-the-top town flipflops
>points out tyg didnt go for dan first if he thought dan/bray were m/m
>thinks tyg is pocketing me
>thinks tyg wouldnt be brave enough for that flipflopping

813 - thinks bray wagon point to tvk/john both town, and wagon wasnt maf-pushed "like I explained before" (where????)
824 - only thought brian was lure cuz thought dan/paf would flip maf
852 - votes bray for lack of answers
855 - posts this question directly, and the wording is a bit weird imo:
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If there ANYONE who thinks that Brian is Town at this point?

This feels like narrative-pushing.

To answer your question, sir, he gives me a neutral read rn, but I haven't given him a solid analysis yet  Kiss

860 - doubles down on bray demanding answers for weird reads
862 - thinks dan was sk target and tvk was attempted mafkill
865 - I answered this one already... or did I?  Grin
890 - will answer this, BUT wanna highlight a thing --
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considering the fact that it's likely that Brian is Maf


^One of 2 things:
>tmi
>narrartive-pushing

either way I dont like it

938 - see my separate post on it. summary:
>brian=maf means one of tvk/tyg/sg/dan=maf and prolly not tvk and def not dan so prolly tyg or sg (if bray is maf then this could be timur opening the doors to a mislynch, assuming tvk=maf and tyg, sports=town or other, will have to analyze all these for a clearer read)
>bray=town means maf lean on tvk
>also third looks town now

Conclusions: Timur's alignment relies extremely heavily on TVK's. If TVK is town then Timur is likely town, and vice versa, because they're employing very, very much the same strategy as one another AND NOT CHALLENGING EACH OTHER. Timur wouldn't let TVK get away with his bullshit, imo. But then, maybe I'm just wrong about how good this man is.  Grin

READ: Slight maf lean, dependent on TVK.

bray is next cuz he's the cog in all this bullshit D2 stuff, it seems.


It's literally in your own wall...you keep telling everyone to read your walls, yet you don't remember one of your key points?
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Reply #1071 - 08/27/17 at 12:56:41
 
Zwiebel wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:28:26:
Leone wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:23:55:
bray tf you doing son

reads rn???

also timur, reads?????

also erryone else on rn, reads??????


I literally posted my leans last page

Who is Tumur? Is that young guy, sorry I just keep getting confused. People have 3 damn names and use them all, it's confusing af. If someone could tell me the nicknames for TYG, Timur, young guy and Zwiebel I'd appreciate it, those are the ones that confuse me. Is seriously no one going to unvote me for 20 mins?
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Reply #1072 - 08/27/17 at 12:57:47
 
Reads right now...

Town:
John (best town player imo)
Leone (still think possibly neutral, but at least I don't scumread him so I'm leaving him here)
Zoran (bringing up possibility of PAF's involvement in TvK attack opened my eyes)
Third (good D2 digging overall)
Timur (doing some digging as well, wish he'd do more but I think this is his style)

Maf:
TvK (basically depends on what you believe about N1: if you believe that scum targeted him, then he's clearly not maf. Otherwise, his EoD1 vote was super scummy, and his explanation wasn't good enough)
Sportsguy (just awful play all around. Gives scumreads to anyone who pressures him, hasn't commented on anyone's actual content, says he wants votes despite not voting until D1 wagons were set, also is wasting his current vote on Zoran)
Orange (his play and votes have been bad, but as other players look worse and worse, I'm becoming more inclined to believe he is noob town...)
Lewis (bad voting, bad play, sheeping, wtf)
Brian (D1 posts were bad, and the fact that he was saved last minute of EoD1 is very concerning)

Just putting these out here now to show where I stand before D2 ends.
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Reply #1073 - 08/27/17 at 12:58:11
 
B.Ray wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:56:41:
Zwiebel wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:28:26:
Leone wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:23:55:
bray tf you doing son

reads rn???

also timur, reads?????

also erryone else on rn, reads??????


I literally posted my leans last page

Who is Tumur? Is that young guy, sorry I just keep getting confused. People have 3 damn names and use them all, it's confusing af. If someone could tell me the nicknames for TYG, Timur, young guy and Zwiebel I'd appreciate it, those are the ones that confuse me. Is seriously no one going to unvote me for 20 mins?


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Reply #1074 - 08/27/17 at 12:58:31
 
no control wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:50:37:
TYG

Can you give us a list of your reads?

What is your take on this

Zwiebel wrote on 08/27/17 at 11:37:36:
I've been thinking, do you guys think that both of them roleclaiming right now would be a good idea for us? Right now I can't see much bad things about it, but maybe I'm overseeing something. Is there any reason for them to not do it right now? As I see it, there's probably not another lynch happening, as I agree with #1026 from Thiradell.

I mean, if one of them is Town and we lynch him it's really really bad for us, so I'd rather have them spill all information they have right now. Then again, we would give Maf more information if one of them is Town, which would also suck.

I think it's at least worth discussing.

@Brian, Orange: DO NOT roleclaim before we discussed this. I wanna hear everyone's opinion on it first.


I'm not sure, it would give maf info in narrowing down the roles if they're town. But if even one of them is town it could save a mislynch.  I think it could be a good idea. The problem is a maf team could easily make up a fake role and maybe it could be even more believable than the real role and then the game changes to who's roleclaim do we believe rather than who's mafia and the entire game before this seems to get thrown out the window with regards to that? Maybe I'm going too far, idk. Got to go, I'll be back for eod sorry.
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