personally I think the longer we let B.Ray/Orange live:
-if they're town, the mafia will be able to continue giving them as scumreads, and we'll be put in the position of guessing whether the mafia are doing this or whether B.Ray/Orange are scum
-if they're mafia maybe it'll show up eventually, but I wouldn't expect their play to change much from how it stands right now. They could ride out the n00b town wave for awhile and make it a lot farther than they should have

we can see how one of them flips and then pursue the "stronger" mafia in later stages

Thiradell wrote on 08/27/17 at 11:16:41:

Also he likes on the record votes, and was sitting with no vote until 20 minutes before EoD1 lmao. Just waiting for the wagons to line up how he liked!

I want to know what Leone thinks about orange specifically and if him being maf is entirely contingent on tvk being maf in his opinion as well as the questions I asked him earlier. After that I'll vote.

I've been thinking, do you guys think that both of them roleclaiming right now would be a good idea for us? Right now I can't see much bad things about it, but maybe I'm overseeing something. Is there any reason for them to not do it right now? As I see it, there's probably not another lynch happening, as I agree with #1026 from Thiradell.

I mean, if one of them is Town and we lynch him it's really really bad for us, so I'd rather have them spill all information they have right now. Then again, we would give Maf more information if one of them is Town, which would also suck.

I think it's at least worth discussing.

@Brian, Orange: DO NOT roleclaim before we discussed this. I wanna hear everyone's opinion on it first.

Zwiebel wrote on 08/27/17 at 11:37:36:


depends on their roles. If they have super useful info it'd be nice to have that, otherwise I'm not very keen on this idea

ok im back, just woke up, gonna catch up now

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/27/17 at 11:03:38:

I didn't know he posted that pregame, as for in game stuff, i never trust these kind of excuses.

Since he did post it pregame, i will not hold it against him either.

My thoughts on his eod:

I already mentioned a possibility that he might be mafia if Brian is town in 823 and clarified it in 1007

If Brian is mafia, i think it is less likely that TvK is mafia. I understand your point that it looks bad because he jumped from mafia to town in that case, but why would he go so hard on him? You could use the same argument that i used in 823 but there is 1 difference which i think is important here.

Tvk didn't just jump on Brian wagon, he went for him hard. Not only that he made his wagon more interesting that way, but he threw him under the bus on D2.

That difference makes me think that m/m is not likely.

But all this make it hard to form a solid opinion on TvK based on his eod movement since we don't know if Brian is maf or town.

Since PAF flipped town, he went down for me, but he started D2 pretty good so that leveled it back.

johnboy81918 wrote on 08/27/17 at 11:03:38:


TvK wrote on 08/25/17 at 14:23:22:


I like how he shared this, i didn't think of that, don't think he would share it as maf. Why would he help us solve this? Why would he post so hard as maf in beginning of D2 if he really thought what he wrote there? I don't see it.

Then there is that post 715 which is the only one that doesn't look the best. I would add that blaming TYG for confusion is bad.

Other then that he posted his reads, and went scum hunting. There is nothing in the other posts i can point out.

This is all without that night thing.

As for the night thing i really thought neutral attacker was more likely, but since you posted that specific quote, i'm not so sure anymore.

Will put him at 50-50 based on his posts and eod activity (this time without the activity penalty).

If brian ends up being town he goes down and if Paf shoot him it looks even worse for him.

All that being said, i don't think we should be so fast on TvK.

no control wrote on 08/27/17 at 12:07:06:


Correction i meant for, but on is true as well.

I'll try to put out a wall on thiradell rq, there is a chance orange/bray are t/t, wanna look at more ppl, but rn the one read I'm MOST convinced about is TVK=maf.

LewisRichards wrote on 08/27/17 at 11:33:59:


You followed Leone onto the wron wagon last time, why would you follow him again or wait for his opinion before you vote?
Do not hide behind Leone.

I say whoever it is that we end up lynching, if they're town, have a post ready to go at eod, as claiming earlier probably wont save them (lotsa ppl offline) and if it does save em it just gives maf a clear night kill choice.

We need their info but we cant make it useful to maf.

bray tf you doing son

reads rn???

also timur, reads?????

also erryone else on rn, reads??????