Just because I thought forbidding a strat was a stupid rule doesn't necessarily mean I didn't accept to compete the way it was asked us to. This explains why I never drove it on the PAL side, even for CDM practice (as this competition doesn't live with blinkers when it comes to that topic). My NTSC lap attempt was just for faking a sub 10" WR I never submitted of course, because my only purpose was a joke for the SMK a section of the MB. The Stunfest 5-lap performance that came just after had almost the same purpose: claiming "hey I drove a SMK WR at a video game event!" before "oh, by the way, it's a SC WR, lol". If I'm correct I've done this long after the last time I asked for allowing the strat (2-3 years?), knowing it was SC and absolutely not driving it to prove something.

Since then I don't remember having asked for it to be allowed as I did know this would never be the case anyway. So yes, when it suddenly came OK for the majority to allow it, I called it a lame joke and still think it is, because it should have been allowed from the goddamn beginning, when it was discovered first, not a whole decade after when it's not even the main topic (we were discussing on MC3/MC4 new strats and not CI1 that was definitely brought on the table for wrong reasons). If you don't understand I was joking again on it when I bumped the topic that's your problem, but that was obvious troll to me (and I'm pretty sure Karel took it this way too).

Sorry but I think my attitude towards this specific case has always been coherent and logic. My ony mistakes were to create that poll (but I didn't imagine how closed the case was back in time) and bumping it for joking. What's selfish there, seriously?

Antistar wrote on 07/27/17 at 02:17:09:


Trust me, this doesn't work.

So I read through the topic and on one side I understand Antistar that a change of standards would destroy a lot of effort put into the game if we decide to make them weaker. However:

Sami de la SMK wrote on 07/27/17 at 02:12:36:


Making a standard harder because of new strats wouldn't upset me, as long as you don't completely overdo it. We had many strat changes in MKSC (due to new shroomspots, different MT routes and such) that would allow times that pushed the 3laps or flaps by well more than half a second which made us think about adjusting standards. Some of them were so weak that you could reach them without even using ZZMT already. Imo it's the same with the pipe boost strats, they may not suit everyones likes, but this is just because (as Karel already stated) people don't like changes. Of course it allows other, maybe worse players to beat your times and make your efforts "useless". But, why just not try the new strat yourself? You may not like it, but maybe because you haven't fully understood or tried it yet. Not to insult anyone here in their opinion, but if you ask me, the whole purpose of standards is to motivate people. It motivated Antistar to go for WRs beyond the 2nd place, as a standard was still to reach. With a change to make it weaker, the effort would go to extinct. For others, it might not be motivating at all as they lack knowledge or skill, which is why a slight increase of the Myth+ time to make them easier would give them some new motivation. A standard that is too easy to reach (a few GODs in MK64 for example) may motivate people to try for the god and then leave it alone for a long time after achieving them. This is why we looked over the whole set of standards in MKSC and were looking for a standard that is challenging, but reachable. SMKs standards are in most cases fine, some, with implemented new strats, are just too weak.

Also a personal thing I wanted to say and ask for a long time but wasn't sure to post as it would upset some people I think...

The reason why it took so long to discuss if the new strats should be allowed... to take all this time from almost half a year ago, was it because of the past discussions of not allowing the CI1 strats? I feel like some people here were very cautious about this and just wanted the community to fully approve this to not get the same result as in the past?

Also, unrelated but somehow still related: if you want to be removed Antistar, why not just change your name? So the WRs won't get lost and the site still holds its credibility.

I have read only a few posts in this topic, but Chris thinks I should throw this idea out there:

In MKSC we're considering keeping both the old and new standards available on the site to compare your timesheet against. However, the new standards will be the "active" ones on the site and considered the one that forms the official ARR rankings. But we thought of adding a button that lets one easily look at your ARR on your timesheet (and maybe also on the main ranks page) that uses the old standards.

I like this idea a lot as well, not only to still honour Antistar's achievements, but also in general.

Shock wrote on 07/30/17 at 12:18:40:


As per my first post, some "fresh ideas" are very welcome. Do you know how far into development this is for MKSC so far? If Alex is creating it then a similar template could be used if we put together a 2nd (new) set of standards. Then we can test with to see if we all like the idea?

If I was going to do anything I'd make the NTSC standards harder so that they're at least as hard as the PAL standards, based on the number of players who can achieve them. I think I might still make Emperor overall (barely) on NTSC, given how much more time and effort I've put into NTSC than PAL, where I got to Hero A in less than two months. It may mean that a lot of my Titan times will drop to Emperor and some of my Emperor times will go down to Hero, etc. but getting up to those levels should mean something.

Some suggestions for new NTSC standards:

GV1: how about 1'00"50 for Titan F. (currently 1'01"70)
CI2: 1'05"00 (or lower) for Titan F (currently 1'06"20)
VL1: 51"50 for Emperor F (currently 53"25), and probably 53"75 for Hero F (a one-second hike from the current Hero F).
BC3: 1'30"00 (or possibly 1'29"75) for Emperor F (currently 1'30"65?)
GV3: 1'15"00 for Hero F (currently 1'15"75), 1'14"00 for Emperor F (now 1'14"75)
VL2: 52"00 (or lower) for Hero F, no more than 50"00 for Emperor F (currently 53"50 and 51"70)
RR: 1'26"00 (give or take) for Hero F (currently 1'26"60), maybe 1'25"50 for Emperor F

I'm only looking at stuff closer to my rank; I'm not sure how I'd do the Myth/Myth+ (top players would understand this better) and the standards from Veteran on down don't seem to really be any harder on PAL than on NTSC.

Myth+ -> God

SMK is a pile of shit cuz no god

Sami de la SMK wrote on 08/04/17 at 18:13:24:


Ya

I don't really kart much anymore, mostly do psychedelics and work

My two cents:

I have always had the belief that the highest standards should be attainable through a lot of hard work and practice at a specific strategy. When NBTs came to be the norm, I fully understood why the standards needed to be re-worked because all of them instantly became obsolete. However, I remember talking with Sami a decade ago about how high (or low, if you choose to look at it that way) the Myth+ standards should be set, and I had a pretty firm belief that they shouldn't be out of reach with the current strats, or even be set directly at the current world record.

I feel like they should be a combination of a good barrier and what we can all agree is a phenomenal time for each track. Obviously we can't predict the future and where the standards are going to be in another 10 years, but there's nothing wrong with calling a GOD time on MC1 something that a handful of people in the world have already gotten and are happy with their achievement. Lowering the barrier further just to push people to grind for another straight year (which I agree with Guillaume on) is just arbitrary and I don't think it will have the expected outcome for the activity side of the argument.

Revising standards undermines the very reason for having them, and is a disgusting concept unless they're complete shit and way off-base (re:MKSC) if you want my sober opinion tbh

Does the opposite of motivate people. Makes them say "fuck you" and quit. Props to MK64.