Hahahahaha, loving that Sami solution. How could you possibly refuse Johan?  

Thanks for your answer, Sami.
As you guessed, I won't prove you wrong

What I prefer above all in SMK is TT so CDM might not be the perfect place for me
However, be it the CDM or the main site, they have in common that you can't really compete with NBT times of other participants when you're a non-NBT player.
That is (of course) not a criticism but a statement. And that's why the non-NBT site was created

However, I tend to think that it would be better (for non-NBT and for the community in general) to integrate the non-NBT site into the main site. Not just a link as it is already the case but two sections (NBT allowed in one section, non-NBT in the other section), both being database-driven. However, it's up to Alicia to decide (and I'm not sure she's ok with me) but you, what would you think about it?

If we are going to start have seperate charts on the main site for sub-optimal strats, can we also have charts for no-L/R and also for each character class?

@Sami: thanks for your answer.
Not sure to see precisely what you're talking about with this filter thing but this might deserve additional discussion. (However, as I said, I'm not even sure Alicia would agree with this change)

About me joining the main site: for players who see non-NBT as a step before NBT in their SMK learning, comparing their non-NBT times with all other times (including NBT) makes sense.
But when you spend hours on PAL non-NBT GV1 because you really like non-NBT and have in mind a certain 12"26 , it's non-sense to compare with tens of people that have done better with NBT.
It's like comparing apples and oranges.

wxyz wrote on 02/20/18 at 14:47:37:


Moll has a good point on all the other categories that could be unnecessarily requested. Luckily SMK is more simplified as it doesnt have mushrooms on TT. Already MKSC has had to have very specific routes agreed upon and our GP site similarly has many categories. What we have now is good then players can play both hopefully or one of them. By way Johan, NBT has been used since 1993 in Japan even though yeh we didnt know about it since early 2000s. So nothing was ruined then as such. Had we all had the competition globally plus internet as we do today we would have all been doinf NBT from the beginning. Not likely splitting out Non-NBT. We just built such a strong Non-NBT base, but im glad we did. All good things happened in the end

So, youl join the main site and CDM yeh? Karel will bring some final updates soon on the CDM thread. Check there soon! On a lighter note enjoy the snes mini and starfox 2. I only had a quick go on it..

Sami de la SMK wrote on 02/20/18 at 17:54:49:

Seems like my explanation was not as clear as I had hoped

Sami de la SMK wrote on 02/20/18 at 17:54:49:

You're talking about NBT boosts (to cut grass for instance), not just boosts, right?
If so, interesting! Had never heard of it, even in retrospect documents like this.
Where did you get the information?

You were right all along Sami, he's that fish that never bites.  

Fabrice Baro wrote on 02/21/18 at 06:47:38:


Combining would make too much complication, listen to Moll.

Also Johan needs to realise apart from the fastest players a lot of crashes happen with NBTs that go wrong. Sometimes sticking to basic driving at CDM works well. I remember we all had a horrendous time at Mario Circuit 4 TT one try last year for example.

Off road NBTs: Possible, but it would have to be programmed to do something when the kart goes off road. It still gives a burst of speed but the boost has a slightly different behaviour than if it is off road. The game can't programme itself. I would be shocked if the testers thoroughly tested the mini turbo they created but didn't try it off road to see what happens. If you NBT into dark water or off the road (e.g GV or RR) why does it make you fall or crash still? Does the dark water override the NBT programming and the off road (sand, grass etc) doesnt? I am sure it would need to be instructed to do a particular action when you NBT otherwise the game wouldn't know what to do.

Again ive said many times before, MKSC has the same type of setup. They either realised they left a glitch in the system with SMK and decided to "keep it again" for MKSC with off road boosts? Or did they decide to reprogamme it in because it was purposefully added before. Try it youl see.

I am sure in Japan they would have announced it as a major glitch / bug found in the game in 1992 / 1993 but there was never any talk of it from anyone I have asked. They just had their records and got on with it as a strategy. It was a huge topic of discussion when we found it the best part of 10 years later, more for us because we had gotten used to playing the game the same way.

The only other way to ultimately find out is if we can reach out to the programmers themselves and find out if that was intended. If they even remember, they should I think even though it was 26+ years ago, and 17 or so years for Mario Kart Advance / Super Circuit.

Just to add one more thing as a reminder for those that don't know, long boosts with Mushrooms / arrows are also added into MKSC. Another unintended glitch they decided "lets use it again" but programme it in.

I'm still on the fence with this and im sure many of you are too  

Anyway this is the SNES mini topic... lets talk Starfox 2.. did anyone bother playing it for more than 5 minutes?

KVD wrote on 02/21/18 at 08:29:03:



Thanks Karel; There you go Fabrice and Johan... that will do for the time being

I am also seeking opinions in Japan who might be able to reach out to programmers in future. No promises but if i learn any more il let you know. The infinite boost is more glitch like as it is basically an extended NBT that doesn't stop. Like when a PC freezes or something doing an action and you need to force it to stop. In this case press B or crash. If i remember correctly MKSC doesnt have the infinite boost in it, which follows the pattern proving the theory that the rest was programmed in on purpose.

KVD wrote on 02/21/18 at 09:45:38:


Exactly, this has been of absolute benefit to pushing the game and enjoying it through the years.

Indeedement.  

Ok wow. Would be a great moment to introduce new, clearer and most of all better rules yes (like Moll already pointed out, the current ones are problematic).

Next step would also be to get Sami and Alex on board with this.  

KVD wrote on 02/21/18 at 08:29:03:


Thanks Karel, this is very useful. I had read mentions of Olivier's work under the hood of SMK, but from what I remember their conclusion was mentioned as being inconclusive

This and other things make me want more than ever to create a comprehensive SMK encyclopedia with all the tracks & strats (very similar to what Kedjyar has done on his site), glitches, etc. All the info exists of course, but is scattered on this forum, the French forum, and some other sites.

Anyways, it's a big project as well, best form would probably be to use the MediaWiki engine (the one used for Wikipedia). I've also looked at several domain names