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Re: Will SNES Classic times count?
Reply #25 - 08/22/17 at 07:08:52

Chrono Krysster II wrote on 08/21/17 at 23:29:20:

CastletonSnob wrote on 08/01/17 at 09:26:15:

This is going to sound selfish, but I hope not, because that means more people will join the rankings, which means I'll have to work harder to move up the ranks. I've had several weeks where I either stayed at my current rank or moved down the ranks because a new player joined that week. I had to work my ass off to get my current rank.

Look from 4:11 to 4:23 https://youtu.be/Nvg00aOwqxk?t=4m10s

It shows save states? So the SNES mini couldn't be used for the player's site. But then how to prove you are not using an SNES mini???

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Re: Will SNES Classic times count?
Reply #26 - 08/22/17 at 08:10:52

Fabrice Baro wrote on 08/22/17 at 07:08:52:

It shows save states? So the SNES mini couldn't be used for the player's site. But then how to prove you are not using an SNES mini???

I think the resolution and quality of the capture device recording easily shows what is recorded on a SNES and what is recorded on another system.

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Aron Langerak wrote on 08/06/17 at 13:47:24:

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Re: Will SNES Classic times count?
Reply #27 - 08/22/17 at 14:55:16

Fabrice Baro wrote on 08/22/17 at 07:08:52:

Chrono Krysster II wrote on 08/21/17 at 23:29:20:

CastletonSnob wrote on 08/01/17 at 09:26:15:

This is going to sound selfish, but I hope not, because that means more people will join the rankings, which means I'll have to work harder to move up the ranks. I've had several weeks where I either stayed at my current rank or moved down the ranks because a new player joined that week. I had to work my ass off to get my current rank.

Look from 4:11 to 4:23 https://youtu.be/Nvg00aOwqxk?t=4m10s

It shows save states? So the SNES mini couldn't be used for the player's site.

This time it's more than a simple save states feature, it's a gameplay rewind feature Shocked

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we see how the rewind feature works (...) You create a suspend point, select rewind, find the perfect moment, load then try again. Simple. ~eurogamer.net

>> http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-08-22-the-snes-mini-has-a-useful-gamep...

Antistar wrote on 08/22/17 at 08:10:52:

Fabrice Baro wrote on 08/22/17 at 07:08:52:

It shows save states? So the SNES mini couldn't be used for the player's site. But then how to prove you are not using an SNES mini???

I think the resolution and quality of the capture device recording easily shows what is recorded on a SNES and what is recorded on another system.

Yup! But in the case of the SNES mini there are still three problems; 1) people with enough modding knowledge can easily plug the SNES mini by using an original RGB scart cable to an old CRT TV, 2) even without any modding just by using an HDMI to composite/scart converter, 3) or simply by using the official built-in filters of the SNES mini; CRT screen filter, classic 4:3 image filter, Pixel Perfect filter.

tl;dr In other words the SNES Classic mini is the best way ever to cheat with suspend point + save states + 40 seconds rewind feature + all graphics filters (Q: "will SNES Classic times count?" A: I hope not!!! Smiley

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Re: Will SNES Classic times count?
Reply #28 - 08/23/17 at 05:19:21

Chrono Krysster II wrote on 08/22/17 at 14:55:16:

2) even without any modding just by using an HDMI to composite/scart converter

Ha! I have bought such a converter to play my PAL SNES on my NTSC TV: 1) image looks somewhat distorted if I recall correctly and 2) it introduces a sizable lag that makes the game unplayable Sad

I don't know if other converters have the same problem.

Cool for the rewind feature, although like the save state, it kind of spoils the game imho. I suppose it will be enjoyed by casual gamers.

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KVD Titan Offline twitch.tv/smk_machin e 7789 days karting Netherlands Gender:	Re: Will SNES Classic times count? Reply #29 - 08/23/17 at 05:28:45 It's starting to sound like the SNES Mini might be a nightmare instead of a blessing.
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Eric Olden Elite Offline Fire Lord of the Kartel. 3233 days karting Louisiana Gender:	Re: Will SNES Classic times count? Reply #30 - 08/23/17 at 10:59:54 With your top level investigating skills, we should be fine. Anyone that cheats doesn't love the game, they are looking for false adulation. I'd much rather play on an actual console any day.
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wxyz Legend Offline 5481 days karting	Re: Will SNES Classic times count? Reply #31 - 09/29/17 at 15:02:34 Just hooked up my snes mini and gave it a try. It plays very well actually (hooked up to a gaming monitor not a HDTV so almost 0 lag). The controllers feel really nice (though non-nbt, not sure if they could be easily modded). Such a shame there is no online play option.
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Sumner21 Karter Offline I Love Mark 2.0! missed 4884 mts Perth, Australia Gender:	Re: Will SNES Classic times count? Reply #32 - 09/29/17 at 20:05:08 Hey Dave have you tried your normal nbt contoller yet? What are the controller plugs like, Australian advertising shows normal controller ports and claims to come with legitimate retro snes pads too.
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Re: Will SNES Classic times count?
Reply #33 - 09/30/17 at 04:14:23

Sumner21 wrote on 09/29/17 at 20:05:08:

What are the controller plugs like, Australian advertising shows normal controller ports and claims to come with legitimate retro snes pads too.

Same thing in Australia the only change is connector --the same used for the Wii Remote and NES mini-- check the pictures: Here's A Close Look At The PAL SNES Classic @kotaku.com.au

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Sumner21 Karter Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 4884 days karting Perth, Australia Gender:	Re: Will SNES Classic times count? Reply #34 - 09/30/17 at 10:01:00 yeah ok don't think the old pads are going to work then
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wxyz Legend Offline 5481 days karting	Re: Will SNES Classic times count? Reply #35 - 09/30/17 at 11:08:58 the snes mini pads and console is just wii style connectors, the bit at the front that looks like snes ports is just a removable 'fake' face-plate that covers the wii ports.
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Re: Will SNES Classic times count?
Reply #36 - 10/01/17 at 00:13:56

wxyz wrote on 09/29/17 at 15:02:34:

Just hooked up my snes mini and gave it a try. It plays very well actually (hooked up to a gaming monitor not a HDTV so almost 0 lag).

I wish I would give a try to my SNES Mini on that kind of screen. I never had the opportunity to play SMK on a HD screen with zero lag, even if my HDTV is a very correct one for this. Sad

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Aron Langerak wrote on 08/06/17 at 13:47:24:

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Zarkov nice wr Offline The Dominik Diamond of SMK 7475L of clarkjuice Stevenage, UK	Re: Will SNES Classic times count? Reply #37 - 10/01/17 at 08:02:20 I played one track on my HD TV, and it was the best feeling smk I've played on a TV like this. It still doesn't feel 100% perfect, but it isn't far off.
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Re: Will SNES Classic times count?
Reply #38 - 10/01/17 at 09:31:17

Don't forget it's the NTSC 60Hz version, which has always been better than PAL 50Hz on HD screens.

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Aron Langerak wrote on 08/06/17 at 13:47:24:

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Re: Will SNES Classic times count?
Reply #39 - 10/03/17 at 03:28:32

Chrono Krysster II wrote on 06/26/17 at 16:49:17:

And this time we get 2 controllers in the box so I'll keep one as normal and will make the other a controller pro-NBT

Last evening, just after the tartiflette party food, I decided to make Pro-NBT one of my two SNES Mini controllers and here are some pictures to look inside this controller and to say that there is nothing difficult to do, it's the same process than making your controller Pro-NBT on the original SNES; so I removed around 2mm (see last pic' but don't need to remove everything) and just make sure that the top of this little thing is flat, et voilà! Cheesy

But I did it like a savage-- exactly the same way when Alicia requested me to do this the first time ever (about 11 years ago if I remember well) but the result is still nice Grin

Now, I'll keep the other controller as normal for playing all games but maybe SMK too for Non-NBT 'cause I never really liked using Pro-NBT controllers for doing Non-NBT times, and with my SNES Mini pro controller I'll try few things and then show you these things in videos, and finally it'll be all about test and research and not for doing new PRs on the PP-- but expect new strats

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Reply #40 - 10/08/17 at 09:11:52

Hi all, it's so nice to see this community is still here. I once wrote an article for Dutch Nintendo magazine [N]Gamer about it, at least 10 years ago. Nice to see you're still active, KVD.

I started playing a bit again because of the SNES Mini. I was wondering: are the times comparable with the original SMK? (both Pal). I am not really interested in competing, but just want to know if it's ok to assume that the times I drive are ok to compare with the times I see on the rankings here.

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Reply #42 - 10/09/17 at 00:21:04

wxyz wrote on 10/08/17 at 13:33:11:

All snes classic games are ntsc versions, so you would need to compare against the ntsc charts.

Thanks for your response. But I'm still not quite sure. I searched a bit on the interwebs, and some say pal, others say ntsc. Haven't really seen proper evidence though. I think a test by someone here with both the original ntsc and pal versions could clear this up?

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Reply #43 - 10/09/17 at 00:51:59

The PAL version of SMK has never been used for any "emulated reissue", i.e Virtual Console or SNES Classic Mini.

I can confirm we have the NTSC version on the European version of SNES Classic Mini and it's 99,99% sure (and 100% obvious) the same version runs on the Japanese and American editions.

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Aron Langerak wrote on 08/06/17 at 13:47:24:

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JB n00b Offline I Love Mark 2.0! 2653 days karting	Re: Will SNES Classic times count? Reply #44 - 10/09/17 at 02:24:10 Ok. I'm trying to not be annoying here, but I have a suspicion that the times I've driven are too fast for pal, but too slow for ntsc. It might have its own 'time dimension'?
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Re: Will SNES Classic times count?
Reply #45 - 10/09/17 at 02:49:51

Antistar wrote on 10/09/17 at 00:51:59:

The PAL version of SMK has never been used for any "emulated reissue", i.e Virtual Console or SNES Classic Mini.

This is not true. The European release of SMK on Wii VC is PAL. My original PAL timesheet was driven on Wii VC, and if I remember correctly Mick's (PAL) timesheet was also driven on Wii VC, to name a couple.

All "emulated reissues" after Wii VC are NTSC-only though, and include some sort of save state functionality.

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Reply #46 - 10/09/17 at 03:58:52

Ah yes indeed. It's just it used the "extended" screen ratio (actually, the original one from the NTSC versions), which confused me. Sorry.

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Reply #47 - 10/27/17 at 07:56:52

Antistar wrote on 10/09/17 at 00:51:59:

I can confirm we have the NTSC version on the European version of SNES Classic Mini and it's 99,99% sure (and 100% obvious) the same version runs on the Japanese and American editions.

Yup it's NTSC but not exactly the same version everywhere; the European edition of the SNES Classic Mini runs the US NTSC version of SMK, so we (in Europe) have the same rom/version than the American edition of the SNES Classic Mini, but the Japanese version of the SNES Classic Mini (the Super Famicom Mini) runs the Japanese NTSC version of SMK only, with the differences you know like texts, uncensored game, the title screen and its background graphics etc

Some guy playing SMK on the Super Famicom Mini^

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Reply #48 - 02/20/18 at 03:49:20

I'm willing to buy a Super Nintendo Mini for different reasons, one of them being I'd like to try SMK NTSC Time Trial on a real TV with (nearly) original gamepads. And eventually compete if I happen to like it as much as PAL.
So my question is: when playing on Super Nintendo Mini, is there any way to prove that you've not used save-states during your current play? (having read this topic, I must say I've almost no hope but who knows...)

Subsidiary questions: are there adapters that enable me to plug it into the CRT television I use for my PAL Super Nintendo (instead of a recent television)? And if so, will the SMK gameplay experience on Super Nintendo Mini then be 100% faithful to what I'd have with an original NTSC setup? (including notions like lag and so on)

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Reply #49 - 02/20/18 at 08:01:29

Johan wrote on 02/20/18 at 03:49:20:

I'm willing to buy a Super Nintendo Mini for different reasons, one of them being I'd like to try SMK NTSC Time Trial on a real TV with (nearly) original gamepads. And eventually compete if I happen to like it as much as PAL.
So my question is: when playing on Super Nintendo Mini, is there any way to prove that you've not used save-states during your current play? (having read this topic, I must say I've almost no hope but who knows...)

Subsidiary questions: are there adapters that enable me to plug it into the CRT television I use for my PAL Super Nintendo (instead of a recent television)? And if so, will the SMK gameplay experience on Super Nintendo Mini then be 100% faithful to what I'd have with an original NTSC setup? (including notions like lag and so on)

Johan: As discussed above the SNES mini won't be suitable for Time Trial competition but do enjoy for fun and playing the other games plus giving NTSC a test run for your leisure. You will need an NTSC SNES / Super Famicom for Time Trial. The latter will be easier and much cheaper to get hold of. It is possible to even ask FF to kindly switch your PAL one for you.

So the Godfather will "make you an offer you can't refuse" -

1. Join the main site.

2. Attend (and fully compete for all days at) CDM - and either:

- If you dont want to damage your PAL snes, I will bring you an SFC and SMK JP as a gift but you will need to attend to collect it from me.

- Bring your SNES PAL and give to FF for modding to NTSC (I will then bring for you an SFC cartridge, again you need to be there)

Both 1. and 2. need to happen. Problem completely solved, you won't need to mess around with the flat screen, just continue SFC on your CRT TV Cool

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