We have been working behind the scenes for some time now on doing a standards revision. The active players in the Discord channel, to my knowledge, unanimously agree that the standards need to be redone. This is mainly due to the extreme unbalance in difficulty across courses, because many standards are long-outdated due to discovery of new strats, and because many of the sub-God standards do not take into account alternate strats and the like but simply scale down from the God standard. There are also a couple/few typos that have never been fixed.


You can view the new proposed standards here.


The current set is the result after a couple drafts and a few voice calls comparing videos, "field testing" and the like with feedback primarily being from me, Lafungo, Stacy, and Chris. If you think a track/flap should have a different time as God, keep in mind that we are trying to simultaneously balance difficulty with the Gods suggested for the other tracks as well.

If you still feel a time is off, feel free to make your case, but please also defend it; point out where you think it fails matching difficulty, and a video or two to make your point would be great.

We will begin working at this point on the under-God standards. I'm thinking we're close enough to the "right" God times to be able to start work here before a general consensus on the God standards is reached. The new under-God standards will try to take into account the difficulty of strats on courses as well as take into consideration how spread out we expect times to be relative to their objective strength.


I'm hopeful that within a month we'll be able to fully revise and replace the current standards.



Edit on March 9th, 2018: Okay, that may have taken a bit longer than a month. But hopefully it was worth the wait!

Wait, what does it mean by keep the old ones? That sounds kinda interesting in a way

Is there a planned timeline for introducing these new standards to the site?

I'm thinking a button to toggle between the two standards rather than show them both at the same time would be better. Also I'm up for the last round of discussing standards if there is one - currently playing as many as tracks as poss with zzmt so that I'll be more informed

Pretty much. Just a few slight revisions to the Gods but it's mostly just the lower stuff that's causing the holdup at this point. Any help would be appreciated as it seems I've kinda lost sight of what makes sense difficulty wise at the lower tiers...

Alright so I did the E Standards (Myth E down to Beg E) for CL to SW today on the spreadsheet.
I'm doing them quite quickly, but I think they're pretty reasonable. I'll work on more tomorrow.

Furthermore, I've added a small summary of suggestions of alterations for god times beneath the god table on the first tab/sheet. Just so they don't get lost in the discord chat.

Edit: did up to rir flap

Edit2: did up to rbc1 flap

I think I'm going to go look over your work now, Nosey, and make some final tweaks. I finally finished the interpolation thanks to some quick research for a formula, Lafungo implementing it on the Excel file, then being able to drag that around a bit on the Excel file. Still took about an hour to finish, so feels good to be done with that part, lol.

Once we agree once and for all with the current God proposals and the rest of the ___ E standards are checked for reasonableness/strat difficulty consistency, we only have a final step of moving the columns for each course over to rows and saving the file as a .csv and sending it off to Alex!


Everyone, this is your last chance to look over the new standards before they go live!

We are finished with the first 25 tracks. Make sure to look them over and let us know if you think there's any standard that doesn't make sense or doesn't compare well with difficulty to the rest. (We still have rCI1 and afterwards to work on.)

I have e-mailed the file with the new standards to Alex. They should be live on the page very soon now!

Fantastic news! A huge thanks to everyone involved, this has been a long time coming and many people have put in a lot of time towards making these new standards reasonable and fair across the board. It's really satisfying seeing them finally up on the site