All,

Please could you vote regarding this strat used on Choco Island 1 by Julien Holmiere recently.

Please note:   This is just in reference to the wall ride boost, not including the wall jump as that has already been separately discussed.

Thanks,

Sami

It's either we authorize SC + wall bounces (last lap)  or none of them.

For the moment I'm on the fence for this one. For the pipeboosts I was immediately in favour of adding them, no questions asked. This is kinda like a pipeboost, but in exaggerated and extended form (albeit only in 1 location).
I also think there is no ground to prohibit pipeboosts with a 20 vs 5 vote Molly. Just saying.

I'm ok with the CI1 little SC wall jump but I'm not ok with the extended wall ride boost (CI1) AND not ok with any of the other extended wall ride boosts (like MC2 and MC1, and maybe more?), don't allow that, it's too exaggerated hitting wall multiple times in a row, so my reason is for aesthetic purpose.

CI1 little SC wall jump--> please allow in a normal NBT strategy
Extended wall ride boost--> good for the Trick/Glitch/SC category only

^how do you know it's active players voting on this though? afaik anyone on these forums can vote, irrespective of if they play smk or not. Being a member of the players page doesn't necessitate you be a member of this forum either.

Also the 20 vs 5 think may be a little misleading as some people may have voted to allow it just to piss Aron off rather than thinking it should be allowed  

ScouB wrote on 05/15/17 at 12:19:39:


If the wall hits boost are to be forbidden I change my vote for CI1 SC to "against"
One comes with the other.

ScouB wrote on 05/15/17 at 22:26:26:


Julien this is nonsense to me I don't understand your choice now the CI1 SC is just a little shortcut and by doing it we do not ruin the whole track and it's just an advanced strategy, but by doing the wall jump + the extended wall ride boost we completely ruin/skip like half of the track...

I'm not judging anything, I mean you or your strat' because personally I like your extended wall ride boost technic and I think it's very good for GP150cc, also good in TT Trick/Glitch/SC category but seriously too much for the regular TT in NBT, but anyway it's your choice

There is no TT video available yet, but this is how it looks in GP.

I'm just saying we should authorize both or forbid both but not one without the other.

My initial position still is:
Authorize both wall jump and multiple wall hits boost

One thing to consider might be for the single wall boost or pipe boost that can somewhat happen by accident. During racing you may cut too sharp in the corner and jump into it, bouncing round it. DP3 hairpin being an example which reminds of MC4 a little where i think we have done it a lot. If you go too sharp you will get stuck there.

In regards to a pipe boost it could be hit by accident if approaching at that particular angle by mistake and it is just one collision as well.

Whereas CI1 you are more (purposely) forcing the kart to have multiple grinding hits along the length of the wall making the NBT longer than its natural boost length which you would have time to pull away from

Either way both of them are visually still less "normal driving" but i feel they are still slightly different strats, with the extended wall boost leaning more in the trick direction.

So far it appears that the normal wall jump would go in the Non-SC bracket and the extended wall boost will remain as shortcut. We just want to be clear with that and make the best decision regarding the single wall / pipe boosting.

Julien have you tested the multiple wall boost on any other tracks to see if there is time that can be won, has it been done on GP anywhere else? If we do decide to keep that in the trick times then we would need to know if it is possible elsewhere so boards can be built accordingly.

I'd rather allow it, just for the sake of seeing something new and possibly faster times (has this even been confirmed to save time?).  If you allow longboost you should allow this as well.

I've won only about 0"60 with this...
The rest being won with wall jump...

The wall hits is more to be considered as an advanced release gas technique.
Indeed it makes win as much compared to a middle lap than Classic strat.

Classic middle lap 11"1x
Classic last lap 10"5x

SC middle lap 10"7x
SC last lap 10"1x

So it does not ruin the track more than the Classic releasing gas compared to the Classic middle lap...

wxyz wrote on 05/17/17 at 09:13:27:


Scoub, please could you do a write up of this and also let us know if this can be of use on any other tracks? From what I see it probably only gains time for CI1.