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Reply #550 - 04/21/17 at 15:51:03

Diamond wrote on 04/21/17 at 15:32:26:

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TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 14:57:21:

Diamond, why did you wait until Zwiebel already had two votes on him to put your vote down? Is it in your best interest for the day to end early today?

By the time I got back and read through this thread, Zwiebel already had 2 votes on him. And it seems like you are also using me as an excuse to unvote Zwiebel in attempt to help him not get lynched. Is this because he's you're his wolf buddy?

You must be kidding me with this post. All day long you've threatened to vote Zwiebel, with no kind of explanation except for inactivity, but you have constantly withheld your vote for no reason whatsoever. Then finally right when Zwiebel received his second vote, you pop in and put a third vote on him. Do you not know that 4 votes is a majority and would end the day IMMEDIATLY? And now you're even calling me out for removing my vote? Who do you think wants the day to end as early as possible? The villagers who are trying to use every minute to figure out who the wolves are? Or the wolves who want the exact opposite of that? I have no idea how you can make this kind of post from a town mindset.

I'm sorry. I can't help the fact that I actually have a life and can't show up and read all that I missed until Zwiebel already has 2 votes. And I'm not trying to make the day end early. I'm trying to make sure he gets lynched because he's clearly a wolf. And I make this kind of post from a town mindset because you are implying to me that you are defending a clear mafia member a bit.

goddamit do you not realize he only unvoted to prevent the day from ending early? It's obvious we're lynching Zwiebel

...I don't think you're the last wolf tho, you're just stupid

The day wasn't going to end early as long as some idiot didn't put a 4th vote on Zwiebel

Omfg, you even say yourself that you missed the fact that Zwiebel already had 2 votes on him, and now you're even using me unvoting in order to save town from someone else making the EXACT SAME MISTAKE. And can you elaborate on your scumread of Zwiebel. I've said amny times now that the only reasoning you have given to vote Zwiebel is his inactivity? What is the matter? Is he not in your wolfchat anymore to give you more tips on how to play this game? You expect us to just go along with every new thought you have, but you barely ever share your thought process with us. And now even PAF is explaining why I unvoted Zwiebel. Is he in the same boat as me and Zwiebel now too? Is he defending a "clear mafia member" too?

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Reply #551 - 04/21/17 at 16:03:43

I don't know if I can see a team with Zwiebel rn... I definitely don't think Diamond could be anymore.... legitimately no one fits here. I could imagine TvK bussing to look good, but that's all. No one's blatantly said Dan isn't angel, so he's like 100% town rn.

This leaves 2 wolf in

PAF
Diamond
Zwiebel
TvK

If Zwiebel's wolf TvK is the most likely partner and even that's a stretch.

If PAF is wolf Diamond is the most likely partner

If Diamond is wolf PAF is the most likely partner

If TvK is wolf I'm not even sure who's most likely, no one seems to fit there.

I think I might stick with PAF.... no one's showed up with crazy claims that they know innocents or are certain on a wolf, so I think there's a pretty decent chance Zwiebel's fox. The way Diamond's talking rn doesn't look good either, it's gotta be diamond PAF dude.

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P.A.F.625 King Offline ate 3923 donuts Portugal Gender:	Re: Werewolves Game D2 Reply #554 - 04/21/17 at 16:16:26 TYG if you're town then you're an idiot. Zwiebel is like 95% scum now. If he were fox, he wouldn't just not send the damn night action, specially considering how OP the role is. Also, claiming to know innocents would probably lead to modkill... You're the last wolf aren't ya? You're dying either N2 or D3, give up
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Reply #556 - 04/21/17 at 16:36:10

LewisRichards wrote on 04/21/17 at 16:03:43:

I don't know if I can see a team with Zwiebel rn... I definitely don't think Diamond could be anymore.... legitimately no one fits here. I could imagine TvK bussing to look good, but that's all. No one's blatantly said Dan isn't angel, so he's like 100% town rn.

This leaves 2 wolf in

PAF
Diamond
Zwiebel
TvK

If Zwiebel's wolf TvK is the most likely partner and even that's a stretch.

If PAF is wolf Diamond is the most likely partner

If Diamond is wolf PAF is the most likely partner

If TvK is wolf I'm not even sure who's most likely, no one seems to fit there.

I think I might stick with PAF.... no one's showed up with crazy claims that they know innocents or are certain on a wolf, so I think there's a pretty decent chance Zwiebel's fox. The way Diamond's talking rn doesn't look good either, it's gotta be diamond PAF dude.

Well I must say that this a very interesting post. Diamond, whaat do you think of TYG actually trying to take the heat away from Zwiebel by voting PAF?

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Reply #557 - 04/21/17 at 16:43:35

P.A.F.625 wrote on 04/21/17 at 16:16:26:

TYG if you're town then you're an idiot. Zwiebel is like 95% scum now. If he were fox, he wouldn't just not send the damn night action, specially considering how OP the role is. Also, claiming to know innocents would probably lead to modkill...
You're the last wolf aren't ya? You're dying either N2 or D3, give up

Claiming to know innocents isn’t a role claim if you present it right. But no one has been doing work to prove multiple people innocent is what I'm saying. Quite an aggressive post btw, put yourself in my position for one sec, who could Zwiebel's partner possibly be? If I'm town, this is the only post. The risk of solving the game outweighs the risk of a small backlash post.

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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: Werewolves Game D2 Reply #558 - 04/21/17 at 16:44:21 P.A.F.625 wrote on 04/21/17 at 16:18:08: Did TYG even say anything about Zwiebel on D1? Do the work yourself for once instead of riding along wolf
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Reply #560 - 04/21/17 at 16:46:22

LewisRichards wrote on 04/21/17 at 16:43:35:

P.A.F.625 wrote on 04/21/17 at 16:16:26:

TYG if you're town then you're an idiot. Zwiebel is like 95% scum now. If he were fox, he wouldn't just not send the damn night action, specially considering how OP the role is. Also, claiming to know innocents would probably lead to modkill...
You're the last wolf aren't ya? You're dying either N2 or D3, give up

Claiming to know innocents isn’t a role claim if you present it right. But no one has been doing work to prove multiple people innocent is what I'm saying. Quite an aggressive post btw, put yourself in my position for one sec, who could Zwiebel's partner possibly be? If I'm town, this is the only post. The risk of solving the game outweighs the risk of a small backlash post.

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theyounggun Ex Member	Re: Werewolves Game D2 Reply #561 - 04/21/17 at 16:58:46 For whoever the witch is, PAF should look pretty bad to you btw cuz he's obviously not crow and it doesn't look like he's done the work to be fox.
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Reply #562 - 04/21/17 at 17:27:32

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 15:51:03:

Omfg, you even say yourself that you missed the fact that Zwiebel already had 2 votes on him, and now you're even using me unvoting in order to save town from someone else making the EXACT SAME MISTAKE. And can you elaborate on your scumread of Zwiebel. I've said amny times now that the only reasoning you have given to vote Zwiebel is his inactivity? What is the matter? Is he not in your wolfchat anymore to give you more tips on how to play this game? You expect us to just go along with every new thought you have, but you barely ever share your thought process with us. And now even PAF is explaining why I unvoted Zwiebel. Is he in the same boat as me and Zwiebel now too? Is he defending a "clear mafia member" too?

How many times do I have to tell you that it's clear Zwiebel is mafia because of PAF's good point about him. He has to be wolf or fox considering that he didn't send in a night action. He clearly isn't fox because he would have had to have guessed 3 innocents meaning he knows who the wolves are. Don't you think he would be trying to tell us who the wolves are without blatantly saying so? And I am trying to share my thought process with you, it's just that I suck at doing so. And though he is kind of defending you, he's still not on my scum list after his amazing catch on Zwiebel

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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:

Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

JawsTheShark wrote on 10/17/18 at 14:10:09:

Walter is Australian, right?

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Reply #563 - 04/21/17 at 17:36:19

Diamond wrote on 04/21/17 at 17:27:32:

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 15:51:03:

Omfg, you even say yourself that you missed the fact that Zwiebel already had 2 votes on him, and now you're even using me unvoting in order to save town from someone else making the EXACT SAME MISTAKE. And can you elaborate on your scumread of Zwiebel. I've said amny times now that the only reasoning you have given to vote Zwiebel is his inactivity? What is the matter? Is he not in your wolfchat anymore to give you more tips on how to play this game? You expect us to just go along with every new thought you have, but you barely ever share your thought process with us. And now even PAF is explaining why I unvoted Zwiebel. Is he in the same boat as me and Zwiebel now too? Is he defending a "clear mafia member" too?

How many times do I have to tell you that it's clear Zwiebel is mafia because of PAF's good point about him. He has to be wolf or fox considering that he didn't send in a night action. He clearly isn't fox because he would have had to have guessed 3 innocents meaning he knows who the wolves are. Don't you think he would be trying to tell us who the wolves are without blatantly saying so? And I am trying to share my thought process with you, it's just that I suck at doing so. And though he is kind of defending you, he's still not on my scum list after his amazing catch on Zwiebel

I don't think you fully understand the point PAF has made about Zwiebel. Why do you think he either has to be the fox or a wolf?

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Reply #564 - 04/21/17 at 17:37:20

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 16:36:10:

LewisRichards wrote on 04/21/17 at 16:03:43:

I don't know if I can see a team with Zwiebel rn... I definitely don't think Diamond could be anymore.... legitimately no one fits here. I could imagine TvK bussing to look good, but that's all. No one's blatantly said Dan isn't angel, so he's like 100% town rn.

This leaves 2 wolf in

PAF
Diamond
Zwiebel
TvK

If Zwiebel's wolf TvK is the most likely partner and even that's a stretch.

If PAF is wolf Diamond is the most likely partner

If Diamond is wolf PAF is the most likely partner

If TvK is wolf I'm not even sure who's most likely, no one seems to fit there.

I think I might stick with PAF.... no one's showed up with crazy claims that they know innocents or are certain on a wolf, so I think there's a pretty decent chance Zwiebel's fox. The way Diamond's talking rn doesn't look good either, it's gotta be diamond PAF dude.

Well I must say that this a very interesting post. Diamond, whaat do you think of TYG actually trying to take the heat away from Zwiebel by voting PAF?

I don't agree with his decision and he is taking the heat away from Zwiebel, but he doesn't sound scummy. You have by far gotten the most angry at me for me accusing you of being scummy

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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:

Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

JawsTheShark wrote on 10/17/18 at 14:10:09:

Walter is Australian, right?

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Reply #566 - 04/21/17 at 17:46:32

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 17:36:19:

Diamond wrote on 04/21/17 at 17:27:32:

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 15:51:03:

Omfg, you even say yourself that you missed the fact that Zwiebel already had 2 votes on him, and now you're even using me unvoting in order to save town from someone else making the EXACT SAME MISTAKE. And can you elaborate on your scumread of Zwiebel. I've said amny times now that the only reasoning you have given to vote Zwiebel is his inactivity? What is the matter? Is he not in your wolfchat anymore to give you more tips on how to play this game? You expect us to just go along with every new thought you have, but you barely ever share your thought process with us. And now even PAF is explaining why I unvoted Zwiebel. Is he in the same boat as me and Zwiebel now too? Is he defending a "clear mafia member" too?

How many times do I have to tell you that it's clear Zwiebel is mafia because of PAF's good point about him. He has to be wolf or fox considering that he didn't send in a night action. He clearly isn't fox because he would have had to have guessed 3 innocents meaning he knows who the wolves are. Don't you think he would be trying to tell us who the wolves are without blatantly saying so? And I am trying to share my thought process with you, it's just that I suck at doing so. And though he is kind of defending you, he's still not on my scum list after his amazing catch on Zwiebel

I don't think you fully understand the point PAF has made about Zwiebel. Why do you think he either has to be the fox or a wolf?

He can't be a witch because the witch saved a victim n1. He can't be the lady of joy because that's what Isaak was. He can't be the angel because he would have been doing a lot more work to get votes on him d1. He can't be the the schyzophrenic because that's what Alaktorn was. He can't be the crow because the crow gave a vote on Paf. This leaves the fox and the wolf.

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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:

Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

JawsTheShark wrote on 10/17/18 at 14:10:09:

Walter is Australian, right?

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Reply #567 - 04/21/17 at 18:04:08

Diamond wrote on 04/21/17 at 17:46:32:

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 17:36:19:

Diamond wrote on 04/21/17 at 17:27:32:

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 15:51:03:

Omfg, you even say yourself that you missed the fact that Zwiebel already had 2 votes on him, and now you're even using me unvoting in order to save town from someone else making the EXACT SAME MISTAKE. And can you elaborate on your scumread of Zwiebel. I've said amny times now that the only reasoning you have given to vote Zwiebel is his inactivity? What is the matter? Is he not in your wolfchat anymore to give you more tips on how to play this game? You expect us to just go along with every new thought you have, but you barely ever share your thought process with us. And now even PAF is explaining why I unvoted Zwiebel. Is he in the same boat as me and Zwiebel now too? Is he defending a "clear mafia member" too?

How many times do I have to tell you that it's clear Zwiebel is mafia because of PAF's good point about him. He has to be wolf or fox considering that he didn't send in a night action. He clearly isn't fox because he would have had to have guessed 3 innocents meaning he knows who the wolves are. Don't you think he would be trying to tell us who the wolves are without blatantly saying so? And I am trying to share my thought process with you, it's just that I suck at doing so. And though he is kind of defending you, he's still not on my scum list after his amazing catch on Zwiebel

I don't think you fully understand the point PAF has made about Zwiebel. Why do you think he either has to be the fox or a wolf?

He can't be a witch because the witch saved a victim n1. He can't be the lady of joy because that's what Isaak was. He can't be the angel because he would have been doing a lot more work to get votes on him d1. He can't be the the schyzophrenic because that's what Alaktorn was. He can't be the crow because the crow gave a vote on Paf. This leaves the fox and the wolf.

Exactly, so why is your scumread on him based on the fact that he didn't come in here to share his fox report with us when it's pretty obvious that he didn't submit any kind of night action. Also if you think I'm behaving the most scummy, then why is your vote not on me? And why do you think I've tried to argue with you in the first place? Because I want to figure out your alignment and help the villagers win this game! I would rather get angry with the people who have just skimmed over your posts and just thrown you into a camp without asking you any kind of questions to reinforce that read. Which of these two is most likely to come from the villager who wants to genuinely figure out everyone's alignment or from the wolf who already knows and has a hard time to fake their quest to getting to know your alignment?

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Reply #568 - 04/21/17 at 18:24:42

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 18:04:08:

Exactly, so why is your scumread on him based on the fact that he didn't come in here to share his fox report with us when it's pretty obvious that he didn't submit any kind of night action. Also if you think I'm behaving the most scummy, then why is your vote not on me? And why do you think I've tried to argue with you in the first place? Because I want to figure out your alignment and help the villagers win this game! I would rather get angry with the people who have just skimmed over your posts and just thrown you into a camp without asking you any kind of questions to reinforce that read. Which of these two is most likely to come from the villager who wants to genuinely figure out everyone's alignment or from the wolf who already knows and has a hard time to fake their quest to getting to know your alignment?

My vote's not on you because I want to make sure we get the most obvious wolf lynched first. And do you honestly think he'd be stupid enough not to use the OPness of being the fox to his advantage?

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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:

Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

JawsTheShark wrote on 10/17/18 at 14:10:09:

Walter is Australian, right?

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Reply #569 - 04/21/17 at 18:36:05

Diamond wrote on 04/21/17 at 18:24:42:

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 18:04:08:

Exactly, so why is your scumread on him based on the fact that he didn't come in here to share his fox report with us when it's pretty obvious that he didn't submit any kind of night action. Also if you think I'm behaving the most scummy, then why is your vote not on me? And why do you think I've tried to argue with you in the first place? Because I want to figure out your alignment and help the villagers win this game! I would rather get angry with the people who have just skimmed over your posts and just thrown you into a camp without asking you any kind of questions to reinforce that read. Which of these two is most likely to come from the villager who wants to genuinely figure out everyone's alignment or from the wolf who already knows and has a hard time to fake their quest to getting to know your alignment?

My vote's not on you because I want to make sure we get the most obvious wolf lynched first. And do you honestly think he'd be stupid enough not to use the OPness of being the fox to his advantage?

Ummmm if he's busy enough to not post as wolf wouldn't it be possible that he's also busy enough to not do anything as fox?

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Reply #570 - 04/21/17 at 18:36:40

Diamond wrote on 04/21/17 at 18:24:42:

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 18:04:08:

Exactly, so why is your scumread on him based on the fact that he didn't come in here to share his fox report with us when it's pretty obvious that he didn't submit any kind of night action. Also if you think I'm behaving the most scummy, then why is your vote not on me? And why do you think I've tried to argue with you in the first place? Because I want to figure out your alignment and help the villagers win this game! I would rather get angry with the people who have just skimmed over your posts and just thrown you into a camp without asking you any kind of questions to reinforce that read. Which of these two is most likely to come from the villager who wants to genuinely figure out everyone's alignment or from the wolf who already knows and has a hard time to fake their quest to getting to know your alignment?

My vote's not on you because I want to make sure we get the most obvious wolf lynched first. And do you honestly think he'd be stupid enough not to use the OPness of being the fox to his advantage?

That is exactly the thing: we do not know. Zwiebel did NOT use a night action. Even if he was the fox, the question is not whether he's smart enough to use or not use that ability. He simply did NOT use a night action.

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Reply #571 - 04/21/17 at 18:53:45

LewisRichards wrote on 04/21/17 at 18:36:05:

Diamond wrote on 04/21/17 at 18:24:42:

TvK wrote on 04/21/17 at 18:04:08:

Exactly, so why is your scumread on him based on the fact that he didn't come in here to share his fox report with us when it's pretty obvious that he didn't submit any kind of night action. Also if you think I'm behaving the most scummy, then why is your vote not on me? And why do you think I've tried to argue with you in the first place? Because I want to figure out your alignment and help the villagers win this game! I would rather get angry with the people who have just skimmed over your posts and just thrown you into a camp without asking you any kind of questions to reinforce that read. Which of these two is most likely to come from the villager who wants to genuinely figure out everyone's alignment or from the wolf who already knows and has a hard time to fake their quest to getting to know your alignment?

My vote's not on you because I want to make sure we get the most obvious wolf lynched first. And do you honestly think he'd be stupid enough not to use the OPness of being the fox to his advantage?

Ummmm if he's busy enough to not post as wolf wouldn't it be possible that he's also busy enough to not do anything as fox?

He knows he doesn't need to be doing anything as wolf because he knows his buddy is taking care of everything. Whereas do you think he'd be stupid not to do anything as the only op fox?

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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:

Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

JawsTheShark wrote on 10/17/18 at 14:10:09:

Walter is Australian, right?

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Reply #573 - 04/21/17 at 19:18:30

LewisRichards wrote on 04/21/17 at 17:43:33:

TvK you called my post interesting, do you agree with any of it? Who do you think Zwiebel's partner could be if he's wolf?

No, I'm still quite confident that Zwiebel will flip wolf. I just did not yet have you as the biggest candidate to be his partner before you made that post. While you have made sense for the most part of this game, your "interesting" post seemed like an uninspired defence of Zwiebel (who I believe is mafia). I have to admit that I'll have to look further into your interactions with Zwiebel D1.

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Reply #574 - 04/21/17 at 20:15:44

I'm quite disappointed by the level of activity in this day. I also would have really hoped to catch Dan's thoughts on the entire Zwiebel situation and I would have loved to see where his vote would go. Unfortunately, I have to leave now and I won't be back until the day ends, so I'll leave you guys with my vote.

[vote]Zwiebel[/vote]

Note that this puts him at L-1.

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