IsaaK. wrote on 04/18/17 at 12:01:12:Dan I feel like you're acting different from other games I've spectated. We haven't even reached the 2nd page yet you're acting very defensive. I'm not going to put you on a side because it's so early on into the game.
IsaaK. wrote on 04/18/17 at 12:13:22:DansGame wrote on 04/18/17 at 12:11:01:IsaaK, maybe you didn't watch the game where I voted Yoshistar right away in the game and got railroaded all of D1 by Alaktorn for being defensive about it, he was literally 100% convinced that I was mafia - but guess what I was town. And, if you go back to that game, I had an incredible posting volume D1 just trying to defend myself and don't feel like trying to do that again.
I understand, but I've just looked back on the FIRST page of both mafia games and you're a lot more serious this time compared to other times. I'm sure everything will change as the game goes on but it's seems a bit odd to be getting like this so early
I like these 2 posts from Isaac, cause I agree that Dans is playing this early game kinda different to most other games I played with him so far. However:
IsaaK. wrote on 04/18/17 at 12:18:21:DansGame wrote on 04/18/17 at 12:15:05:Well, I am a very moody person, and it really annoys me when people are seemingly serious about accusing me so early on for something so dumb.
Hmmmmmmm I understand
Also where is everyone? We're about 2 hours in yet there's only 1 page of activity.
Backs off immediately, after a not so satisfactory answer? Getting accused is part of the game, may it be a right or wrong accusation. If you say you are moody, then I would rather expect a reaction like the other games, where he tried super hard to defend himself, or aggressive behaviour, however Isaak describes it as "a lot more serious". Would a moody person be a lot more serious, if he thinks he's getting wrongly accused? I'd expect the opposite.
Honestly, to me Dan's behaviour seems pretty aggressive for D1, so I think it's probably genuine, but if I take Isaak's argument then it seems fishy that he's backing off so fast.
And then after that, the typical "omg no activity" post. If you want activity, post more yourself.
ALAKTORN wrote on 04/18/17 at 12:47:40:Town lean Isaak. Not liking PAF/Dan so far. TYG needs to post.
Why? Cause of the first two posts I quoted?
IsaaK. wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:10:29:@TYG: i didn't like the way Dan was acting more defensive than previous starts of a game. That being said ALAK is keen to start on people which is off
Now he says Dan is acting more defensive. Do you mean defensive, more serious, or what now? I think he's definitely not more defensive than the "Yoshistar game".
After that, calls out Alak for starting on people? What do you expect people to do on D1, sit and drink coffee and wait for lynch time? lol
IsaaK. wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:12:30:Diamond wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:03:45:[vote]DansGame[/vote]
? You've literally just turned up, said nothing and voted without reason. Unless you answer I will put pressure on you.
Easy to jump on, tho I agree the vote is pretty terrible. Easy for Wolves to jump onto if they want easy Towncred. Don't think Isaak/Diamond Wolf Team is possible by that interaction.
Diamond wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:24:21:ALAKTORN wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:10:52:@Diamond: Why are you voting Dan?
@Dan: You actually think I’m wolf now despite your “Town FWIW” whatever you said before?
I'm voting Dan because he sounds a little suspicious of being the wolf, and the fact that he wasn't one last time increases his chances of being one this game
Seems kinda clueless Town to me.
ALAKTORN wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:30:32:Diamond wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:24:21:ALAKTORN wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:10:52:@Diamond: Why are you voting Dan?
@Dan: You actually think I’m wolf now despite your “Town FWIW” whatever you said before?
I'm voting Dan because he sounds a little suspicious of being the wolf, and the fact that he wasn't one last time increases his chances of being one this game
Gambler’s Fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacyCan’t tell if this is genuine or wolf!Diamond got coached after his terrible entry post.
I’m claiming IsaaK as Town.
Adamant on IsaaK Town? Why, can you give any more reasons for it?
DansGame wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:32:58:I actually think Diamond is more likely to be inexperienced town. IsaaK strikes me as more wolfish, fine with talking but afraid to push too hard in any one direction yet.
Agree 100%.
IsaaK. wrote on 04/18/17 at 13:43:56:I'm going to turn in now. Will post my reads;
Dan-after his interaction with other people I have a slight town lean
Diamond- still a bit odd. May be inexperienced town
ALAK- neutral. His interaction with PAF is a bit strange, going on still about something unimportant
PAF- see above
TYG- hasn't really posted much. Neutral for now
Night everyone
Not really a lot of reasoning behind any of that, pretty shallow list. Funny that Dan is somehow now "slight Town lean" based on interactions (which ones??).
IsaaK. wrote on 04/19/17 at 10:13:27:TvK wrote on 04/19/17 at 09:40:18:[vote]Unvote[/vote]
Wow, this is going way too fast for my liking.
DansGame wrote on 04/19/17 at 07:57:40:TvK and IsaaK are my biggest scum reads. Zwiebel too for not posting but he seems to show up late every game.
DansGame wrote on 04/19/17 at 08:26:58:Admittedly I don't have a great reason to think PAF is wolf, but he hasn't done anything to make me think he is town either.
Why do you think you haven't been able to convince people to follow you onto IsaaK? And I must agree with PAF on your vote. Even if PAF were your top scumread, don't you think it's incredibly dangerous to just put him at L-1 halfway through the day when not even everyone has come in to the thread? Heck, I would even be happier if you would have just put your vote on me and explained your reasoning behind that instead of voting for the main wagon even when he's not among your top scumreads.
This is coming to me now. Notice how no one is backing you [directed at Dan] up on me? If I were the obvious scum you're portraying me to be, then don't you think others will follow you as you are an experienced player? Not to mention the defensiveness in the first few pages. I can't let my vote go to waste.
[vote]DansGame[/vote]TVK, to answer your question about my reads I think you are my strongest townlean. Because of the way ALAK interacted with Dan I think he's town as well.
Now He's Wolf again? So much that you even vote him, jumping on TvK's reasoning so fast that it seems even more fishy. TvK/Isaac pairing possible, however I don't know if TvK would be as stupid as to make it so obvious.
Allright, this is what I could find about Isaac at my second read, cause he seemed the most wolfish to me after reading through the first time. Other things that I wanna mention:
- Most people accuse Dans of being "too defensive", however I think he's actually just kinda agressive and annoyed, which seems genuine. The fact that Isaac is looking pretty bad to me and is jumping on and off and on to the Dan wagon makes me comfortable with Dan right now. Don't think we should lynch him today.
- As I mentioned in the Isaac part, I think Diamond guy is Noob Town. Don't think he's good to lynch either, he should be easy enough to read in later days.
- I think TYG makes a lot of sense this game, which confuses me cause normally he's all over the place
- I don't agree with most of Alak's leans, but he's all over the place D1 every game so dunno. Can't really give him a lean based off his play so far. At least he's actively posting, but that's never been a problem with him.
- I haven't in depth read all the PAF stuff. Should probably do that now.
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