Mario Kart MB - Main Rankings on the Players' Page

Colvin Ex Member	Main Rankings on the Players' Page 04/16/17 at 08:25:24 Vote & discuss Poll will close on 30th April
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Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page
Reply #1 - 04/16/17 at 08:35:01

Voted Non-SC, this should obviously be the main ranking.

- Non-SC charts are consistent, every track is driven as intended or close to intended by Nin
- Keeps a consistent type of skill level throughout all tracks (glitches can differ on what type of skill level they require)
- Non-SC AF rankings (if active and the main ranking), will show the actual best players on the MKWPP

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Reply #2 - 04/16/17 at 08:36:42

Vega wrote on 04/16/17 at 08:35:01:

Voted Non-SC, this should obviously be the main ranking.

- Non-SC charts are consistent, every track is driven as intended or close to intended by Nin
- Keeps a consistent type of skill level throughout all tracks (glitches can differ on what type of skill level they require)
- Non-SC AF rankings (if active and the main ranking), will show the actual best players on the MKWPP

Plus, every other MK has SC as a separate, inferior ranking.

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Diamond Legend Offline Roasted 2942 Statisticians	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #3 - 04/16/17 at 09:14:24 I think it's pretty obvious almost everyone's going to vote non-sc lol
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Reply #4 - 04/16/17 at 09:16:58

Really the only thing against this change (and what has always stood against it) is that the page has operated with SC as the main ranking for so long that it's too late to make the switch.

However I've always been in support of making NonSC the main ranking, even back to the days of MH's passionate campaigns for it in 2009-10. It would be great to see this page match the rest of the sister sites and move glitches to their own separate ranks. Considering the 8-0 result on the poll so far it seems the present community is mostly on the same page.

Definitely need some discussion from players both old and new before making any drastic changes but I don't see why we can't bring up the debate again a few years out from the last time it was introduced.

Also I'm of course glossing over all of the backend work that Alex and others would have to do to make the change, but first it's important to see the present opinions in the community.

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RosscoXz King Offline I Love Mark 2.0! fell 4905 times for marty	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #5 - 04/16/17 at 09:28:28 I think we should use the mk64 system - both charts somewhat equal but change combined to SC (only tracks with an SC are included in this chart)
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Colvin Ex Member	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #6 - 04/16/17 at 09:33:50 RosscoXz wrote on 04/16/17 at 09:28:28: I think we should use the mk64 system - both charts somewhat equal but change combined to SC (only tracks with an SC are included in this chart) I agree with this
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RosscoXz King Offline I Love Mark 2.0! hit 4905 moles	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #7 - 04/16/17 at 09:37:38 Only problem however would be that there would only be like 10 people with a completed SC time sheet (I think only 11 people have a DKJP glitch time) ...but I suppose we could just use people's best non-sc times if they don't have an sc time for a certain track idk
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Colvin Ex Member	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #8 - 04/16/17 at 09:38:59 RosscoXz wrote on 04/16/17 at 09:37:38: Only problem however would be that there would only be like 10 people with a completed SC time sheet (I think only 11 people have a DKJP glitch time) This is even more proof for having Non-SC as main ranking.
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Vega Legend Offline 4952 sex records In the Time Base of Broadway Gender:	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #9 - 04/16/17 at 09:45:38 Let's say we don't get the Non-SC AF as the main ranking because it would take too much work for Penev/somebody else, we should at least be able to get stats from the Non-SC rankings so we can do news updates on them.
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Reply #10 - 04/16/17 at 10:00:07

RosscoXz wrote on 04/16/17 at 09:37:38:

Only problem however would be that there would only be like 10 people with a completed SC time sheet (I think only 11 people have a DKJP glitch time) Tongue

...but I suppose we could just use people's best non-sc times if they don't have an sc time for a certain track idk

Spiral Cut on rDKJP is a SC/glitch.

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Reply #11 - 04/16/17 at 10:14:36

Vega wrote on 04/16/17 at 10:00:07:

RosscoXz wrote on 04/16/17 at 09:37:38:

Only problem however would be that there would only be like 10 people with a completed SC time sheet (I think only 11 people have a DKJP glitch time) Tongue

...but I suppose we could just use people's best non-sc times if they don't have an sc time for a certain track idk

Spiral Cut on rDKJP is a SC/glitch.

Okay, Sherbet land has 18 3lap glitch times

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Colvin Ex Member	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #12 - 04/16/17 at 10:18:02 RosscoXz wrote on 04/16/17 at 10:14:36: Okay, Sherbet land has 18 3lap glitch times *19. My 2:04.315 is glitch
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Reply #13 - 04/16/17 at 10:22:52

The whole point of time trialing is to play as fast as possible, so let's not make the slower, inferior strats the "main" rankings. Don't get me wrong, since I prefer to play no glitch over glitch, but I shouldn't let that sensibility get in the way of what makes the most sense. Things should stay the way they are, since changing the entire system abruptly would cause more problems than solve.

Also, the point about "playing the game as intended" is kind of ridiculous, since we clearly don't play MKW exactly as Nintendo meant for it to be driven; they intended for karts and bikes to be equal, and they didn't even intend for time trials to be as competitive as we made them, in the first place.

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SNES Ghost Valley 2 - 52.796 (WR)
Mushroom Gorge - 1:41.256 (WR)
Bowser's Castle - 2:09.346 (WR)
Grumble Volcano - 1:51.726 (WR)
Moo Moo Meadows - 1:15.662 (Former WR)
DS Desert Hills - 1:32.451 (Former WR)
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Reply #14 - 04/16/17 at 10:25:09

RosscoXz wrote on 04/16/17 at 09:37:38:

Only problem however would be that there would only be like 10 people with a completed SC time sheet (I think only 11 people have a DKJP glitch time) Tongue

...but I suppose we could just use people's best non-sc times if they don't have an sc time for a certain track idk

Look to MK64 for a comparison here, they just discovered a new strat for CM SC flap and only 8 players have pulled it off in a somewhat clean way. (http://www.mariokart64.com/mk64/course.cgi?c=23).

As Colvin said, courses where only a few players have successfully completed the glitch throw the AF tables completely out of balance and incentivize players who want to move up the ranks to only go for glitch times to fly up the AF charts instead of working on their pure driving skills on nonglitch courses.

(I also wouldn't mind adopting MK64's system of filling in missing times with worst rank + 1 to fill out the AF table, but that's probably a different discussion)

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Reply #16 - 04/16/17 at 10:31:36

Web wrote on 04/16/17 at 10:25:09:

(I also wouldn't mind adopting MK64's system of filling in missing times with worst rank + 1 to fill out the AF table, but that's probably a different discussion)

This is needed. Maybe other players will actually care about flaps if we have this. More than half of the people on the PP have incomplete time sheets due to lack of respect for flaps. Flaps are part of the game, people. You should play them.

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Glitches are gay

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Reply #17 - 04/16/17 at 10:34:02

Web wrote on 04/16/17 at 10:25:09:

RosscoXz wrote on 04/16/17 at 09:37:38:

Only problem however would be that there would only be like 10 people with a completed SC time sheet (I think only 11 people have a DKJP glitch time) Tongue

...but I suppose we could just use people's best non-sc times if they don't have an sc time for a certain track idk

Look to MK64 for a comparison here, they just discovered a new strat for CM SC flap and only 8 players have pulled it off in a somewhat clean way. (http://www.mariokart64.com/mk64/course.cgi?c=23).

As Colvin said, courses where only a few players have successfully completed the glitch throw the AF tables completely out of balance and incentivize players who want to move up the ranks to only go for glitch times to fly up the AF charts instead of working on their pure driving skills on nonglitch courses.

(I also wouldn't mind adopting MK64's system of filling in missing times with worst rank + 1 to fill out the AF table, but that's probably a different discussion)

Best argument for Non-SC Main AF ranking Cool

@Colvin, Aruba once suggested to me to fill in every person's missing times to 99:59.999. This sounds like a decent idea to get everybody on both chart rankings. But I'd rather just have the worst rank +1 thing

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Reply #18 - 04/16/17 at 10:43:05

Vega wrote on 04/16/17 at 10:34:02:

Web wrote on 04/16/17 at 10:25:09:

(I also wouldn't mind adopting MK64's system of filling in missing times with worst rank + 1 to fill out the AF table, but that's probably a different discussion)

Best argument for Non-SC Main AF ranking Cool

@Colvin, Aruba once suggested to me to fill in every person's missing times to 99:59.999. This sounds like a decent idea to get everybody on both chart rankings. But I'd rather just have the worse rank +1 thing

Great! Now we just need to get the ~~losers~~ players with missing time sheets to complete flaps... Smiley

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Reply #19 - 04/16/17 at 10:47:04

Web wrote on 04/16/17 at 10:25:09:

RosscoXz wrote on 04/16/17 at 09:37:38:

Only problem however would be that there would only be like 10 people with a completed SC time sheet (I think only 11 people have a DKJP glitch time) Tongue

...but I suppose we could just use people's best non-sc times if they don't have an sc time for a certain track idk

Look to MK64 for a comparison here, they just discovered a new strat for CM SC flap and only 8 players have pulled it off in a somewhat clean way. (http://www.mariokart64.com/mk64/course.cgi?c=23).

As Colvin said, courses where only a few players have successfully completed the glitch throw the AF tables completely out of balance and incentivize players who want to move up the ranks to only go for glitch times to fly up the AF charts instead of working on their pure driving skills on nonglitch courses.

(I also wouldn't mind adopting MK64's system of filling in missing times with worst rank + 1 to fill out the AF table, but that's probably a different discussion)

This is so true with my rDKJP glitch time

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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:

Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

JawsTheShark wrote on 10/17/18 at 14:10:09:

Walter is Australian, right?

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JawsTheShark Titan Offline Sharkin' (((It))) Up 5950 days karting Isolation	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #20 - 04/16/17 at 10:52:31 I voted no-sc but objectively it should be SHORTCUT. BECAUSE IT IS THE FASTEST. AND glitches are subjective sometimes like BC3 SC. Then again, BC3 SC isn't really crazy shit like going through a wall so I guess I wouldn't consider it a glitch
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Colvin Ex Member	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #21 - 04/16/17 at 10:56:11 Every other MK has non-SC as the main charts. So why not MKWii?
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Vega Legend Offline 4952 holabolas In the Time Base of Broadway Gender:	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #22 - 04/16/17 at 11:00:07 DennisColvin76 wrote on 04/16/17 at 10:56:11: Every other MK has non-SC as the main charts. So why not MKWii?
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Diamond Legend Offline Roasted 2942 Statisticians	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #23 - 04/16/17 at 11:02:13 Who are the 3 people that voted sc?
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Colvin Ex Member	Re: Main Rankings on the Players' Page Reply #24 - 04/16/17 at 11:03:43 Diamond wrote on 04/16/17 at 11:02:13: Who are the 3 people that voted sc? Probably Sam F, Blaze, Master kek (he probably did it for the memes)
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Question: Which should be the main ranking?
SC 13 (28.8%) non-SC 32 (71.1%) Total votes: 45 « Last Modified by: on: 04/16/17 at 08:28:05 »