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Reply #25 - 12/01/17 at 16:09:52
 
I think there's enough support to get the Custom Music rule lifted. The 'allowing Banned players back' was a mess because there simply wasn't enough support. There's a lot of other reasons but it boils down to overall support.

We don't even need to draft any sort of complex bill per say. Just simply remove the rule. We can open a thread for discussion for a period of time. If the thread shows the community wants the rule lifted while behaving in an organized manner, then I can see it definitely proceed to the next step: a Vote.
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Reply #26 - 12/01/17 at 16:43:04
 
Could you add a poll to this thread so we can discuss? I might have Shock or somebody move the discussion elsewhere in the case that it gets too out of hand like our last discussion about unbanning, which I don't think will happen
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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:
Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

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Reply #27 - 12/01/17 at 17:31:15
 
I don’t update MKWii WRs anymore so I wasn’t involved in the decision to add Hibiki’s and Fox’s WRs. However, I probably would have also decided to add these WRs. Hibiki claimed that he didn’t know the rules since there are not rules clearly listed on the WR site. Yes that’s true and I plan to add rules to the site soon (with a Japanese translation). I’m not sure what the details are in Fox’s case but it’s likely an accident, since many players are in a situation where they have mods on for wifi/CTs and turn them off for Nintendo-track TTs. The point of banning custom music/textures is to prevent people from gaining an advantage by modifying the game. Obviously these 2 cases were not trying to do that, so I’m fine to make exceptions.

That being said, there’s no way I support fully unbanning custom music/textures. I am convinced that people could gain advantages from them if they were allowed. The example I used in the past is that the music can be disabled so that you can hear the wheelie sound effect more clearly. When I play LC the chain wheelie in the lap transition is harder for me than the chain before the SC for various reasons. I’m pretty sure that one of those reasons is that the lap transition sound effect makes it harder to hear the wheelie sound effect, which I rely on to time my wheelies. If disabling music increases a player’s chain wheelie success rate by just 1% then that would unacceptable to me. How is that any different than using a cheat code to increase your chain wheelie rate? Modifying the game to gain an advantage should not be allowed. No other kart game would allow something like this, and I can’t think of any other speedrun game that would allow something like this either.

Another thing someone could do is edit the wheelie sound effect itself, to a metronome or consistent beat. I think this would be even more helpful, especially when combined with disabling the track music and lap transition sound effect. I have never tried these types of edits but I plan on trying them eventually and seeing if my chain wheelie rate changes. I’m fairly confident that an advantage can be gained from music hacks, even if it’s very minor.

For textures IMO it’s even more obvious how they can be used as an advantage. As Alex mentioned, you could make texture hacks that make it easier to line up for glitches / difficult strats. Another thing you could do is make certain walls transparent to see the next corner more clearly. Also, a common complaint people have when racing ghosts is that they obstruct their view. With MyStuff edits you could probably make the ghost more transparent and remove the mii name.

I think if custom textures / music weren’t banned, then we would have seen some players coming up with ways to gain minor advantages using them. But since they’ve been banned, no one has had the motivation to explore what these modifications can do. And I think the competition is much better without these modifications in play. It’s not fair to all the people who played vanilla MKWii to get their times defeated by people playing with modifications.

My suggested solution:
Make a rule saying that using custom music/textures to gain an advantage is banned. This would cover things like using alignment textures, disabling the sound for chains, etc.

Normal/accidental use would be “soft-banned”. This would cover things like using your favourite song as the track BGM, playing on the no-sound-triggers track, having minor texture edits, etc.
Basically a “soft-ban” would mean that updaters can make exceptions but encourage players to not use any modifications. If someone sets a WR with mods, updaters can decide to count it or not. If it’s clear that the mods used could give an advantage, then the first rule will cover it and the time shouldn’t count. Also, if someone repeatedly uses modifications the updaters can just decide not to count their time (since that would also mean their ghosts aren’t being uploaded to CTGP).

Basically, I think it’s wrong not to count a WR if it just has a minor modification that clearly doesn’t give an advantage. But I still think we should have some form of ban, to prevent people from trying to gain advantages using game mods.

After we discuss this issue we should discuss the rest of the rules and add them to MKWRs. And yes, I agree we should have a standardized set of rules across PP/Top 10/MKWRs/CTGP.
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Reply #28 - 12/01/17 at 21:15:57
 
Hey Cole.

Say "Hi" to me.

Do it for Evul!
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Reply #29 - 12/01/17 at 21:29:47
 
JawsTheShark wrote on 12/01/17 at 21:15:57:
Hey Cole.

Say "Hi" to me.

Do it for Evul!

Whens reviving Evul by bringing back Brendan, NMeade, Shaun and Jacob to make it the best clan again
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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:
Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

JawsTheShark wrote on 10/17/18 at 14:10:09:
Walter is Australian, right?
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Reply #30 - 12/02/17 at 06:47:15
 
http://www.mariokart64.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1512225933

Need as much feedback as possible. Let's take our time and not rush this. Don't want any mistakes if new rules are added.
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Reply #31 - 12/02/17 at 08:24:19
 
Diamond wrote on 12/01/17 at 21:29:47:
JawsTheShark wrote on 12/01/17 at 21:15:57:
Hey Cole.

Say "Hi" to me.

Do it for Evul!

Whens reviving Evul by bringing back Brendan, NMeade, Shaun and Jacob to make it the best clan again


You forgot me.

That'll happen if a Mario Kart game comes out that is as/almost as good as Mario Kart Wii to attract all of us again.

But time will tell!
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Reply #32 - 12/02/17 at 15:55:58
 
JawsTheShark wrote on 12/01/17 at 21:15:57:
Hey Cole.

Say "Hi" to me.

Do it for Evul!

Hi >=D
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Reply #33 - 12/02/17 at 21:01:46
 
(Sorry, this msg is handicapped. It was probably crap, anyway.)
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Reply #34 - 05/14/18 at 08:34:59
 
^He didn't have to answer you with words, he answered you with laps  Lips Sealed  Grin

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Reply #35 - 03/12/19 at 12:34:13
 
Vega wrote on 03/23/17 at 06:45:21:
Banned Players (unofficial)

NOTE: This list has not been passed by the community to be the Official Ban list of the MKWPP. I've compiled this list over time since 2013. This is merely for reference.

https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/jp.pngMander (mandermka) - Reason: Live Replay, Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/at.pngWalter (Black, Blackboi, MKWiiRec, TheMKWChamp, Guggi, Yuka4Life, Mia) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/pr.pngJorge (MARIO) - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/gb.pngJay (God, Jay Batten) - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo, Confessed
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/ie.pngDaniel - Reason: Live Replay, Confession
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/no.pngBarney - Reason: Live Replay, Confession
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/de.pngF1nn (Artur Baur) - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo, Confession
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/de.pngDused - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/fr.pngNooboss (Matthieu) - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/us.pngAndy, not the Andy currently in rMC3 Tops (Andrew Tran, KiraYamatoGXX) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/es.pngPaco (King Paco, Paco Gaita) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/us.pngMalleo - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/mx.pngBechito - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/es.pngFapencio (Fappy, PekeLexi, Alex, MTAlexMKWii) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/us.pngRaiga - Reason: Live Replay, Confession
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/es.pngShanan - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/de.pngBryce (not the Bryce from USA) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/gb.pngCasey-B (127mk7 from Japan; Sanma San imposter) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/ca.pngShwam (Tyler, Poptarts) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/fr.pngVictor (The4Victor) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/dk.pngPatrick (Aaron) - Reason: Confession
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/de.pngNeo (Not the Neos that is known for his rDKJP talent) - Reason: Speed Hack, Video Manipulation
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/ie.pngKevin (Indiana from Australia) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/mx.pngDashii - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/de.pngHuppi (Crank) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/us.pngMarioFan - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/us.pngDavid (David Batke) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/au.pngIgnite - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/fi.pngLumina - Reason: Confession
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/jp.pngLuvier - Reason: Confession
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/no.pngYoshiKecleon978 - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo, Confession
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/de.pngSun - Reason: Live Replay, Confession
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/fr.pngSilver (not the Silver from USA) - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/fr.pngAcid - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/de.pngRocky (Rocky1337mk) - Reason: Rapid Fire/Slow Mo, Video Manipulation
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/jp.pngkel - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/ca.pngJoel (Ghetto, Seek) - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/de.pngRyuga - Reason: Live Replay, Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/gr.pngRelax - Reason: Live Replay
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/us.pngJimmey - Reason: Live Replay, Rapid Fire/Slow Mo
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/us.pngJesse - Reason: Live Replay; Rapid Fire/Slow Mo

Frozen/Pending Players

https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/es.pngSerxiow - Reason: Evidence supporting use of Slow Mo, refuses to prove legitmacy
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/jp.pngTeremi - Reason: See note below*
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/us.pngBailey - Reason: False Time Submissions (sent Dolphin-made times as legit times)
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/au.pngDesire - Reason: False Time Submissions
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/de.pngkm/h (Qatar 22, Qataar) - Reason: Many former WW tops, unknown player. Not enough TT history
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/ch.pngSwikan - Reason: Achieved two former WW tops, with very little track history
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/us.pngPieboy - Reason: False Time Submissions
https://mkwii.org/pics/flags/fr.pngShayna (Dimitori Sensei) Reason: Originally banned from Wiimmfi League for "TAS-ing". Yet, no actual evidence that he has TASed. Former links to 'proof' are no longer working.

**Teremi posted a "WR" vid of CM on March 19th, 2014. He claimed it was WR, then almost 2 weeks later, April 1st came along. He then randomly changed the title by taking out the [WR] and adding [TAS], (claiming it was an April Fool's joke). It's obvious he tried passing off that time as legit then tried using April Fool's as an excuse when he couldn't commit with his decision. There is no actual proof that he intended to post a cheated time as a legitimate time, only reasonable articulate suspicion, so he's put on the Pending list instead of the Banned list.



I don't see my name on here

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Reply #36 - 03/12/19 at 12:36:42
 
D.Used and Bechito cheated, what the fuck !
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Reply #37 - 03/12/19 at 12:43:10
 
DennisColvin76 wrote on 03/12/19 at 12:34:13:
I don't see my name on here


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Reply #38 - 03/12/19 at 14:54:38
 
You read it here guys: Jorge is BANNED
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Ketchup wrote on 07/08/21 at 07:33:13:
if you anonymize the names of mkw predators eventually the whole leaderboard will be anonymous


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mkdd gayass mf game, y'all tried playing bitches?
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Reply #39 - 03/12/19 at 15:08:31
 
It’s so cringe that Colvin thinks this makes him cool. What a sad life.
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Reply #40 - 03/12/19 at 15:41:48
 
RosscoXz wrote on 03/12/19 at 15:08:31:
It’s so cringe that Colvin thinks this makes him cool. What a sad life.

Imagine thinking pointing out a missing banned player is trying to "be cool" or something  Smiley

you should reread my quote again so that hopefully you understand the second time
DennisColvin76 wrote on 03/12/19 at 12:34:13:
I don't see my name on here


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Reply #41 - 03/12/19 at 15:44:58
 
DennisColvin76 wrote on 03/12/19 at 15:41:48:
RosscoXz wrote on 03/12/19 at 15:08:31:
It’s so cringe that Colvin thinks this makes him cool. What a sad life.

Imagine thinking pointing out a missing banned player is trying to "be cool" or something  Smiley


I’m not just referring to that, although that’s clear attention seeking, the fact that you are still uploading times with ‘7 ww’ in the description and you aren’t showing a single inch of sorrow is what I’m more referring to. Stick to bragging about how much you can lift you pathetic pos.
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Reply #42 - 03/12/19 at 16:05:54
 
Wheres zomothy at on that list
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Hugo wrote on 07/31/17 at 15:13:47:
Well, it would be like rolling a die and it landing tails every time. After every roll the chance of it being tails becomes less and less, because eventually it will land on heads.

JawsTheShark wrote on 10/17/18 at 14:10:09:
Walter is Australian, right?
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Reply #43 - 03/12/19 at 16:18:05
 
Could someone please give me the quote code for Rusty's post in the locked thread so I can sig it?
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Ketchup wrote on 07/08/21 at 07:33:13:
if you anonymize the names of mkw predators eventually the whole leaderboard will be anonymous


Puddings wrote on 03/11/23 at 19:31:52:
mkdd gayass mf game, y'all tried playing bitches?
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Reply #44 - 03/12/19 at 16:39:09
 
InnovΔ wrote on 03/12/19 at 16:18:05:
Could someone please give me the quote code for Rusty's post in the locked thread so I can sig it?


Here;

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If you had just fapped instead of playing mkw none of this would have happened
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Reply #45 - 03/12/19 at 19:55:16
 
Colvin getting banned knocked Shaun Tanney out of the top 10 Smiley
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how do you get WR but bypass the top tens

Arvo57 wrote on 02/10/19 at 11:35:14:
PP can do whatever the fuck they want, I and nobody else can really change that

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Reply #46 - 03/13/19 at 06:19:58
 
Wait, wouldn't it be the other way sround?
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Reply #47 - 03/13/19 at 06:22:06
 
PaulM78 wrote on 03/13/19 at 06:19:58:
Wait, wouldn't it be the other way sround?


I guess Shaun had Colvin beat on most tracks therefore gaining little AF where as the players just behind him gained a lot more AF.
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Reply #48 - 05/15/20 at 07:30:52
 
Added Zeke L to the pending list for making up and submitting glitch times. The pending list seemed to fit his case more looking at the other people on there, if he actually wants to play again with CTGP, I guess he can redeem himself. (Assuming the pending system works the same way as on MKwrs)

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Reply #49 - 05/15/20 at 07:47:01
 
Arvo57 wrote on 05/15/20 at 07:30:52:
Added Zeke L to the pending list for making up and submitting glitch times. The pending list seemed to fit his case more looking at the other people on there, if he actually wants to play again with CTGP, I guess he can redeem himself. (Assuming the pending system works the same way as on MKwrs)

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I think that’s the best decision. He lied about a couple of times, so we have no way of knowing any of his other times are legit. I mean, idk why you’d lie about a 2:05 on rSL glitch Smiley
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So instead of acting like a coward saying bla bla it's impossible, you better play if you want to beat me instead of that kiddy mentality.
And to those guys, you have to find another way to beat me, I don't need to fake to crush you. Wink


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