I think there's enough support to get the Custom Music rule lifted. The 'allowing Banned players back' was a mess because there simply wasn't enough support. There's a lot of other reasons but it boils down to overall support.

We don't even need to draft any sort of complex bill per say. Just simply remove the rule. We can open a thread for discussion for a period of time. If the thread shows the community wants the rule lifted while behaving in an organized manner, then I can see it definitely proceed to the next step: a Vote.

I don’t update MKWii WRs anymore so I wasn’t involved in the decision to add Hibiki’s and Fox’s WRs. However, I probably would have also decided to add these WRs. Hibiki claimed that he didn’t know the rules since there are not rules clearly listed on the WR site. Yes that’s true and I plan to add rules to the site soon (with a Japanese translation). I’m not sure what the details are in Fox’s case but it’s likely an accident, since many players are in a situation where they have mods on for wifi/CTs and turn them off for Nintendo-track TTs. The point of banning custom music/textures is to prevent people from gaining an advantage by modifying the game. Obviously these 2 cases were not trying to do that, so I’m fine to make exceptions.

That being said, there’s no way I support fully unbanning custom music/textures. I am convinced that people could gain advantages from them if they were allowed. The example I used in the past is that the music can be disabled so that you can hear the wheelie sound effect more clearly. When I play LC the chain wheelie in the lap transition is harder for me than the chain before the SC for various reasons. I’m pretty sure that one of those reasons is that the lap transition sound effect makes it harder to hear the wheelie sound effect, which I rely on to time my wheelies. If disabling music increases a player’s chain wheelie success rate by just 1% then that would unacceptable to me. How is that any different than using a cheat code to increase your chain wheelie rate? Modifying the game to gain an advantage should not be allowed. No other kart game would allow something like this, and I can’t think of any other speedrun game that would allow something like this either.

Another thing someone could do is edit the wheelie sound effect itself, to a metronome or consistent beat. I think this would be even more helpful, especially when combined with disabling the track music and lap transition sound effect. I have never tried these types of edits but I plan on trying them eventually and seeing if my chain wheelie rate changes. I’m fairly confident that an advantage can be gained from music hacks, even if it’s very minor.

For textures IMO it’s even more obvious how they can be used as an advantage. As Alex mentioned, you could make texture hacks that make it easier to line up for glitches / difficult strats. Another thing you could do is make certain walls transparent to see the next corner more clearly. Also, a common complaint people have when racing ghosts is that they obstruct their view. With MyStuff edits you could probably make the ghost more transparent and remove the mii name.

I think if custom textures / music weren’t banned, then we would have seen some players coming up with ways to gain minor advantages using them. But since they’ve been banned, no one has had the motivation to explore what these modifications can do. And I think the competition is much better without these modifications in play. It’s not fair to all the people who played vanilla MKWii to get their times defeated by people playing with modifications.

My suggested solution:
Make a rule saying that using custom music/textures to gain an advantage is banned. This would cover things like using alignment textures, disabling the sound for chains, etc.

Normal/accidental use would be “soft-banned”. This would cover things like using your favourite song as the track BGM, playing on the no-sound-triggers track, having minor texture edits, etc.
Basically a “soft-ban” would mean that updaters can make exceptions but encourage players to not use any modifications. If someone sets a WR with mods, updaters can decide to count it or not. If it’s clear that the mods used could give an advantage, then the first rule will cover it and the time shouldn’t count. Also, if someone repeatedly uses modifications the updaters can just decide not to count their time (since that would also mean their ghosts aren’t being uploaded to CTGP).

Basically, I think it’s wrong not to count a WR if it just has a minor modification that clearly doesn’t give an advantage. But I still think we should have some form of ban, to prevent people from trying to gain advantages using game mods.

After we discuss this issue we should discuss the rest of the rules and add them to MKWRs. And yes, I agree we should have a standardized set of rules across PP/Top 10/MKWRs/CTGP.

JawsTheShark wrote on 12/01/17 at 21:15:57:

Whens reviving Evul by bringing back Brendan, NMeade, Shaun and Jacob to make it the best clan again

Diamond wrote on 12/01/17 at 21:29:47:


You forgot me.

That'll happen if a Mario Kart game comes out that is as/almost as good as Mario Kart Wii to attract all of us again.

But time will tell!

(Sorry, this msg is handicapped. It was probably crap, anyway.)

Vega wrote on 03/23/17 at 06:45:21:



I don't see my name on here

DennisColvin76 wrote on 03/12/19 at 12:34:13:


Fixed.

It’s so cringe that Colvin thinks this makes him cool. What a sad life.

DennisColvin76 wrote on 03/12/19 at 15:41:48:


I’m not just referring to that, although that’s clear attention seeking, the fact that you are still uploading times with ‘7 ww’ in the description and you aren’t showing a single inch of sorrow is what I’m more referring to. Stick to bragging about how much you can lift you pathetic pos.

Could someone please give me the quote code for Rusty's post in the locked thread so I can sig it?

Colvin getting banned knocked Shaun Tanney out of the top 10

PaulM78 wrote on 03/13/19 at 06:19:58:


I guess Shaun had Colvin beat on most tracks therefore gaining little AF where as the players just behind him gained a lot more AF.

Arvo57 wrote on 05/15/20 at 07:30:52:


I think that’s the best decision. He lied about a couple of times, so we have no way of knowing any of his other times are legit. I mean, idk why you’d lie about a 2:05 on rSL glitch