Sami de la SMK wrote on 07/20/17 at 01:25:50:

Please allow all of this asap, my AF's too close from Karel's as long as the pipeboost PRs are not on the charts, and I don't want to feel the need to pass him before CDM.

On GVs they serve as track lining, demarcating corners. On the VLs they are obstacles that need to be dodged.

Sami de la SMK wrote on 07/20/17 at 01:25:50:


I still think a discussion should take place at CDM before the official decision is made. My guess is that this exact conclusion will probably happen.

IMO, the pipe boosts should be allowed as an extension of NBT, as should the CI1 wall ride. I think this is just part of the evolution of NBT and is a further optimization of the game's intended (or not so intended) mechanics. I argue against the wall hop because that eliminates an obvious obstacle in the course that was CLEARLY intended. The ambiguity after all these years of off-road boosting makes it allowable on the TT site.

Again, on VL the cubes are obviously intended as obstacles as you make your way through the course. Rather than making a specific yes or no decision for every individual icecube (and having to communicate all of the decisions over and over again to new karters appearing in the SMK player base), it's much more clear cut to allow all of it.
On GVs the tiles are deliniating the corners moreso than being obstacles that you can circumvent to the left or right.

In short, it feels much more natural to break a few ice cubes (which is something that will happen anyway unless you are a god / Neo), than purposedly cleaning the entire track lining on a GV. I guess you need to have a feeling for the game to understand.

The block breaking is not even up for debate at all though, that was an overpowering majority decision made well over a decade ago.

And yes, that's allowed Sumner.

Sumner21 wrote on 07/20/17 at 23:25:13:


Well for the trick / glitch charts you can do the Scooby bounces and GV non border lap driving if you want, but we didn't want to make so many categories to overcomplicate things. Im not sure if a ridiculous amount of players will play GV1 no border lap jumping. If it is very popular we can add another board for that to the trick / glitch section in future. But i think players like to drive as sharp as they can to the corners and compare times that way.

Alex has changed the name on the CI1 trick / glitch chart, so I am ready to start moving things over. The existing CI1 wall jump PRs will be simply moved into the main charts except for Scoub's as they are with the wall ride boost. They wont be listed as PRs though for the news update, but the ranking will be updated in line with that move.

Scoub / anyone else who has done them (Christian Wild?):   Please could you resend any times you have done with wall boosts / pipe boosts to yahoogroups then i will collect them for the following update.

What's the CI1 flap WR on NTSC with this new strat? Should I consider myself a former CI1 flap WR holder since I had it in the past but it was ruled out?

Chris only did an accidental (I thinl) MC3 flap on NTSC with it, 16"61 iirc.
And I'm pretty sure Guillaume did the CI1 wallhop strat without wallrides on both system and now that I think about it Neo might have as well?

Sami de la SMK wrote on 07/21/17 at 08:48:09:


All my mc3/4 were already posted on yahoogroups a while ago...

and are on this forum and on the ffsmk forum as well.
http://www.ffsmk.org/forum/index.php?topic=2140.msg187239#msg187239
http://www.ffsmk.org/forum/index.php?topic=4118.1980

I do not have simple wall hop PRs for CI1, but I keep thinking it's a shame allowing wall hops and not extended wall boost.

ScouB wrote on 07/22/17 at 00:18:30:


Ok you can add to this list a 10"49* PAL flap to CI1   (done after two 10"51)

ScouB wrote on 07/23/17 at 00:48:05:


And a 5-laps of 54"30* (can beat my wallride time without it ..)

1'27"52 and 16"89* on MC3  

EDIT : 16"86*